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Post by lebaneaver on Jan 23, 2024 12:40:47 GMT -8
“75,000 vs 30,000.” “No big 4 conference affiliation.” Those factors will be used against OSU, by coaches in other programs. It’ll work on some of them. BTW; when in hell has msu been a “national power?” How often have they even been a “big whatever” power? So much bull s%#t. National power? Well, during 2010-2015 they had a 6 season run where 5 of them were 11 wins and higher. Not a lot of schools can claim that the last 15 years or so. It was a different coach, but they do have a relatively recent track record of playing at a high level. Up AND down. Mostly down. Definitely mediocre, save for three seasons under Dantonio, and BEFORE many folks on this board were born. National power? Hell no. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Michigan_State_Spartans_football_seasons
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 23, 2024 12:41:17 GMT -8
I was going to post this. If Smith had verbally accepted the position, and indeed had told Barnes he was "legally" not allowed to connect with any OSU player who was not in the portal. Which had not open at that stage. He or any other coach could not have "talks" with any OSU athlete. Hard to prove in that Chiles can recant and say he remembered the dates incorrectly. But, more concerning to me is that he stated JS told the team the week before the CW. WTF... why was he allowed to even be on the field? He should have been immediately relieved of duties, docked a portion of his pay and kept away from players/offices. Any other coach that followed him because of the suspension could be fired for cause and OSU saved a bit of money. At that point in a season a skeleton staff could have run the team as well as what we saw that day. I will not go as far as wishing injury, but as AD I would have suspended and very publicly berated and embarrassed JS as much as possible that week and the week following. How he mislead, lead us on, lied to players and OSU staff all the while having decided to leave. He broke the trust of all 120+ players and all the loyal fans that believed he was still interested in staying while the contract talks were bogus. I can only hope that Chiles opened the door to maybe some other players opening up. Those players he talked to and that they decided to stay put, or move on to another school. If several talk about his (or any of the staff that left) tampering it would be a very interesting Spring. Wouldn't it be awesome if he and others were suspended? Recruiting sanctions? financial penalties before he even coaches a game? Unfortunately, probably just a dream... Chiles didn't say he was told a week before, he said the Smith changed his tune to "Then, a week before the Oregon game, he doesn’t tell us he’s leaving. He just tells us to focus on what we have to focus on now." IE don't listen to all the rumors that I am leaving...so they knew without being told. Then the Chiles doesn't give an exact timeline on the talk with Smith about going to MSU "Chiles said he and Smith talked shortly after the post-Oregon announcement about rejoining at Michigan State." Chiles can 'clarify' "shortly after" to mean anything he wants it to mean or is told to tell someone. Not even worth investigating. That's why you do "investigations"... if he wasn't in the portal, and he wasn't for quite a while, it is tampering. Whether it is worth it or not depends on conversations with other players happened and when. Again, why it's called an investigation. And, "worth" isn't based on what you think. It would take being an "insider" and knowing all the ramifications and processes. As I never stated I was an insider I was opining on the situation and thinking out loud.
