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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 28, 2024 23:27:12 GMT -8
Said it all year, when Pope, Tyler and Rataj play well we can beat anyone. When those big 3 don’t we lose. This ain’t meatloaf, 2 out of 3 won’t cut it. Mike got in foul trouble early and never got on track. The KC and Chol thing is a problem, Ndong hurt, Marrs not a 5…….there’s no 200 LB 19 yr old kid in the country that can guard Dante We have no point guard, no dribble penetration, no drive and dish for easy ones. No spot up 3 sniper. (Although Tyler is close) It’s crazy we have the island of misfit toys on this roster. Some good pieces but the pieces don’t fit together. Pope not a PG forced to play PG: great player Tyler great scorer, solid guy gaining offensive consistency: good player Rataj sometimes he looks like a pac 12 HM player sometimes it’s forgettable : good player just doesn’t show up sometimes Craig would play so much more if he could defend Stevens and Rochelin were on the court all night and did nothing of note KC, Chol and dex all have these moments where you’re like “there it is” and it lasts about 3 minutes. Ndong seems like Rataj 2.0, Marrs can’t get in the game because he’s not big enough to play 5 and they can’t really give him Mike or Tyler’s minutes I wish lake was a better defender because the kid is a good offensive player. I'll have to watch Lake better I guess. He slaughters everyone else on the team on steals and DBPM along with BPM (not that I completely understand the advanced stats that well). I've thought he could be our most defensively disruptive player. Add to that, he's got good rebounding stats for a guard. Maybe I'm missing something. I was thinking he could potentially play the 1 and Pope could be the 2 next season (should Pope remain) . |
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 29, 2024 0:11:27 GMT -8
I'll say that as fans is very VERY, difficult to judge most of this roster. There is no offensive scheme that 5th graders don't run better. I don't think it's a complete roster, but I think it's better than a 12th place group.
Tonight was the perfect example of the lack of an inside game. Post play or the ability to drive, drive/draw/dish. The foul shots were simply a result of one team getting to the paint, pressuring the defense. And, OSU isn't very good individual defenders anyway.
OSU simply dribbles, stands, settles for jump shots far far too often. They were shooting above 60% in the 1st half and were still behind. As will be the case most of the time, jump shooting teams will eventually tail off.
It has little to do with "age". Our sophs have played as much or more minutes than a ton of Jrs. Combo of a unbalanced roster and just horrendously inconsistent offensive scheme doesn't bode well. The last 3 seasons have shown WT can't adapt to the talent/skill sets of his rosters. Combine that with recruiting results that are lacking... well, I'm just not sure how people thought a top 6 Pac12 finish was possible?!
I've got no idea how they'll pay vs the Mtn schools, but unfortunately those two teams have something to play for.
