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Post by zzufrevaeb on Jan 25, 2024 11:17:17 GMT -8
Sounds like some are waiting for a 10-10 league season, winning the pac12 championship, and getting to the elite 8. Don't want to rain on your parade but it ain't going to happen. Personally, I don't think any of those will happen. I do think winning 5-6 more conference games, then winning a game or two in the conferenc tournament could happen. Then Barnes has an interesting choice to make. The rest is just noise. He won't have a choice, he still believes Wayne can turn it around with his players in the program. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 25, 2024 12:32:07 GMT -8
...our likely WCC/MW future, would Wayne Urine even last out the season? But we do “Face the financial uncertainty of…” So the question is moot. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Jan 25, 2024 12:37:20 GMT -8
Why is it that people only look at the expense side when looking at the cost of the buyout? Shouldn't there also be a look at the income side (tickets not sold and donations not made)?
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 25, 2024 14:11:50 GMT -8
Why is it that people only look at the expense side when looking at the cost of the buyout? Shouldn't there also be a look at the income side (tickets not sold and donations not made)? Expenses are known. Ticket sales and donations are speculation. Administrators in any business like dealing with the knowns. |
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 25, 2024 18:49:30 GMT -8
Why is it that people only look at the expense side when looking at the cost of the buyout? Shouldn't there also be a look at the income side (tickets not sold and donations not made)? Expenses are known. Ticket sales and donations are speculation. Administrators in any business like dealing with the knowns. Well, they much not always think that way... as an extension wasn't needed if there wasn't a "known" offer to WT. And, was it "known" the E8 run would actually catapult the program to a consistent level of success? But, as much as this is all playful banter the programs "numbers", current financial and conference situation speak for themselves.  PS- can OSU stay within 20 tonight? |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 25, 2024 18:51:11 GMT -8
Expenses are known. Ticket sales and donations are speculation. Administrators in any business like dealing with the knowns. Well, they much not always think that way... as an extension wasn't needed if there wasn't a "known" offer to WT. And, was it "known" the E8 run would actually catapult the program to a consistent level of success? But, as much as this is all playful banter the programs "numbers", current financial and conference situation speak for themselves. PS- can OSU stay within 20 tonight? We have played much better at home…so within 20? Maybe? |
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 25, 2024 18:52:53 GMT -8
Well, they much not always think that way... as an extension wasn't needed if there wasn't a "known" offer to WT. And, was it "known" the E8 run would actually catapult the program to a consistent level of success? But, as much as this is all playful banter the programs "numbers", current financial and conference situation speak for themselves. PS- can OSU stay within 20 tonight? We have played much better at home…so within 20? Maybe? 8pm starts are too late to drive home depressed so I'm recording to watch at about 9pm and be able to fast forward just in case! |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 25, 2024 21:06:04 GMT -8
Expenses are known. Ticket sales and donations are speculation. Administrators in any business like dealing with the knowns. Well, they much not always think that way... as an extension wasn't needed if there wasn't a "known" offer to WT. And, was it "known" the E8 run would actually catapult the program to a consistent level of success? But, as much as this is all playful banter the programs "numbers", current financial and conference situation speak for themselves. PS- can OSU stay within 20 tonight? It was "known" what we would be paying our head men's basketball coach, to budget accordingly. It's a great help to any business to be able to chart expenses for the foreseeable future. Had they known about the subsequent demise of the Pac-12 in April 2021, maybe they would have taken a different path. Not sure such a long extension was merited. But after going 18-13, 18-13 and 20-13 with an E8 appearance from 2019-21, one could have assumed with some degree of confidence we were finally on the right track. Easy to look back and question that extension now, hindsight is always 20/20. |
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 25, 2024 21:15:50 GMT -8
Well, they much not always think that way... as an extension wasn't needed if there wasn't a "known" offer to WT. And, was it "known" the E8 run would actually catapult the program to a consistent level of success? But, as much as this is all playful banter the programs "numbers", current financial and conference situation speak for themselves. PS- can OSU stay within 20 tonight? It was "known" what we would be paying our head men's basketball coach, to budget accordingly. It's a great help to any business to be able to chart expenses for the foreseeable future. Had they known about the subsequent demise of the Pac-12 in April 2021, maybe they would have taken a different path. Not sure such a long extension was merited. But after going 18-13, 18-13 and 20-13 with an E8 appearance from 2019-21, one could have assumed with some degree of confidence we were finally on the right track. Easy to look back and question that extension now, hindsight is always 20/20. Seem to missing some other seasons in there. Plus there was more to evaluate than wins... NC schedules were weak... recruiting weak... hence depth weak... keeping the better recruits weak. All of this before a portal or NIL. The extension was not only too long, but too much of an increase. A simple one year added and raise was warranted. But, off course the irony is that one of the "job" excuses is the financial commitment to the program. Yet look at the $ handed out for this coaching job!? |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 26, 2024 7:14:59 GMT -8
