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Post by fridaynightlights on Jan 5, 2024 22:14:05 GMT -8
The bad news is that we will have a less talented roster next season. The good news is that we will play a weaker schedule as Oregon is likely to be the only team on our schedule who will be ranked preseason. Less talented is not a given. The transfer portal may yield some incoming surprises. Some of our younger guys may be very talented but sitting behind experience that is now gone...not to mention, there's another recruiting LOI Day coming up in a month and we finally have our full coaching staff here. The talent may be there, but not as experienced. Nobody will complain next year if the Idaho kid is the next Vernon Adam's or the Transfer QB turns out to be a real talent. Heck, Damien was a 3 star recruit when he got here and we have other 3 star kids coming in, there could be some gems among them. I can remember when the fans were all fretting over having to play a 5'7" 165lb freshman running back nobody had heard of named Simonton. EDIT: Not to mention the fact that minutes ago we just got a commit from a D lineman who has played 9 games for LSU.. 3 years eligibility left. Just sayin'. No, it is not an absoulte given, but it is highly likely that the roster will be less talented. But if thinking otherwise provides hope, I am all in. |
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Post by jimbeav on Jan 6, 2024 7:51:30 GMT -8
OK, I finally got frustrated with all this "whataboutism", and went and looked up all the Alabama transfers.
Out of 14 names that were on the list I looked at that was dated 2 days ago, exactly ONE is a starter. And that's the center, who everybody is pointing fingers at after some bad snaps in the Rose Bowl.
Comparing our transfer situation to other top programs is a false equivalency.
Our entire frickin' starting squad is GONE. Nobody else can say that. Nobody!
As has been pointed out, the transfer portal creates a clear dynamic:
Our top players leave OSU for other programs.
Scrubs leave other programs for OSU.
This broken system is further cementing a stratified hierarchy of haves and have-nots, and leaves little room for us to strike gold with a star player or develop top talent.
I get that we're getting our fair share of incoming replacements. Kudos to Bray for all he's accomplishing.
Bit dammit, as a fan, this sh!t is NO FUN.
I don't just cheer for the OSU uniform, I cheer for the OSU players. I have an emotional connection with Simonton and Hass and Newson and Seigler and the Rodgers brothers and countless others, that I don't dare establish today, because now these guys are just nomads who could up and leave any time.
I enjoyed watching Sione last year, and was excited about watching him wreak havoc next year. This one hurts.
I see this morning we got a transfer DL from LSU. OK, kudos to us. So we're good, right? I say no....my excitement about a player has been replaced with mere curiosity and a wait-and-see attitude.
So much of the emotional draw for us as fans is the anticipation of upcoming games and seasons. Not all of my euphoria over the 2000 season was about kicking ND's ass...a lot of it was over excitement about the future, about where Derek Anderson could take us, about being on an apparent path to having a better program than the ducks, about finally playing on a national stage, about finally getting back to the Rose Bowl...
That we didn't achieve those things didn't matter...it was the HOPE and excitement about them that really mattered, and made following the team and this program fun.
I see little excitement ahead for me as an OSU fan. Bray will do the best he can, and put the best players we have on the field, but they will be a collection of unknown names and stats, for which the most interest I can garner is mild curiosity. And if any of them rise to prominence and greatness, I will cheer them on, but I will hold my emotions in check, because there's a decent chance the good players won't stick around.
The greatness about college football lies in the emotion it generates. And my emotion for this sport is dying. I doubt I'm alone.
Maybe this is just a one-year anomaly, with all the outside changes and coaching change. I hope it is. But yeah, call me a doom and gloomer if you want...but with the way literally EVERYTHING is currently broken around the NIL disease and transfer portal ridiculousness and the conference realignment mess and bowl game futility...you'll just have to excuse me if I emotionally check out for a while.
I have less f'd-up areas of my life to spend energy on...