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Post by NativeBeav on Jan 23, 2024 12:47:41 GMT -8
Some on social media are claiming that Chiles' story implies tampering as Chiles was not yet in the transfer portal I was going to post this. If Smith had verbally accepted the position, and indeed had told Barnes he was "legally" not allowed to connect with any OSU player who was not in the portal. Which had not open at that stage. He or any other coach could not have "talks" with any OSU athlete. Hard to prove in that Chiles can recant and say he remembered the dates incorrectly. But, more concerning to me is that he stated JS told the team the week before the CW. WTF... why was he allowed to even be on the field? He should have been immediately relieved of duties, docked a portion of his pay and kept away from players/offices. Any other coach that followed him because of the suspension could be fired for cause and OSU saved a bit of money. At that point in a season a skeleton staff could have run the team as well as what we saw that day. I will not go as far as wishing injury, but as AD I would have suspended and very publicly berated and embarrassed JS as much as possible that week and the week following. How he mislead, lead us on, lied to players and OSU staff all the while having decided to leave. He broke the trust of all 120+ players and all the loyal fans that believed he was still interested in staying while the contract talks were bogus. I can only hope that Chiles opened the door to maybe some other players opening up. Those players he talked to and that they decided to stay put, or move on to another school. If several talk about his (or any of the staff that left) tampering it would be a very interesting Spring. Wouldn't it be awesome if he and others were suspended? Recruiting sanctions? financial penalties before he even coaches a game? Unfortunately, probably just a dream...Bold number 1 - this definitely happened. I received a text from a friend who is a fan, and who has close connections to the team, and he said to me on Wed before the Friday CW game that JS had talked to the team, told them he had accepted the job - there were arguments, tension in the locker room, and that he had lost the team at that point. So - either he talked to them on Tuesday or Wednesday the 21st or 22nd. Honestly, I told him at the time he was full of sh*t, and I did not believe him. Was I ever wrong on that one.
Bold number 2 - yes, it is a pipe dream. No accountability anymore anywhere in our culture, including the NCAA. Sad. Accountability takes a lot of money to grease the wheels of justice........
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Post by sparty on Jan 23, 2024 13:05:37 GMT -8
I’m hoping for consecutive ACL tears for the young man. Is that bad? Does that make me a bad person? It would only be bad if you were hoping for ACL tears and his surgery becomes infected and he becomes an amputee. So I think you are okay at this point.
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Post by bvrbred on Jan 23, 2024 13:21:01 GMT -8
I was going to post this. If Smith had verbally accepted the position, and indeed had told Barnes he was "legally" not allowed to connect with any OSU player who was not in the portal. Which had not open at that stage. He or any other coach could not have "talks" with any OSU athlete. Hard to prove in that Chiles can recant and say he remembered the dates incorrectly. But, more concerning to me is that he stated JS told the team the week before the CW. WTF... why was he allowed to even be on the field? He should have been immediately relieved of duties, docked a portion of his pay and kept away from players/offices. Any other coach that followed him because of the suspension could be fired for cause and OSU saved a bit of money. At that point in a season a skeleton staff could have run the team as well as what we saw that day. I will not go as far as wishing injury, but as AD I would have suspended and very publicly berated and embarrassed JS as much as possible that week and the week following. How he mislead, lead us on, lied to players and OSU staff all the while having decided to leave. He broke the trust of all 120+ players and all the loyal fans that believed he was still interested in staying while the contract talks were bogus. I can only hope that Chiles opened the door to maybe some other players opening up. Those players he talked to and that they decided to stay put, or move on to another school. If several talk about his (or any of the staff that left) tampering it would be a very interesting Spring. Wouldn't it be awesome if he and others were suspended? Recruiting sanctions? financial penalties before he even coaches a game? Unfortunately, probably just a dream...Bold number 1 - this definitely happened. I received a text from a friend who is a fan, and who has close connections to the team, and he said to me on Wed before the Friday CW game that JS had talked to the team, told them he had accepted the job - there were arguments, tension in the locker room, and that he had lost the team at that point. So - either he talked to them on Tuesday or Wednesday the 21st or 22nd. Honestly, I told him at the time he was full of sh*t, and I did not believe him. Was I ever wrong on that one.
Bold number 2 - yes, it is a pipe dream. No accountability anymore anywhere in our culture, including the NCAA. Sad. Accountability takes a lot of money to grease the wheels of justice........
Question: Was there a team meeting, in which he made the announcement, after the game and before the early morning flight to East Lansing? If so, wouldn't this be redundant if he had already done it the Wednesday previous? If not, then he must have made an announcement before the game. It would be outrageous, even for him, if he simply got on a plane without saying anything to the team.
