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Post by irimi on Jan 23, 2024 6:58:20 GMT -8
You guys are crazy comparing Smith and Tinkle. Every one of Smith’s losing seasons was a step forward. We all saw it; we all knew it. The culture of the team had changed. The players played until the final whistle and never gave up. I can’t say the same about Tinkle’s teams. If they would consistently play their hearts out, I’d watch. Seemed to be a bit of a digression over the past season for Smitty. And then, you know, the whole "Et tu, Brute?" stab to the groin finish to the whole thing leaves a bad taste in your mouth. I would rather watch nine more 2022-23-style basketball seasons than see anything like I saw from the pit viper that formerly ran the football team. Comparing Smitty to Tinkle irks me to no end. One guy was beloved here and then shot us all in the back. And the other is not from here and reviled by many but seems to be a great ambassador of Oregon State, a good guy, and a great developer of men. No comparison. You are correct about the men’s character, but I wasn’t talking about character. Up above us in this thread, they were debating about losing seasons and that is what my response is about. Smith’s losing seasons were better than Tinkle’s because the program was building. I don’t know either man so I cannot judge their character except what is shown in public. Smith’s departure and Tinkle’s utter uselessness the year after the Elite Eight appearance both leave me heavily dissatisfied. I also think that the year after the Elite Eight run directly disputes your claim that he is a “great developer of men.” |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 23, 2024 12:50:06 GMT -8
Seemed to be a bit of a digression over the past season for Smitty. And then, you know, the whole "Et tu, Brute?" stab to the groin finish to the whole thing leaves a bad taste in your mouth. I would rather watch nine more 2022-23-style basketball seasons than see anything like I saw from the pit viper that formerly ran the football team. Comparing Smitty to Tinkle irks me to no end. One guy was beloved here and then shot us all in the back. And the other is not from here and reviled by many but seems to be a great ambassador of Oregon State, a good guy, and a great developer of men. No comparison. You are correct about the men’s character, but I wasn’t talking about character. Up above us in this thread, they were debating about losing seasons and that is what my response is about. Smith’s losing seasons were better than Tinkle’s because the program was building. I don’t know either man so I cannot judge their character except what is shown in public. Smith’s departure and Tinkle’s utter uselessness the year after the Elite Eight appearance both leave me heavily dissatisfied. I also think that the year after the Elite Eight run directly disputes your claim that he is a “great developer of men.” The only Beaver that did not miss any time in 2021-22 was Jarod Lucas. Roman Silva missed parts of four game and otherwise played hurt the entire year. And he was the second-healthiest player! A ton of bad luck, and then 11 players graduated/bailed at year's end. It is impossible to "build momentum" after being dealt that hand. That is a complete tear-down and rebuild job. It's Tinks fault that he was clubbing his players' knees Tonya-Harding style in 2021-22? I don't know that Coach K wins many more than Tink did in 2021-22. Sometimes, you play a great hand poorly. Other times, you just get dealt a terrible hand. 2021-22 was a year that almost nothing went right. 2022-23 was an amazing one-year turn-around all things considered. I was hoping that we would be further along this year, and I still have high hopes. But it has not gone exactly how I wanted........ |
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 23, 2024 12:54:06 GMT -8
You are correct about the men’s character, but I wasn’t talking about character. Up above us in this thread, they were debating about losing seasons and that is what my response is about. Smith’s losing seasons were better than Tinkle’s because the program was building. I don’t know either man so I cannot judge their character except what is shown in public. Smith’s departure and Tinkle’s utter uselessness the year after the Elite Eight appearance both leave me heavily dissatisfied. I also think that the year after the Elite Eight run directly disputes your claim that he is a “great developer of men.” The only Beaver that did not miss any time in 2021-22 was Jarod Lucas. Roman Silva missed parts of four game and otherwise played hurt the entire year. And he was the second-healthiest player! A ton of bad luck, and then 11 players graduated/bailed at year's end. It is impossible to "build momentum" after being dealt that hand. That is a complete tear-down and rebuild job. It's Tinks fault that he was clubbing his players' knees Tonya-Harding style in 2021-22? I don't know that Coach K wins many more than Tink did in 2021-22. Sometimes, you play a great hand poorly. Other times, you just get dealt a terrible hand. 2021-22 was a year that almost nothing went right. 2022-23 was an amazing one-year turn-around all things considered. I was hoping that we would be further along this year, and I still have high hopes. But it has not gone exactly how I wanted........  |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 23, 2024 12:58:56 GMT -8