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Post by sparty on Jan 6, 2024 7:57:35 GMT -8
Dang......I remember a couple weeks ago thinking we did Ok in retaining talent. Not feeling like that at the moment. Someone said retaining the existing coaches we kept was the best thing to do. Maybe they did not like the schedule? |
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Post by sparty on Jan 6, 2024 7:59:57 GMT -8
There was not a coach we were looking at that would have forestalled this. This is about our lack of affiliation w a P4 conference as so many have said. We are in for a complete reset, we shall see what we can pull together in the Spring. My opinion on this has always been that we are just trying to hang around until the realignment has a chance to blow up. I believe there is a reason we have made no commitments to the MW or any other conference (short of a scheduling deal). We have the infrastructure, the fan/alum base and facilities to compete at the top levels (just not at the top level of the top level) so hopefully the rapid changes keep coming and something breaks our way soon. 100% this. 100% added to your 100% |
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Post by rafer on Jan 6, 2024 9:11:50 GMT -8
OK, I finally got frustrated with all this "whataboutism", and went and looked up all the Alabama transfers. Out of 14 names that were on the list I looked at that was dated 2 days ago, exactly ONE is a starter. And that's the center, who everybody is pointing fingers at after some bad snaps in the Rose Bowl. Comparing our transfer situation to other top programs is a false equivalency. Our entire frickin' starting squad is GONE. Nobody else can say that. Nobody! As has been pointed out, the transfer portal creates a clear dynamic: Our top players leave OSU for other programs. Scrubs leave other programs for OSU. This broken system is further cementing a stratified hierarchy of haves and have-nots, and leaves little room for us to strike gold with a star player or develop top talent. I get that we're getting our fair share of incoming replacements. Kudos to Bray for all he's accomplishing. Bit dammit, as a fan, this sh!t is NO FUN. I don't just cheer for the OSU uniform, I cheer for the OSU players. I have an emotional connection with Simonton and Hass and Newson and Seigler and the Rodgers brothers and countless others, that I don't dare establish today, because now these guys are just nomads who could up and leave any time. I enjoyed watching Sione last year, and was excited about watching him wreak havoc next year. This one hurts. I see this morning we got a transfer DL from LSU. OK, kudos to us. So we're good, right? I say no....my excitement about a player has been replaced with mere curiosity and a wait-and-see attitude. So much of the emotional draw for us as fans is the anticipation of upcoming games and seasons. Not all of my euphoria over the 2000 season was about kicking ND's ass...a lot of it was over excitement about the future, about where Derek Anderson could take us, about being on an apparent path to having a better program than the ducks, about finally playing on a national stage, about finally getting back to the Rose Bowl... That we didn't achieve those things didn't matter...it was the HOPE and excitement about them that really mattered, and made following the team and this program fun. I see little excitement ahead for me as an OSU fan. Bray will do the best he can, and put the best players we have on the field, but they will be a collection of unknown names and stats, for which the most interest I can garner is mild curiosity. And if any of them rise to prominence and greatness, I will cheer them on, but I will hold my emotions in check, because there's a decent chance the good players won't stick around. The greatness about college football lies in the emotion it generates. And my emotion for this sport is dying. I doubt I'm alone. Maybe this is just a one-year anomaly, with all the outside changes and coaching change. I hope it is. But yeah, call me a doom and gloomer if you want...but with the way literally EVERYTHING is currently broken around the NIL disease and transfer portal ridiculousness and the conference realignment mess and bowl game futility...you'll just have to excuse me if I emotionally check out for a while. I have less f'd-up areas of my life to spend energy on... An honest assessment, of course the "everything is great crowd" will point out how totally negative you are!! Your points are well taken if anyone bothers to see who is leaving and what we're getting for replacements. Some will hopefully rise to the occasion and perform at a new level, we all hope for that, but I don't think we are getting many starters from other teams (excepting Buff linemen from the worst OL in the PAC). It's hard to stay on the "everything is positive" side of things if one takes the time to see who we are getting, AND we all hope the past doesn't predict the future. Good luck coach Bray and team, we're ALL going to be tested. |
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Post by grackle on Jan 6, 2024 9:52:20 GMT -8
Don't forget that a lot (but not all) of our problems center around everybody's displaced faith in Jonathan Smith. Turns out the guy had the loyalty and reliability of a cheap streetwalker. He was being paid by OSU while he was undoubtedly making arrangements to defect to MSU long before our season was over. This would explain the virtually overnight mass migration to MSU of almost our entire coaching staff as well as transfer of many of our best players to MSU.
Had Barnes been aware of what Smith was up to I'm sure he would have forbidden him from trespassing onto OSU athletic facilities for the last month of the season. We might have played better in the last few games and have had a better shot at stemming the mass migration of what constituted most our team last year.