It was "known" what we would be paying our head men's basketball coach, to budget accordingly. It's a great help to any business to be able to chart expenses for the foreseeable future. Had they known about the subsequent demise of the Pac-12 in April 2021, maybe they would have taken a different path. Not sure such a long extension was merited. But after going 18-13, 18-13 and 20-13 with an E8 appearance from 2019-21, one could have assumed with some degree of confidence we were finally on the right track. Easy to look back and question that extension now, hindsight is always 20/20. Seem to missing some other seasons in there. Plus there was more to evaluate than wins... NC schedules were weak... recruiting weak... hence depth weak... keeping the better recruits weak. All of this before a portal or NIL. The extension was not only too long, but too much of an increase. A simple one year added and raise was warranted. But, off course the irony is that one of the "job" excuses is the financial commitment to the program. Yet look at the $ handed out for this coaching job!? Did you post those specific concerns at the time of the extension? Maybe you did, maybe you didn’t. But if you didn’t, such comments now are just 20/20 hindsight. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 26, 2024 8:13:46 GMT -8
We have played much better at home…so within 20? Maybe? 8pm starts are too late to drive home depressed so I'm recording to watch at about 9pm and be able to fast forward just in case! UA losses make you depressed?  |
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Jan 26, 2024 9:50:35 GMT -8
Seem to missing some other seasons in there. Plus there was more to evaluate than wins... NC schedules were weak... recruiting weak... hence depth weak... keeping the better recruits weak. All of this before a portal or NIL. The extension was not only too long, but too much of an increase. A simple one year added and raise was warranted. But, off course the irony is that one of the "job" excuses is the financial commitment to the program. Yet look at the $ handed out for this coaching job!? Did you post those specific concerns at the time of the extension? Maybe you did, maybe you didn’t. But if you didn’t, such comments now are just 2020 hindsight. Quite a few people posted on beaverblitz about the extension, most of them to the negative. |
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 26, 2024 11:34:36 GMT -8
Seem to missing some other seasons in there. Plus there was more to evaluate than wins... NC schedules were weak... recruiting weak... hence depth weak... keeping the better recruits weak. All of this before a portal or NIL. The extension was not only too long, but too much of an increase. A simple one year added and raise was warranted. But, off course the irony is that one of the "job" excuses is the financial commitment to the program. Yet look at the $ handed out for this coaching job!? Did you post those specific concerns at the time of the extension? Maybe you did, maybe you didn’t. But if you didn’t, such comments now are just 2020 hindsight. Pretty much many folks did as far of the length and $... of both extensions. And, whether it was concurrent with the extension what does it matter? One would be speculating on the future the program wasn't truly stable, and now able to see actual data showing the program isn't and went downhill. And again hindsight bias would be one stating now, "I knew back then when the extension was made the program was going to end up in this position." I see no one saying that. The extensions were financially foolish based on the record of the program at the time of each. One season like the E8 and in the circumstance it happened does not make a program. Some seem to take message board opinions as some contest of being right or wrong. There is a ton of "gray". Me not thinking either of WT's extensions were financially sound were not some statement of fact. Just as using data of the programs overall inconsistency and poor record to back up those opinions. That isn't hindsight... it's not "I told you so". It is having data to justify past and current opinions. Just as those WT supporters have their own sets of data that support their view points. But again, you can have an opinion on what data is truly important to you.  |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 26, 2024 11:42:33 GMT -8
Did you post those specific concerns at the time of the extension? Maybe you did, maybe you didn’t. But if you didn’t, such comments now are just 2020 hindsight. Pretty much many folks did as far of the length and $... of both extensions. And, whether it was concurrent with the extension what does it matter? One would be speculating on the future the program wasn't truly stable, and now able to see actual data showing the program isn't and went downhill. And again hindsight bias would be one stating now, "I knew back then when the extension was made the program was going to end up in this position." I see no one saying that. The extensions were financially foolish based on the record of the program at the time of each. One season like the E8 and in the circumstance it happened does not make a program. Some seem to take message board opinions as some contest of being right or wrong. There is a ton of "gray". Me not thinking either of WT's extensions were financially sound were not some statement of fact. Just as using data of the programs overall inconsistency and poor record to back up those opinions. That isn't hindsight... it's not "I told you so". It is having data to justify past and current opinions. Just as those WT supporters have their own sets of data that support their view points. But again, you can have an opinion on what data is truly important to you. I’ll take that as a no. |
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 26, 2024 11:47:10 GMT -8
Pretty much many folks did as far of the length and $... of both extensions. And, whether it was concurrent with the extension what does it matter? One would be speculating on the future the program wasn't truly stable, and now able to see actual data showing the program isn't and went downhill. And again hindsight bias would be one stating now, "I knew back then when the extension was made the program was going to end up in this position." I see no one saying that. The extensions were financially foolish based on the record of the program at the time of each. One season like the E8 and in the circumstance it happened does not make a program. Some seem to take message board opinions as some contest of being right or wrong. There is a ton of "gray". Me not thinking either of WT's extensions were financially sound were not some statement of fact. Just as using data of the programs overall inconsistency and poor record to back up those opinions. That isn't hindsight... it's not "I told you so". It is having data to justify past and current opinions. Just as those WT supporters have their own sets of data that support their view points. But again, you can have an opinion on what data is truly important to you. I’ll take that as a no.  You typically take things as whatever you want... but I'm sure you can do your own research and see who did not like the extension. |
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