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Post by ag87 on Feb 29, 2024 3:32:48 GMT -8
Said it all year, when Pope, Tyler and Rataj play well we can beat anyone. When those big 3 don’t we lose. This ain’t meatloaf, 2 out of 3 won’t cut it. Mike got in foul trouble early and never got on track. The KC and Chol thing is a problem, Ndong hurt, Marrs not a 5…….there’s no 200 LB 19 yr old kid in the country that can guard Dante We have no point guard, no dribble penetration, no drive and dish for easy ones. No spot up 3 sniper. (Although Tyler is close) It’s crazy we have the island of misfit toys on this roster. Some good pieces but the pieces don’t fit together. Pope not a PG forced to play PG: great player Tyler great scorer, solid guy gaining offensive consistency: good player Rataj sometimes he looks like a pac 12 HM player sometimes it’s forgettable : good player just doesn’t show up sometimes Craig would play so much more if he could defend Stevens and Rochelin were on the court all night and did nothing of note KC, Chol and dex all have these moments where you’re like “there it is” and it lasts about 3 minutes. Ndong seems like Rataj 2.0, Marrs can’t get in the game because he’s not big enough to play 5 and they can’t really give him Mike or Tyler’s minutes I wish lake was a better defender because the kid is a good offensive player. I appreciate the insight and opinion. In season, does GavMar only do basketball or are they finding some time for resistence training and core exercises? |
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Post by helpyhelperton on Feb 29, 2024 4:56:26 GMT -8
Pope gave up. No sense of urgency. Can you blame him? With a fanbase like we have, I'll be surprised if he doesn't hit the portal before he hits the showers next Thursday. Hey Lavatory- look in the mirror bud. It’s fans like you that accept subpar performance from the program and then blame the fanbase for it that are the problem. |
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Post by takethatbeav on Feb 29, 2024 5:37:36 GMT -8
The start of the season killed this team. You have a front loaded schedule with easy teams at home, you win all the games but half of them went in to OT and most were 5 points or less. Craig, Lake, Marrs, Ndong all suffered big time from the upperclassmen not being able to put anyone away, now it’s coming back to bite us in the butt. I don’t understand the Rochelin, wright and Stevens minutes at all 23 minutes of literally 0 0 0 0 0 0 of anything. Just awful. What upperclassmen? OSU has exactly 3 upperclassmen on the roster right now. Akanno(Sr), Marial(Sr) and Wright(Jr). Every other player is a Freshman or Sophomore. Sorry should have said “the guys that got all the minutes last year, couldn’t put away multi directional schools this year” so that these freshmen could have some of the same opportunities to play. |
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Post by takethatbeav on Feb 29, 2024 5:45:31 GMT -8
The start of the season killed this team. You have a front loaded schedule with easy teams at home, you win all the games but half of them went in to OT and most were 5 points or less. Craig, Lake, Marrs, Ndong all suffered big time from the upperclassmen not being able to put anyone away, now it’s coming back to bite us in the butt. I don’t understand the Rochelin, wright and Stevens minutes at all 23 minutes of literally 0 0 0 0 0 0 of anything. Just awful. Rochelin plays very aggressive on D. He is in the right spot and keep his hands moving. Good nose for defense. Wright is a very good ball handler and passer, just not a big enough scoring threat to score to draw doubles and create mismatches. If Rochelin and Wright could have a kid with each of their best traits, you'd have something. I don't get Stevens playing pretty much ever. It would be nice to have a backup that could do something, anything in that spot. Instead, we get Stevens.......Like a much less-talented Hollins. Christian wright is not a pac 12 guard, Jaden Stevens is not a pac 12 SF, Justin Rochelin is an athletic as heck kid who is the son of a very good basketball player……and he puzzles me the most because he’s athletic but never makes plays….. like he appears to be moving quickly and hustling, but nothing ever results from it. I just don’t understand what these guys are providing that couldn’t be provided by Lake, Marrs, Craig (3 guys with way more upside than the aforementioned) |
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Post by takethatbeav on Feb 29, 2024 6:09:16 GMT -8