The only Beaver that did not miss any time in 2021-22 was Jarod Lucas. Roman Silva missed parts of four game and otherwise played hurt the entire year. And he was the second-healthiest player! A ton of bad luck, and then 11 players graduated/bailed at year's end. It is impossible to "build momentum" after being dealt that hand. That is a complete tear-down and rebuild job. It's Tinks fault that he was clubbing his players' knees Tonya-Harding style in 2021-22? I don't know that Coach K wins many more than Tink did in 2021-22. Sometimes, you play a great hand poorly. Other times, you just get dealt a terrible hand. 2021-22 was a year that almost nothing went right. 2022-23 was an amazing one-year turn-around all things considered. I was hoping that we would be further along this year, and I still have high hopes. But it has not gone exactly how I wanted........  |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 23, 2024 13:40:25 GMT -8
You are correct about the men’s character, but I wasn’t talking about character. Up above us in this thread, they were debating about losing seasons and that is what my response is about. Smith’s losing seasons were better than Tinkle’s because the program was building. I don’t know either man so I cannot judge their character except what is shown in public. Smith’s departure and Tinkle’s utter uselessness the year after the Elite Eight appearance both leave me heavily dissatisfied. I also think that the year after the Elite Eight run directly disputes your claim that he is a “great developer of men.” The only Beaver that did not miss any time in 2021-22 was Jarod Lucas. Roman Silva missed parts of four game and otherwise played hurt the entire year. And he was the second-healthiest player! A ton of bad luck, and then 11 players graduated/bailed at year's end. It is impossible to "build momentum" after being dealt that hand. That is a complete tear-down and rebuild job. It's Tinks fault that he was clubbing his players' knees Tonya-Harding style in 2021-22? I don't know that Coach K wins many more than Tink did in 2021-22. Sometimes, you play a great hand poorly. Other times, you just get dealt a terrible hand. 2021-22 was a year that almost nothing went right. 2022-23 was an amazing one-year turn-around all things considered. I was hoping that we would be further along this year, and I still have high hopes. But it has not gone exactly how I wanted........ The problem is that not all of those injuries were "real". There were a couple of players that were cleared to play, but refusing. He choose the wrong transfers that year, which is on him. |
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Post by ag87 on Jan 23, 2024 21:48:28 GMT -8
The only Beaver that did not miss any time in 2021-22 was Jarod Lucas. Roman Silva missed parts of four game and otherwise played hurt the entire year. And he was the second-healthiest player! A ton of bad luck, and then 11 players graduated/bailed at year's end. It is impossible to "build momentum" after being dealt that hand. That is a complete tear-down and rebuild job. It's Tinks fault that he was clubbing his players' knees Tonya-Harding style in 2021-22? I don't know that Coach K wins many more than Tink did in 2021-22. Sometimes, you play a great hand poorly. Other times, you just get dealt a terrible hand. 2021-22 was a year that almost nothing went right. 2022-23 was an amazing one-year turn-around all things considered. I was hoping that we would be further along this year, and I still have high hopes. But it has not gone exactly how I wanted........ The problem is that not all of those injuries were "real". There were a couple of players that were cleared to play, but refusing. He choose the wrong transfers that year, which is on him. that's much of my understanding also. I'm sure some of the injuries were real but many were not. A poster here, maybe treasurevalleybeav, says he knows the entire story and who the worst locker room guys were, but he never tells except the "I know." I think Tinkle's greatest fault was not cleaning house when it was apparent that two? three? four? guys were causing all the problems. I"m thinking this was known still in November. Maybe the season would still have been shlt, but the team would have recovered and not be going through this now. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 24, 2024 5:25:09 GMT -8
