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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 24, 2024 13:47:42 GMT -8
Yep. And men's basketball will not be a financial priority for OSU in the near future either. I'm not sure Corvallis is the easiest place to recruit men's basketball players out of high school and requires a lot of hits with transfers to make the program work in this era. That's probably been the situation for a time now. Maybe the program will do better in the WCC. I think how Tinkle does there might be a better overall gauge of his abilities. Yeah, at this point, given what next year will probably look like, my head hurts trying to figure out why any rational person would be trying to show Tinkle the door this year. This year will be almost 100% irrelevant to next year. What I don't see as smart is making the argument to can him this season before the season actually pans out. Make that argument at the end of the season, based on this season's results. The sad thing is, I do worry about who we might actually hire, based on history. OSU has a fairly lengthy history of not supporting its basketball program to the level of the rest of the league. The last time we were hiring there was not a lot of serious interest. Heck, Howland, who had been out of basketball for a bit, chose unemployment over coaching the Beavers... and there were articles stating that. OSU has a reputation for being tough on coaches. The current conference situation doesn't help. This is a bad year to be in the market for a new coach. If the season goes bad or if he loses the players and they don't want to play for him, he probably will be gone. If that happens I'll be excited for the next guy, but do I really think it'll "fix" things, nope. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Jan 24, 2024 13:53:52 GMT -8
So if there would be a promising high school player or two out there that for whatever reason wanted to play at oregon state do you think they'd be willing to commit here knowing the coach was likely out the door if not this year then next. At some point in time you are going to pay tinkle not to coach Barnes should find the money and get it done. It's not like tinkle is going to retire ( with no remaining contract) and the job is going to be given to the assistant.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 24, 2024 13:56:22 GMT -8
Yeah, at this point, given what next year will probably look like, my head hurts trying to figure out why any rational person would be trying to show Tinkle the door this year. This year will be almost 100% irrelevant to next year. What I don't see as smart is making the argument to can him this season before the season actually pans out. Make that argument at the end of the season, based on this season's results. The sad thing is, I do worry about who we might actually hire, based on history. OSU has a fairly lengthy history of not supporting its basketball program to the level of the rest of the league. The last time we were hiring there was not a lot of serious interest. Heck, Howland, who had been out of basketball for a bit, chose unemployment over coaching the Beavers... and there were articles stating that. OSU has a reputation for being tough on coaches. The current conference situation doesn't help. This is a bad year to be in the market for a new coach. If the season goes bad or if he loses the players and they don't want to play for him, he probably will be gone. If that happens I'll be excited for the next guy, but do I really think it'll "fix" things, nope. I agree with the first paragraph. I hate all of this intra-year bellyaching. The conference season is only a third over on the high side. Let's see how things play out. Once the Pac-12 Tournament ends, let's see where we are at. I 100% agree with everything else you say. I really like what Barnes has done pretty much everywhere, but I have zero faith that he is going to find a new coach better than Tinkle. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 24, 2024 13:59:09 GMT -8
So if there would be a promising high school player or two out there that for whatever reason wanted to play at oregon state do you think they'd be willing to commit here knowing the coach was likely out the door if not this year then next. At some point in time you are going to pay tinkle not to coach Barnes should find the money and get it done. At this point, who the coach will be next year is like the least of Oregon State's problems. Any player that gets over the hurdle of having absolutely no idea what the basketball schedule will look like next year is probably almost completely unconcerned about the head coaching situation. He still has the free transfer after all. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 24, 2024 14:00:49 GMT -8
Yeah, at this point, given what next year will probably look like, my head hurts trying to figure out why any rational person would be trying to show Tinkle the door this year. This year will be almost 100% irrelevant to next year. What I don't see as smart is making the argument to can him this season before the season actually pans out. Make that argument at the end of the season, based on this season's results. The sad thing is, I do worry about who we might actually hire, based on history. OSU has a fairly lengthy history of not supporting its basketball program to the level of the rest of the league. The last time we were hiring there was not a lot of serious interest. Heck, Howland, who had been out of basketball for a bit, chose unemployment over coaching the Beavers... and there were articles stating that. OSU has a reputation for being tough on coaches. The current conference situation doesn't help. This is a bad year to be in the market for a new coach. If the season goes bad or if he loses the players and they don't want to play for him, he probably will be gone. If that happens I'll be excited for the next guy, but do I really think it'll "fix" things, nope. Howland wanted well over $3 million/year to coach here.....That is why he was not pursued. Probably wouldn't have been a long-term fix anyways. He had a couple of decent years at Mississippi St. and then faded fast and was fired in 2022. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Jan 24, 2024 14:02:51 GMT -8
The quit bellyaching, let's see how things play out argument sounds like the same wait and see as last year and the year before, etc...the only positive is the debt is smaller. Barnes needs to make a move.