I'll say that as fans is very VERY, difficult to judge most of this roster. There is no offensive scheme that 5th graders don't run better. I don't think it's a complete roster, but I think it's better than a 12th place group. Tonight was the perfect example of the lack of an inside game. Post play or the ability to drive, drive/draw/dish. The foul shots were simply a result of one team getting to the paint, pressuring the defense. And, OSU isn't very good individual defenders anyway. OSU simply dribbles, stands, settles for jump shots far far too often. They were shooting above 60% in the 1st half and were still behind. As will be the case most of the time, jump shooting teams will eventually tail off. It has little to do with "age". Our sophs have played as much or more minutes than a ton of Jrs. Combo of an unbalanced roster and just horrendously inconsistent offensive scheme doesn't bode well. The last 3 seasons have shown WT can't adapt to the talent/skill sets of his rosters. Combine that with recruiting results that are lacking... well, I'm just not sure how people thought a top 6 Pac12 finish was possible?! I've got no idea how they'll pay vs the Mtn schools, but unfortunately those two teams have something to play for. I agree man I think we have enough scoring power with jordan, Mike and Tyler…….. we simply have no offense sets…. Our roster has plenty of game minutes on it where we should not blame being young. I will say the NCAA is still so screwed up from the Covid seasons that there are a lot of players that normally 19 and 20-year-old kids would have never had to play against still roaming around the League. Like Couisnard last night, played very smart old man basketball he knew he could dribble penetrate and get fouled and he went to that well and dipped a full bucket out time after time. The big 25-year-old dude from California that killed us inside and hit three-pointers and I don’t even even remember his name right now and I’m not gonna go look it up. Half the points from Utah are coming from guys that have wives and kids at home.. And I will agree very strongly with you that we do not have a team of individual defenders. We have a few guys here and there that can guard one on one but that’s definitely the exception not not the rule. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Feb 29, 2024 6:17:25 GMT -8
I'll say that as fans is very VERY, difficult to judge most of this roster. There is no offensive scheme that 5th graders don't run better. I don't think it's a complete roster, but I think it's better than a 12th place group. Tonight was the perfect example of the lack of an inside game. Post play or the ability to drive, drive/draw/dish. The foul shots were simply a result of one team getting to the paint, pressuring the defense. And, OSU isn't very good individual defenders anyway. OSU simply dribbles, stands, settles for jump shots far far too often. They were shooting above 60% in the 1st half and were still behind. As will be the case most of the time, jump shooting teams will eventually tail off. It has little to do with "age". Our sophs have played as much or more minutes than a ton of Jrs. Combo of an unbalanced roster and just horrendously inconsistent offensive scheme doesn't bode well. The last 3 seasons have shown WT can't adapt to the talent/skill sets of his rosters. Combine that with recruiting results that are lacking... well, I'm just not sure how people thought a top 6 Pac12 finish was possible?! I've got no idea how they'll pay vs the Mtn schools, but unfortunately those two teams have something to play for. Full disclosure, I only watched a little bit of first hall last night. I just can’t take that floor for more than a few minutes at a time. We have a solid 3 man core and virtually nothing else. Unfortunately that core isn’t talented enough or consistent enough to do it on their own. As fan’s, we often start with the top players when assessing a team, but with this team it is really all about the rest of the roster. To be kind, it is poor. Akanno’s not a bad player, he just shouldn’t be starting in Pac 12 nor likely in WCC. He plays some good D, but because of lack of consistency of the big 3 he is way too often needed to be #2 or #3 scorer — not the spot you want a 37% shooter (30% from 3) to be in. The rest of the team has some moments here and there, but none of them should be getting anywhere near the amount of time they are except for one reason — necessity. Exhibit A is Rochelin. In the last 11 games he’s played in he’s averaging 12.7 mpg. In that time he is averaging 2.1 ppg and has 2 more fouls than he has points. Don’t get me wrong, all these players seem like good kids and I root for them all. To their credit, I really haven’t seen lack of effort or quit with this team. The overall talent isn’t there, and unless there are a large number of transfers, this will be essentially be the same team next year. Some say, but yeah we’ll be in the WCC so we’ll be so much better. I think those people are overrating this team and/or underrating the WCC. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Feb 29, 2024 6:34:01 GMT -8
Bottom line we have a team with alot of effort but with not enough pac12 talent. A good coach could get more out of this group.
