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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 30, 2024 18:50:40 GMT -8
On the Tournament being equivalent to a Bowl game, lots of people make that mistake.
10 conferences and 133 teams compete for 82 Bowl spots vs. 32 conferences and a number of teams I can't readily find compete for 68 Tournament spots.
They're not the same, easy to forget.
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 30, 2024 19:46:13 GMT -8
On the Tournament being equivalent to a Bowl game, lots of people make that mistake. 10 conferences and 133 teams compete for 82 Bowl spots vs. 32 conferences and a number of teams I can't readily find compete for 68 Tournament spots. They're not the same, easy to forget. However the true "equivalent" isn't bowls. None except the BCS, and now the CFP lead to a title. Since 2014... Football approximately 131+ teams for (4) berths... or about 3% of the eligible teams; Hoops approximately 350 teams for 64-68 berths... or about18-19% of the eligible teams; The other bowls don't equate to the NCAA tourney. All postseason berths are not created equal. The 12 team CFP will still be under 10% of the teams eligible to play for a "title". But, obviously the two sports are vastly different. Yet really, both have a truly limited number of teams that will ever consistently qualify. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 30, 2024 21:10:36 GMT -8
On the Tournament being equivalent to a Bowl game, lots of people make that mistake. 10 conferences and 133 teams compete for 82 Bowl spots vs. 32 conferences and a number of teams I can't readily find compete for 68 Tournament spots. They're not the same, easy to forget. However the true "equivalent" isn't bowls. None except the BCS, and now the CFP lead to a title. Since 2014... Football approximately 131+ teams for (4) berths... or about 3% of the eligible teams; Hoops approximately 350 teams for 64-68 berths... or about18-19% of the eligible teams; The other bowls don't equate to the NCAA tourney. All postseason berths are not created equal. The 12 team CFP will still be under 10% of the teams eligible to play for a "title". But, obviously the two sports are vastly different. Yet really, both have a truly limited, and number of teams that will ever consistently qualify. OK, I get ya... if you finish out of the top 4 berths in football you're mediocre, and if you finish outside the top 16 or so in basketball your equally sucky. |
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 30, 2024 21:16:24 GMT -8
However the true "equivalent" isn't bowls. None except the BCS, and now the CFP lead to a title. Since 2014... Football approximately 131+ teams for (4) berths... or about 3% of the eligible teams; Hoops approximately 350 teams for 64-68 berths... or about18-19% of the eligible teams; The other bowls don't equate to the NCAA tourney. All postseason berths are not created equal. The 12 team CFP will still be under 10% of the teams eligible to play for a "title". But, obviously the two sports are vastly different. Yet really, both have a truly limited, and number of teams that will ever consistently qualify. OK, I get ya... if you finish out of the top 4 berths in football you're mediocre, and if you finish outside the top 16 or so in basketball your equally sucky. Not sure that's what was said... But, to win a title the other bowl games aren't a factor. So even though more leagues more teams in hoops a larger % of teams actually play in an event that leads to a title |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 30, 2024 21:43:52 GMT -8
OK, I get ya... if you finish out of the top 4 berths in football you're mediocre, and if you finish outside the top 16 or so in basketball your equally sucky. Not sure that's what was said... But, to win a title the other bowl games aren't a factor. So even though more leagues more teams in hoops a larger % of teams actually play in an event that leads to a title I do prefer a playoff system where ever team that gets in has a chance to win... sounds great to me. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Jan 31, 2024 6:43:52 GMT -8
Wilky —
What is “fundamentally wrong and unfair on its face” that the committee failed to account for? I’m really not sure to what you refer? I’m not going to pretend to know exactly how the NET works, but if “its numbes” when crunched come up with the conclusion/ranking, what is fundamentally wrong and unfair about that — or using that as a part of the selection process? I get you obviously don’t feel Big East was better than Pac 12, and the tournament results seems to bear that out, but, again, results weren’t known when selection committee made its picks.
The other thing is not all numbers are created equally. OSU and SJU basically had same noncon SOS with G’town’s worse. But I certainly don’t care (and I’m guessing selection committee goes deeper) whether a team played 7 or 6 teams with NET under 250. Every team plays some real bad teams. First, just can’t lose to those and have to have more good wins to lift things up. So for OSU, SJU and G’town, I looked at noncon games against teams from P6 conferences, noncon losses and results against other teams in those conferences, and noncon games against tournament teams.
Oregon State
N — Missouri — 12th SEC — L
N — TA&M — 11th SEC — L
A — SLU — 6th A-10 —L
H — Kent — 4th Mid-Am — L
H — Pepperdine — 8th WCC —W
N — Old Dominion — NCAA (0-1) — W
St John’s
A — Rutgers — 12th B1G — W
N — Cal — 12th Pac 12 — W
N — GA Tech — 10th ACC -W
N — VCU — 1sr A-10 —W
H — Bowling Green — 3rd Mid-Am — W
Georgetown
A — Illinois — 11th B1G — W
A— Syracuse — 6th ACC — L
H — SMU — 10th AAC — L
N — Loyola-Mary — 5th WCC — L
H — Campbell — NIT (0-1) -- W
H — Liberty — NCAA (1-1) — W
The first thing that jumps out is SJU has no L’s next to its games. That’s because it had no noncon losses. If you’re gonna play a bad noncon schedule, winning all the games is a good way to combat it. That and the VCU and BGSU results compared to losses to lesser teams in those conferences shows me St John’s noncon results were much better than OSU’s. So while the NET ranking for noncon SOS are the same, is there a question the results favored SJU. Maybe that contributed to why they were in NCAA tourney and not Beavs. Georgetown’s noncon results seem pretty similar to Beavs’. They had one less loss and did beat a P6 team, but the SMU loss is probably worse than any of the Beavs losses. They did have 2 wins over tourney teams, including the one of Liberty who won its first game.
As to the middle paragraphs of your post, you lost me when you brought football into it after you literally expressed a problem with others doing just that. Since I hadn’t, not sure what that was about. Then you bring in funding level — again not germane to the discussion we were having.
In final paragraph you say someone needs to keep bringing up this grave injustice done to the Beavers and Pac 12. Ummmmm, do they? It happened over 5 years ago. Can’t we just leave it for the next time there is a perceived “hosing” of the Beavers by the committee?
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