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Post by speakthetruth on Jan 24, 2024 14:08:14 GMT -8
Sounds like some are waiting for a 10-10 league season, winning the pac12 championship, and getting to the elite 8. Don't want to rain on your parade but it ain't going to happen.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 24, 2024 14:25:52 GMT -8
Sounds like some are waiting for a 10-10 league season, winning the pac12 championship, and getting to the elite 8. Don't want to rain on your parade but it ain't going to happen. Personally, I don't think any of those will happen. I do think winning 5-6 more conference games, then winning a game or two in the conferenc tournament could happen. Then Barnes has an interesting choice to make. The rest is just noise. |
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Post by irimi on Jan 24, 2024 14:43:28 GMT -8
You are correct about the men’s character, but I wasn’t talking about character. Up above us in this thread, they were debating about losing seasons and that is what my response is about. Smith’s losing seasons were better than Tinkle’s because the program was building. I don’t know either man so I cannot judge their character except what is shown in public. Smith’s departure and Tinkle’s utter uselessness the year after the Elite Eight appearance both leave me heavily dissatisfied. I also think that the year after the Elite Eight run directly disputes your claim that he is a “great developer of men.” The only Beaver that did not miss any time in 2021-22 was Jarod Lucas. Roman Silva missed parts of four game and otherwise played hurt the entire year. And he was the second-healthiest player! A ton of bad luck, and then 11 players graduated/bailed at year's end. It is impossible to "build momentum" after being dealt that hand. That is a complete tear-down and rebuild job. It's Tinks fault that he was clubbing his players' knees Tonya-Harding style in 2021-22? I don't know that Coach K wins many more than Tink did in 2021-22. Sometimes, you play a great hand poorly. Other times, you just get dealt a terrible hand. 2021-22 was a year that almost nothing went right. 2022-23 was an amazing one-year turn-around all things considered. I was hoping that we would be further along this year, and I still have high hopes. But it has not gone exactly how I wanted........ Oh, I know the story about Lucas. He's playing for Nevada. And Silva didn't stick around either.
If Tinkle were granted the HC job at Michigan State, who would follow him?
That's what I'm talking about. I honestly don't think his players share his vision. But Smith had quite a few listening to him.
That's what a coach does. A good coach never loses a team.
Also, when Musgrave went out with his "injury," what happened? We found out that the next guy up (Velling) was pretty good, too. That's what a good coach does.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 24, 2024 15:03:03 GMT -8
The only Beaver that did not miss any time in 2021-22 was Jarod Lucas. Roman Silva missed parts of four game and otherwise played hurt the entire year. And he was the second-healthiest player! A ton of bad luck, and then 11 players graduated/bailed at year's end. It is impossible to "build momentum" after being dealt that hand. That is a complete tear-down and rebuild job. It's Tinks fault that he was clubbing his players' knees Tonya-Harding style in 2021-22? I don't know that Coach K wins many more than Tink did in 2021-22. Sometimes, you play a great hand poorly. Other times, you just get dealt a terrible hand. 2021-22 was a year that almost nothing went right. 2022-23 was an amazing one-year turn-around all things considered. I was hoping that we would be further along this year, and I still have high hopes. But it has not gone exactly how I wanted........ Oh, I know the story about Lucas. He's playing for Nevada. And Silva didn't stick around either.
If Tinkle were granted the HC job at Michigan State, who would follow him?
That's what I'm talking about. I honestly don't think his players share his vision. But Smith had quite a few listening to him.
That's what a coach does. A good coach never loses a team.
Also, when Musgrave went out with his "injury," what happened? We found out that the next guy up (Velling) was pretty good, too. That's what a good coach does.
Silva graduated and left. He graduated HS in 2016 and played until 2022. |
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Jan 24, 2024 15:31:58 GMT -8
Again, "a winning program"...almost made it with that one. And yes Barnes should have been out the door years ago, he's ruined not one but two basketball programs in his tenure, but some how he walks on God in the old white guys message board. Barnes walks on God? Like is God asphalt or what? Yes, it's where Husky fans take a leak during the game. |
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Jan 24, 2024 15:36:33 GMT -8
Honestly, I think Wayne just needs more time to get his players into the program. It's the least OSU can do for him.
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Post by irimi on Jan 24, 2024 17:48:10 GMT -8
Oh, I know the story about Lucas. He's playing for Nevada. And Silva didn't stick around either.
If Tinkle were granted the HC job at Michigan State, who would follow him?
That's what I'm talking about. I honestly don't think his players share his vision. But Smith had quite a few listening to him.
That's what a coach does. A good coach never loses a team.
Also, when Musgrave went out with his "injury," what happened? We found out that the next guy up (Velling) was pretty good, too. That's what a good coach does.
Silva graduated and left. He graduated HS in 2016 and played until 2022. I saw he played for us for three years. I figured he still had a year. Oh well. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 24, 2024 17:59:38 GMT -8
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Jan 25, 2024 11:16:28 GMT -8
So if there would be a promising high school player or two out there that for whatever reason wanted to play at oregon state do you think they'd be willing to commit here knowing the coach was likely out the door if not this year then next. At some point in time you are going to pay tinkle not to coach Barnes should find the money and get it done. It's not like tinkle is going to retire ( with no remaining contract) and the job is going to be given to the assistant. Who's to say said kid would play for Wayne all three years? |
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