You'd have a hard time finding an example of any other head coach ever doing so much profound damage (and at such a critical time) as Jonathan Smith has visited upon Oregon State.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jan 6, 2024 10:05:26 GMT -8
Dang......I remember a couple weeks ago thinking we did Ok in retaining talent. Not feeling like that at the moment. Someone said retaining the existing coaches we kept was the best thing to do. Maybe they did not like the schedule? These kids now have a market value. And even if we are offering similar money, the determining factor for a lot of kids will be playing at a higher level of college football. |
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Post by gnawitall on Jan 6, 2024 10:06:25 GMT -8
Don't forget that a lot (but not all) of our problems center around everybody's displaced faith in Jonathan Smith. Turns out the guy had the loyalty and reliability of a cheap streetwalker. He was being paid by OSU while he was undoubtedly making arrangements to defect to MSU long before our season was over. This would explain the virtually overnight mass migration to MSU of almost our entire coaching staff as well as transfer of many of our best players to MSU. Had Barnes been aware of what Smith was up to I'm sure he would have forbidden him from trespassing onto OSU athletic facilities for the last month of the season. We might have played better in the last few games and have had a better shot at stemming the mass migration of what constituted most our team last year. You'd have a hard time finding an example of any other head coach ever doing so much profound damage (and at such a critical time) as Jonathan Smith has visited upon Oregon State.  |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jan 6, 2024 10:13:13 GMT -8
Don't forget that a lot (but not all) of our problems center around everybody's displaced faith in Jonathan Smith. Turns out the guy had the loyalty and reliability of a cheap streetwalker. He was being paid by OSU while he was undoubtedly making arrangements to defect to MSU long before our season was over. This would explain the virtually overnight mass migration to MSU of almost our entire coaching staff as well as transfer of many of our best players to MSU. Had Barnes been aware of what Smith was up to I'm sure he would have forbidden him from trespassing onto OSU athletic facilities for the last month of the season. We might have played better in the last few games and have had a better shot at stemming the mass migration of what constituted most our team last year. You'd have a hard time finding an example of any other head coach ever doing so much profound damage (and at such a critical time) as Jonathan Smith has visited upon Oregon State. I don't disagree, but the reality is, many in the program still chose him even after he showed that he gives two s%#ts about his alma mater. Welcome to the new world of college football, where it's literally all about a bag of money, no loyalty, and a widening gap between the haves and, have nots. I liked to believe that he who shall not be named was different. He is not. If anything he is an unwanted walk on that nobody wants. He is driven to prove em all wrong. I think that's what drives him. We were just a stepping stone (twice) for his true ambitions. I just hope we are never in a position to welcome him back if he goes on his adventure and fails.....he is not the prodigal son. |
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jan 6, 2024 13:32:00 GMT -8
Don't forget that a lot (but not all) of our problems center around everybody's displaced faith in Jonathan Smith. Turns out the guy had the loyalty and reliability of a cheap streetwalker. He was being paid by OSU while he was undoubtedly making arrangements to defect to MSU long before our season was over. This would explain the virtually overnight mass migration to MSU of almost our entire coaching staff as well as transfer of many of our best players to MSU. Had Barnes been aware of what Smith was up to I'm sure he would have forbidden him from trespassing onto OSU athletic facilities for the last month of the season. We might have played better in the last few games and have had a better shot at stemming the mass migration of what constituted most our team last year. You'd have a hard time finding an example of any other head coach ever doing so much profound damage (and at such a critical time) as Jonathan Smith has visited upon Oregon State. I don't disagree, but the reality is, many in the program still chose him even after he showed that he gives two s%#ts about his alma mater. Welcome to the new world of college football, where it's literally all about a bag of money, no loyalty, and a widening gap between the haves and, have nots. I liked to believe that he who shall not be named was different. He is not. If anything he is an unwanted walk on that nobody wants. He is driven to prove em all wrong. I think that's what drives him. We were just a stepping stone (twice) for his true ambitions. I just hope we are never in a position to welcome him back if he goes on his adventure and fails.....he is not the prodigal son. The saga of coach GotMilk is also playing out on the larger stage sweeping society, I believe..... It's when the current OSU sports commercial points out that our success was "Built, not Bought". The reality is, most upleveling, success, improvement seems to be bought these days, not built. Look at Colorado - football in the doldrums, brought in Neon Dion. Instant attention and "moving of the needles" of the key metrics - TV engagement, visibility, merchandise etc. In order for the "bought, not built" system to work, you need carpetbaggers like GotMilk in the system. Those new coaches, new players, have got to come from somewhere. The more respectable cloak you can put on these "disloyal" transactions the better. You want your new hire to have sources of talent to tap to provide instant success, because that is what you are trying to buy. I have seen the same thing play out in Corporate America repeatedly. My company grows and invests in a talent for some new, emerging tech. That talent sniffs out greener grass elsewhere and spends some of their time and energy while working for the company engineering a "soft landing" at the new spot, with better pay and prospects. Then they inevitably start wooing those in their orbit because in their heart of hearts they know their success was not earned singlehandedly, and they want to feel better about themselves by claiming to have improved the lot of their colleagues - sadly, but the only metric they understand, money. Some remain behind to build or rebuild, the others have simply been bought. Not sure if those opportunists feel bad or cheap...... Go Beavers! |