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Post by ag87 on Feb 29, 2024 6:47:13 GMT -8
I'll say that as fans is very VERY, difficult to judge most of this roster. There is no offensive scheme that 5th graders don't run better. I don't think it's a complete roster, but I think it's better than a 12th place group. Tonight was the perfect example of the lack of an inside game. Post play or the ability to drive, drive/draw/dish. The foul shots were simply a result of one team getting to the paint, pressuring the defense. And, OSU isn't very good individual defenders anyway. OSU simply dribbles, stands, settles for jump shots far far too often. They were shooting above 60% in the 1st half and were still behind. As will be the case most of the time, jump shooting teams will eventually tail off. It has little to do with "age". Our sophs have played as much or more minutes than a ton of Jrs. Combo of an unbalanced roster and just horrendously inconsistent offensive scheme doesn't bode well. The last 3 seasons have shown WT can't adapt to the talent/skill sets of his rosters. Combine that with recruiting results that are lacking... well, I'm just not sure how people thought a top 6 Pac12 finish was possible?! I've got no idea how they'll pay vs the Mtn schools, but unfortunately those two teams have something to play for. Full disclosure, I only watched a little bit of first hall last night. I just can’t take that floor for more than a few minutes at a time. We have a solid 3 man core and virtually nothing else. Unfortunately that core isn’t talented enough or consistent enough to do it on their own. As fan’s, we often start with the top players when assessing a team, but with this team it is really all about the rest of the roster. To be kind, it is poor. Akanno’s not a bad player, he just shouldn’t be starting in Pac 12 nor likely in WCC. He plays some good D, but because of lack of consistency of the big 3 he is way too often needed to be #2 or #3 scorer — not the spot you want a 37% shooter (30% from 3) to be in. The rest of the team has some moments here and there, but none of them should be getting anywhere near the amount of time they are except for one reason — necessity. Exhibit A is Rochelin. In the last 11 games he’s played in he’s averaging 12.7 mpg. In that time he is averaging 2.1 ppg and has 2 more fouls than he has points. Don’t get me wrong, all these players seem like good kids and I root for them all. To their credit, I really haven’t seen lack of effort or quit with this team. The overall talent isn’t there, and unless there are a large number of transfers, this will be essentially be the same team next year. Some say, but yeah we’ll be in the WCC so we’ll be so much better. I think those people are overrating this team and/or underrating the WCC. the top of the wcc is similar to the top of the P12. The bottom of the WCC is pretty bad. |
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Post by helpyhelperton on Feb 29, 2024 7:13:31 GMT -8
Full disclosure, I only watched a little bit of first hall last night. I just can’t take that floor for more than a few minutes at a time. We have a solid 3 man core and virtually nothing else. Unfortunately that core isn’t talented enough or consistent enough to do it on their own. As fan’s, we often start with the top players when assessing a team, but with this team it is really all about the rest of the roster. To be kind, it is poor. Akanno’s not a bad player, he just shouldn’t be starting in Pac 12 nor likely in WCC. He plays some good D, but because of lack of consistency of the big 3 he is way too often needed to be #2 or #3 scorer — not the spot you want a 37% shooter (30% from 3) to be in. The rest of the team has some moments here and there, but none of them should be getting anywhere near the amount of time they are except for one reason — necessity. Exhibit A is Rochelin. In the last 11 games he’s played in he’s averaging 12.7 mpg. In that time he is averaging 2.1 ppg and has 2 more fouls than he has points. Don’t get me wrong, all these players seem like good kids and I root for them all. To their credit, I really haven’t seen lack of effort or quit with this team. The overall talent isn’t there, and unless there are a large number of transfers, this will be essentially be the same team next year. Some say, but yeah we’ll be in the WCC so we’ll be so much better. I think those people are overrating this team and/or underrating the WCC. the top of the wcc is similar to the top of the P12. The bottom of the WCC is pretty bad. And here we are at the rock bottom of the PAC 12. Until proven otherwise just as bad as the bottom of any conference |
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Post by takethatbeav on Feb 29, 2024 7:42:35 GMT -8