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Post by NativeBeav on Jan 23, 2024 13:26:59 GMT -8
Bold number 1 - this definitely happened. I received a text from a friend who is a fan, and who has close connections to the team, and he said to me on Wed before the Friday CW game that JS had talked to the team, told them he had accepted the job - there were arguments, tension in the locker room, and that he had lost the team at that point. So - either he talked to them on Tuesday or Wednesday the 21st or 22nd. Honestly, I told him at the time he was full of sh*t, and I did not believe him. Was I ever wrong on that one.
Bold number 2 - yes, it is a pipe dream. No accountability anymore anywhere in our culture, including the NCAA. Sad. Accountability takes a lot of money to grease the wheels of justice........
Question: Was there a team meeting, in which he made the announcement, after the game and before the early morning flight to East Lansing? If so, wouldn't this be redundant if he had already done it the Wednesday previous? If not, then he must have made an announcement before the game. It would be outrageous, even for him, if he simply got on a plane without saying anything to the team. First, I obviously was not there. All I know is the text from a fellow incredulous fan on Wed the 22nd, that JS had let the team know he was leaving, and that he had lost the locker room. I also heard there was a lot of anger, directed at JS and staff. That is all I got.
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Post by hottubbeaver on Jan 23, 2024 14:27:53 GMT -8
I’m hoping for consecutive ACL tears for the young man. Is that bad? Does that make me a bad person? In case you're not sure, YES, yes it is beyond bad.
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 23, 2024 15:01:30 GMT -8
I’m hoping for consecutive ACL tears for the young man. Is that bad? Does that make me a bad person? It would only be bad if you were hoping for ACL tears and his surgery becomes infected and he becomes an amputee. So I think you are okay at this point.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 23, 2024 15:05:57 GMT -8
It would only be bad if you were hoping for ACL tears and his surgery becomes infected and he becomes an amputee. So I think you are okay at this point. Was that GIF intentional? Posting a guy that was married to an amputee.
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Post by highincascadia on Jan 23, 2024 15:11:24 GMT -8
I’m hoping for consecutive ACL tears for the young man. Is that bad? Does that make me a bad person? Jesus lmao
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 23, 2024 15:11:49 GMT -8
Was that GIF intentional? Posting a guy that was married to an amputee.
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 23, 2024 15:13:21 GMT -8
I’m hoping for consecutive ACL tears for the young man. Is that bad? Does that make me a bad person? In case you're not sure, YES, yes it is beyond bad.
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Post by 93beav on Jan 23, 2024 15:14:45 GMT -8
I’m hoping for consecutive ACL tears for the young man. Is that bad? Does that make me a bad person? Yes. The easy answer is yes. As penance, I demand you move everyone who is at -99 on the social scale to -98 and say three Hail Casey's.
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Post by bvrbooster on Jan 23, 2024 15:44:24 GMT -8
With respect to the Chiles article, it didn't mention any remorse or 'wrestled with the decision' stuff over leaving Oregon State, and that's fine. He was only here for a few months, and his only loyalty was to he whose name is not spoken.
He has no interest in us, nor I any in him going forward. The only difference between him and the kicker who decommitted a day after committing is that Chiles stuck around long enough for me to know his name. Won't follow the kicker's career; won't follow Aidan's.
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Post by grayman on Jan 23, 2024 18:55:49 GMT -8
With respect to the Chiles article, it didn't mention any remorse or 'wrestled with the decision' stuff over leaving Oregon State, and that's fine. He was only here for a few months, and his only loyalty was to he whose name is not spoken. He has no interest in us, nor I any in him going forward. The only difference between him and the kicker who decommitted a day after committing is that Chiles stuck around long enough for me to know his name. Won't follow the kicker's career; won't follow Aidan's. Connington is the kicker. He did not commit to OSU and then decommit and commit to Michigan State a day later. He committed to OSU on Oct. 23rd. The headline on the story was misleading in that it referenced OSU's linebacker commit that happened the day before.
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