The problem is that not all of those injuries were "real". There were a couple of players that were cleared to play, but refusing. He choose the wrong transfers that year, which is on him. that's much of my understanding also. I'm sure some of the injuries were real but many were not. A poster here, maybe treasurevalleybeav, says he knows the entire story and who the worst locker room guys were, but he never tells except the "I know." I think Tinkle's greatest fault was not cleaning house when it was apparent that two? three? four? guys were causing all the problems. I"m thinking this was known still in November. Maybe the season would still have been shlt, but the team would have recovered and not be going through this now. They played a couple of games that year with only 6-7 available players that year due to the malcontents. And, he felt he had to play some of the “problem” players. I think WT was trying to push through and didn’t want to either forfeit games by cleaning house or have to do what the TCU women’s team just had to do and have open tryouts just to have enough players. It would have been better IMO to get rid of the problems. You would have had the same awful results and you could have kept 2 of the players that were not part of the issues, but left because of the way the situation was handled. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Jan 24, 2024 6:41:49 GMT -8
Regarding the year the "malcontents" were recruited tinkle has often used the excuse that due to covid he couldn't due the usual background work when researching recruits. He has said much of the recruiting was done online. Excuse me but every school had the same limitations. That excuse is just plain garbage.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 24, 2024 10:15:08 GMT -8
You guys are crazy comparing Smith and Tinkle. Every one of Smith’s losing seasons was a step forward. We all saw it; we all knew it. The culture of the team had changed. The players played until the final whistle and never gave up. I can’t say the same about Tinkle’s teams. If they would consistently play their hearts out, I’d watch. Tinkle’s teams have taken a step forward 7 out of 9 seasons. The steps backwards were doozies. Not sure if this season is a step in any direction just yet. I missed almost all of the last two games so I can’t really comment on whether they gave up or not. If he “loses the team" this year, that’s a very good reason to replace him. We’ll see how that goes over the next couple months. |
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 24, 2024 12:00:40 GMT -8
You guys are crazy comparing Smith and Tinkle. Every one of Smith’s losing seasons was a step forward. We all saw it; we all knew it. The culture of the team had changed. The players played until the final whistle and never gave up. I can’t say the same about Tinkle’s teams. If they would consistently play their hearts out, I’d watch. Tinkle’s teams have taken a step forward 7 out of 9 seasons. The steps backwards were doozies. Not sure if this season is a step in any direction just yet. I missed almost all of the last two games so I can’t really comment on whether they gave up or not. If he “loses the team" this year, that’s a very good reason to replace him. We’ll see how that goes over the next couple months. Would love to hear these "step forward" assessments. Please share since now at 57 games under .500 in conference play and league records that bounce all over the map. But I'm assuming you think "forward" is like 1 win to 5, 12th place to 10th?! Records vs Pac12 opponents: (includes Pac12 tourney games) Stanford 4-12 / 3-7 the last 10 Cal 8-10 / 7-3 the last 10 UCLA 5-12 / 2-8 the last 10 USC 7-12 / 5-5 the last 10 UW 6-10 / 3-7 the last 10 WSU 8-7 / 4-6 the last 10 Arizona 2-14 / 1-9 the last 10 ASU 4-13 / 1-9 the last 10 Utah 8-9 / 5-5 the last 10 Colorado 7-12 / 3-7 the last 10 Oregon 7-13 / 3-7 the last 10 66-124 / 37-73 .347 .336 In his career exactly (1) winning record vs a conference opponent (WSU), but is 4-6 over the last 10 games. Exactly (1) winning record (Cal) in the last (10) contests of any conference opponent. No one with any decent expectations think jumping from 7th place to 6th, or 12th to 10th, or 8th to 6th, or 12th to 11th are steps forward when it's WT's own program he's constantly having to "rebuild". Pac12 finishes: 7th, 6th, 12th, 10th, 4th*, 8th, 6th, 12th, 11th, ?? * what most would consider a nice step forward... leading to future success? NOPE. His teams have "progressed" two seasons in a row ONE time. I'm guessing that a 9th or 10th place finish this season will again be a step "forward"  If it is "right" to accept this futility and consistently give a program excuses to fail, then most people would gladly be "wrong". And, it is funny, this is truly the only program at OSU that a tiny fraction of fans accept this type of mediocrity. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 24, 2024 12:30:42 GMT -8