I'll say that as fans is very VERY, difficult to judge most of this roster. There is no offensive scheme that 5th graders don't run better. I don't think it's a complete roster, but I think it's better than a 12th place group. Tonight was the perfect example of the lack of an inside game. Post play or the ability to drive, drive/draw/dish. The foul shots were simply a result of one team getting to the paint, pressuring the defense. And, OSU isn't very good individual defenders anyway. OSU simply dribbles, stands, settles for jump shots far far too often. They were shooting above 60% in the 1st half and were still behind. As will be the case most of the time, jump shooting teams will eventually tail off. It has little to do with "age". Our sophs have played as much or more minutes than a ton of Jrs. Combo of an unbalanced roster and just horrendously inconsistent offensive scheme doesn't bode well. The last 3 seasons have shown WT can't adapt to the talent/skill sets of his rosters. Combine that with recruiting results that are lacking... well, I'm just not sure how people thought a top 6 Pac12 finish was possible?! I've got no idea how they'll pay vs the Mtn schools, but unfortunately those two teams have something to play for. Full disclosure, I only watched a little bit of first hall last night. I just can’t take that floor for more than a few minutes at a time. We have a solid 3 man core and virtually nothing else. Unfortunately that core isn’t talented enough or consistent enough to do it on their own. As fan’s, we often start with the top players when assessing a team, but with this team it is really all about the rest of the roster. To be kind, it is poor. Akanno’s not a bad player, he just shouldn’t be starting in Pac 12 nor likely in WCC. He plays some good D, but because of lack of consistency of the big 3 he is way too often needed to be #2 or #3 scorer — not the spot you want a 37% shooter (30% from 3) to be in. The rest of the team has some moments here and there, but none of them should be getting anywhere near the amount of time they are except for one reason — necessity. Exhibit A is Rochelin. In the last 11 games he’s played in he’s averaging 12.7 mpg. In that time he is averaging 2.1 ppg and has 2 more fouls than he has points. Don’t get me wrong, all these players seem like good kids and I root for them all. To their credit, I really haven’t seen lack of effort or quit with this team. The overall talent isn’t there, and unless there are a large number of transfers, this will be essentially be the same team next year. Some say, but yeah we’ll be in the WCC so we’ll be so much better. I think those people are overrating this team and/or underrating the WCC. Rochelin passes the eye test and the athleticism test but he’s a zero factor player. So here’s the thing about the core three. They are good players, and good contributors, but on a game to game basis I don’t see them doing anything to set their teammates up for success, nor do I see them doing things to make the players around them better. It’s a ridiculous, isolation offense, with no movement The best play they ran all year was the lob against Washington state from pope to Marrs. That’s the only thing that I’ve seen all year that looked super fluid.. every thing else’s looks like an ungreesed chain operating in a hitchy manner |
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Post by ag87 on Feb 29, 2024 8:00:05 GMT -8
the top of the wcc is similar to the top of the P12. The bottom of the WCC is pretty bad. And here we are at the rock bottom of the PAC 12. Until proven otherwise just as bad as the bottom of any conference you obviously have not seen Pacific and U of Portland play this year. Holy crap bad. U San Diego and Pepperdine are not much better. |
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Post by helpyhelperton on Feb 29, 2024 8:20:00 GMT -8
And here we are at the rock bottom of the PAC 12. Until proven otherwise just as bad as the bottom of any conference you obviously have not seen Pacific and U of Portland play this year. Holy crap bad. U San Diego and Pepperdine are not much better. I’m confident we’d lose to those teams on the road, and win at home in double OT. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Feb 29, 2024 8:27:35 GMT -8
And here we are at the rock bottom of the PAC 12. Until proven otherwise just as bad as the bottom of any conference you obviously have not seen Pacific and U of Portland play this year. Holy crap bad. U San Diego and Pepperdine are not much better. I agree that Beavs with this same team would not be battling for last place in WCC. But one poster wrote that with the big 3 intact we would be a “power” in WCC next year. I asked him to quantify the word power in terms of conf record and standings finish, but don’t believe he responded. What I would equate with a power in a conference is what I mean by overrating the team and/or underrating the WCC. |
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