Tinkle’s teams have taken a step forward 7 out of 9 seasons. The steps backwards were doozies. Not sure if this season is a step in any direction just yet. I missed almost all of the last two games so I can’t really comment on whether they gave up or not. If he “loses the team" this year, that’s a very good reason to replace him. We’ll see how that goes over the next couple months. Would love to hear these "step forward" assessments. Please share since now at 57 games under .500 in conference play and league records that bounce all over the map. But I'm assuming you think "forward" is like 1 win to 5, 12th place to 10th?! Records vs Pac12 opponents: (includes Pac12 tourney games) Stanford 4-12 / 3-7 the last 10 Cal 8-10 / 7-3 the last 10 UCLA 5-12 / 2-8 the last 10 USC 7-12 / 5-5 the last 10 UW 6-10 / 3-7 the last 10 WSU 8-7 / 4-6 the last 10 Arizona 2-14 / 1-9 the last 10 ASU 4-13 / 1-9 the last 10 Utah 8-9 / 5-5 the last 10 Colorado 7-12 / 3-7 the last 10 Oregon 7-13 / 3-7 the last 10 66-124 / 37-73 .347 .336 In his career exactly (1) winning record vs a conference opponent (WSU), but is 4-6 over the last 10 games. Exactly (1) winning record (Cal) in the last (10) contests of any conference opponent. No one with any decent expectations think jumping from 7th place to 6th, or 12th to 10th, or 8th to 6th, or 12th to 11th are steps forward when it's WT's own program he's constantly having to "rebuild". Pac12 finishes: 7th, 6th, 12th, 10th, 4th*, 8th, 6th, 12th, 11th, ?? * what most would consider a nice step forward... leading to future success? NOPE. His teams have "progressed" two seasons in a row ONE time. I'm guessing that a 9th or 10th place finish this season will again be a step "forward" If it is "right" to accept this futility and consistently give a program excuses to fail, then most people would gladly be "wrong". And, it is funny, this is truly the only program at OSU that a tiny fraction of fans accept this type of mediocrity. He’s the Paula Abdul of coaches. Two steps forward, two steps back. He just needs to hire MC Skat Kat as his assistant. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 24, 2024 12:59:45 GMT -8
Tinkle’s teams have taken a step forward 7 out of 9 seasons. The steps backwards were doozies. Not sure if this season is a step in any direction just yet. I missed almost all of the last two games so I can’t really comment on whether they gave up or not. If he “loses the team" this year, that’s a very good reason to replace him. We’ll see how that goes over the next couple months. Would love to hear these "step forward" assessments. Please share since now at 57 games under .500 in conference play and league records that bounce all over the map. But I'm assuming you think "forward" is like 1 win to 5, 12th place to 10th?! Records vs Pac12 opponents: (includes Pac12 tourney games) Stanford 4-12 / 3-7 the last 10 Cal 8-10 / 7-3 the last 10 UCLA 5-12 / 2-8 the last 10 USC 7-12 / 5-5 the last 10 UW 6-10 / 3-7 the last 10 WSU 8-7 / 4-6 the last 10 Arizona 2-14 / 1-9 the last 10 ASU 4-13 / 1-9 the last 10 Utah 8-9 / 5-5 the last 10 Colorado 7-12 / 3-7 the last 10 Oregon 7-13 / 3-7 the last 10 66-124 / 37-73 .347 .336 In his career exactly (1) winning record vs a conference opponent (WSU), but is 4-6 over the last 10 games. Exactly (1) winning record (Cal) in the last (10) contests of any conference opponent. No one with any decent expectations think jumping from 7th place to 6th, or 12th to 10th, or 8th to 6th, or 12th to 11th are steps forward when it's WT's own program he's constantly having to "rebuild". Pac12 finishes: 7th, 6th, 12th, 10th, 4th*, 8th, 6th, 12th, 11th, ??* what most would consider a nice step forward... leading to future success? NOPE. His teams have "progressed" two seasons in a row ONE time. I'm guessing that a 9th or 10th place finish this season will again be a step "forward" If it is "right" to accept this futility and consistently give a program excuses to fail, then most people would gladly be "wrong". And, it is funny, this is truly the only program at OSU that a tiny fraction of fans accept this type of mediocrity. RPI/NET: 133, 33, 287, 140, 85, 71, 50, 252, 222, 194 (currently) Seven years forward (working on eight). Two years back. Spin differently, if you would like. If you cannot handle the ups and downs, it might be time to sell all of your positions in the market and just hedge with gold. I see a lot of great or improving against two just wretched, unsalvageable seasons. Lots of teams "accept" this type of "mediocrity," because they do not fund their basketball teams well in comparison to the other teams in their conference. Northwestern is a prime example. Your statement to the contrary is flat-out wrong. When you fund your team at the level of the 11th-best team in the Pac-12, a rational person expects to see 11th-place results. An irrational person expects more because of nebulous reasons and then talks about hiring someone else who is sure to turn things around with the 11th-largest budget for reasons that cannot be rationally explained. There are loons at every university. And there are realists. The idea that Oregon State is special or weird or something is wrong. You post great stats. You usually have great stuff about football. But, a lot of what you say above is tripe IMHO. |
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Post by grayman on Jan 24, 2024 13:18:21 GMT -8
Would love to hear these "step forward" assessments. Please share since now at 57 games under .500 in conference play and league records that bounce all over the map. But I'm assuming you think "forward" is like 1 win to 5, 12th place to 10th?! Records vs Pac12 opponents: (includes Pac12 tourney games) Stanford 4-12 / 3-7 the last 10 Cal 8-10 / 7-3 the last 10 UCLA 5-12 / 2-8 the last 10 USC 7-12 / 5-5 the last 10 UW 6-10 / 3-7 the last 10 WSU 8-7 / 4-6 the last 10 Arizona 2-14 / 1-9 the last 10 ASU 4-13 / 1-9 the last 10 Utah 8-9 / 5-5 the last 10 Colorado 7-12 / 3-7 the last 10 Oregon 7-13 / 3-7 the last 10 66-124 / 37-73 .347 .336 In his career exactly (1) winning record vs a conference opponent (WSU), but is 4-6 over the last 10 games. Exactly (1) winning record (Cal) in the last (10) contests of any conference opponent. No one with any decent expectations think jumping from 7th place to 6th, or 12th to 10th, or 8th to 6th, or 12th to 11th are steps forward when it's WT's own program he's constantly having to "rebuild". Pac12 finishes: 7th, 6th, 12th, 10th, 4th*, 8th, 6th, 12th, 11th, ??* what most would consider a nice step forward... leading to future success? NOPE. His teams have "progressed" two seasons in a row ONE time. I'm guessing that a 9th or 10th place finish this season will again be a step "forward" If it is "right" to accept this futility and consistently give a program excuses to fail, then most people would gladly be "wrong". And, it is funny, this is truly the only program at OSU that a tiny fraction of fans accept this type of mediocrity. RPI/NET: 133, 33, 287, 140, 85, 71, 50, 252, 222, 194 (currently) Seven years forward (working on eight). Two years back. Spin differently, if you would like. If you cannot handle the ups and downs, it might be time to sell all of your positions in the market and just hedge with gold. I see a lot of great or improving against two just wretched, unsalvageable seasons. Lots of teams "accept" this type of "mediocrity," because they do not fund their basketball teams well in comparison to the other teams in their conference. Northwestern is a prime example. Your statement to the contrary is flat-out wrong. When you fund your team at the level of the 11th-best team in the Pac-12, a rational person expects to see 11th-place results. An irrational person expects more because of nebulous reasons and then talks about hiring someone else who is sure to turn things around with the 11th-largest budget for reasons that cannot be rationally explained. There are loons at every university. And there are realists. The idea that Oregon State is special or weird or something is wrong. You post great stats. You usually have great stuff about football. But, a lot of what you say above is tripe IMHO. Yep. And men's basketball will not be a financial priority for OSU in the near future either. I'm not sure Corvallis is the easiest place to recruit men's basketball players out of high school and requires a lot of hits with transfers to make the program work in this era. That's probably been the situation for a time now. Maybe the program will do better in the WCC. I think how Tinkle does there might be a better overall gauge of his abilities. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 24, 2024 13:26:44 GMT -8
RPI/NET: 133, 33, 287, 140, 85, 71, 50, 252, 222, 194 (currently) Seven years forward (working on eight). Two years back. Spin differently, if you would like. If you cannot handle the ups and downs, it might be time to sell all of your positions in the market and just hedge with gold. I see a lot of great or improving against two just wretched, unsalvageable seasons. Lots of teams "accept" this type of "mediocrity," because they do not fund their basketball teams well in comparison to the other teams in their conference. Northwestern is a prime example. Your statement to the contrary is flat-out wrong. When you fund your team at the level of the 11th-best team in the Pac-12, a rational person expects to see 11th-place results. An irrational person expects more because of nebulous reasons and then talks about hiring someone else who is sure to turn things around with the 11th-largest budget for reasons that cannot be rationally explained. There are loons at every university. And there are realists. The idea that Oregon State is special or weird or something is wrong. You post great stats. You usually have great stuff about football. But, a lot of what you say above is tripe IMHO. Yep. And men's basketball will not be a financial priority for OSU in the near future either. I'm not sure Corvallis is the easiest place to recruit men's basketball players out of high school and requires a lot of hits with transfers to make the program work in this era. That's probably been the situation for a time now. Maybe the program will do better in the WCC. I think how Tinkle does there might be a better overall gauge of his abilities. Yeah, at this point, given what next year will probably look like, my head hurts trying to figure out why any rational person would be trying to show Tinkle the door this year. This year will be almost 100% irrelevant to next year. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 24, 2024 13:32:33 GMT -8
Tinkle’s teams have taken a step forward 7 out of 9 seasons. The steps backwards were doozies. Not sure if this season is a step in any direction just yet. I missed almost all of the last two games so I can’t really comment on whether they gave up or not. If he “loses the team" this year, that’s a very good reason to replace him. We’ll see how that goes over the next couple months. Would love to hear these "step forward" assessments. Please share since now at 57 games under .500 in conference play and league records that bounce all over the map. But I'm assuming you think "forward" is like 1 win to 5, 12th place to 10th?! Records vs Pac12 opponents: (includes Pac12 tourney games) Stanford 4-12 / 3-7 the last 10 Cal 8-10 / 7-3 the last 10 UCLA 5-12 / 2-8 the last 10 USC 7-12 / 5-5 the last 10 UW 6-10 / 3-7 the last 10 WSU 8-7 / 4-6 the last 10 Arizona 2-14 / 1-9 the last 10 ASU 4-13 / 1-9 the last 10 Utah 8-9 / 5-5 the last 10 Colorado 7-12 / 3-7 the last 10 Oregon 7-13 / 3-7 the last 10 66-124 / 37-73 .347 .336 In his career exactly (1) winning record vs a conference opponent (WSU), but is 4-6 over the last 10 games. Exactly (1) winning record (Cal) in the last (10) contests of any conference opponent. No one with any decent expectations think jumping from 7th place to 6th, or 12th to 10th, or 8th to 6th, or 12th to 11th are steps forward when it's WT's own program he's constantly having to "rebuild". Pac12 finishes: 7th, 6th, 12th, 10th, 4th*, 8th, 6th, 12th, 11th, ?? * what most would consider a nice step forward... leading to future success? NOPE. His teams have "progressed" two seasons in a row ONE time. I'm guessing that a 9th or 10th place finish this season will again be a step "forward" If it is "right" to accept this futility and consistently give a program excuses to fail, then most people would gladly be "wrong". And, it is funny, this is truly the only program at OSU that a tiny fraction of fans accept this type of mediocrity. Any discussion revolving around the overall conference record should take in a couple factors. 1- Two seasons out of the nine were absolutely horrible and will skew the overall conference record for years to come, even if the team were to win the league a few years straight. 2- OSU has invested less in basketball for a long time, facilities and recruiting budget-wise, compared to the rest of the league. Currently, I think Tinkle is overpaid (most recent contract), especially compared to results - but I understand the bump he got after the Elite 8 appearance. If you are focusing on conference win percentage, you really should look at the 30 year history of OSU's conference record after it all basically collapsed. Tinkle does have the 2nd and the 3rd worst conference seasons in that time. Those do need to be looked at and the reasons for those need to be looked at and understood. The AD apparently felt it was not time to fire him simply based on those bad years. Tinkle also has the best conference season, the 2nd best conference season, the 3rd best conference season, and shares the 4th best season with 2 coaches who managed to win 44% of their conference games one season each during that span. At the end of the season Barnes will probably look at the current season and Tinkle's overall performance and have a decision to make. I don't know what that decision will be, I don’t know how the season will end, and neither do you. I said it after last season, last season was not the season to can him, in part because they were obviously young and looked to have a promising future and also because the buyout would be too high. I also said at one point after last season that a buyout would not be un-doable after this season if it all goes south. I stand by that. I don't know that it's gone south yet. Barnes has shown the ability to raise money, and it's apparently out there. Although you and some out there semmingly hate that Barnes as thus far retained Tinkle, he's shown he makes a lot of good decisions. I trust he will make the appropriate decision after this year. |
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