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Post by grayman on Jan 6, 2024 13:59:29 GMT -8
OK, I finally got frustrated with all this "whataboutism", and went and looked up all the Alabama transfers. Out of 14 names that were on the list I looked at that was dated 2 days ago, exactly ONE is a starter. And that's the center, who everybody is pointing fingers at after some bad snaps in the Rose Bowl. Comparing our transfer situation to other top programs is a false equivalency. Our entire frickin' starting squad is GONE. Nobody else can say that. Nobody! As has been pointed out, the transfer portal creates a clear dynamic: Our top players leave OSU for other programs. Scrubs leave other programs for OSU. This broken system is further cementing a stratified hierarchy of haves and have-nots, and leaves little room for us to strike gold with a star player or develop top talent. I get that we're getting our fair share of incoming replacements. Kudos to Bray for all he's accomplishing. Bit dammit, as a fan, this sh!t is NO FUN. I don't just cheer for the OSU uniform, I cheer for the OSU players. I have an emotional connection with Simonton and Hass and Newson and Seigler and the Rodgers brothers and countless others, that I don't dare establish today, because now these guys are just nomads who could up and leave any time. I enjoyed watching Sione last year, and was excited about watching him wreak havoc next year. This one hurts. I see this morning we got a transfer DL from LSU. OK, kudos to us. So we're good, right? I say no....my excitement about a player has been replaced with mere curiosity and a wait-and-see attitude. So much of the emotional draw for us as fans is the anticipation of upcoming games and seasons. Not all of my euphoria over the 2000 season was about kicking ND's ass...a lot of it was over excitement about the future, about where Derek Anderson could take us, about being on an apparent path to having a better program than the ducks, about finally playing on a national stage, about finally getting back to the Rose Bowl... That we didn't achieve those things didn't matter...it was the HOPE and excitement about them that really mattered, and made following the team and this program fun. I see little excitement ahead for me as an OSU fan. Bray will do the best he can, and put the best players we have on the field, but they will be a collection of unknown names and stats, for which the most interest I can garner is mild curiosity. And if any of them rise to prominence and greatness, I will cheer them on, but I will hold my emotions in check, because there's a decent chance the good players won't stick around.
The greatness about college football lies in the emotion it generates. And my emotion for this sport is dying. I doubt I'm alone.
Maybe this is just a one-year anomaly, with all the outside changes and coaching change. I hope it is. But yeah, call me a doom and gloomer if you want...but with the way literally EVERYTHING is currently broken around the NIL disease and transfer portal ridiculousness and the conference realignment mess and bowl game futility...you'll just have to excuse me if I emotionally check out for a while.I have less f'd-up areas of my life to spend energy on... I totally get where you're coming from and agree with the vast majority of this post. Where we kind of differ is that I have a lot of excitement about the Beavers and what they might be able to do under Bray for the next two years. And that includes what he has been able to do in the portal to this point and hopefully in the spring. This absolutely a one-year anomaly as far as losing a coach, some staff and players to MSU, 10 teams leaving the Pac and the effects of the NIL and portal. The future after the next two years? Well, who knows. And I do have some grave concerns about the NIL and portal but I will say that the problems that have been caused have not escaped the notice of every other school. And I believe enough people know that it will cause college football to crash and burn unless something is done. |
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Post by beaverology on Jan 10, 2024 13:04:05 GMT -8
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Post by lebaneaver on Jan 10, 2024 16:17:34 GMT -8
OK, I finally got frustrated with all this "whataboutism", and went and looked up all the Alabama transfers. Out of 14 names that were on the list I looked at that was dated 2 days ago, exactly ONE is a starter. And that's the center, who everybody is pointing fingers at after some bad snaps in the Rose Bowl. Comparing our transfer situation to other top programs is a false equivalency. Our entire frickin' starting squad is GONE. Nobody else can say that. Nobody! As has been pointed out, the transfer portal creates a clear dynamic: Our top players leave OSU for other programs. Scrubs leave other programs for OSU. This broken system is further cementing a stratified hierarchy of haves and have-nots, and leaves little room for us to strike gold with a star player or develop top talent. I get that we're getting our fair share of incoming replacements. Kudos to Bray for all he's accomplishing. Bit dammit, as a fan, this sh!t is NO FUN. I don't just cheer for the OSU uniform, I cheer for the OSU players. I have an emotional connection with Simonton and Hass and Newson and Seigler and the Rodgers brothers and countless others, that I don't dare establish today, because now these guys are just nomads who could up and leave any time. I enjoyed watching Sione last year, and was excited about watching him wreak havoc next year. This one hurts. I see this morning we got a transfer DL from LSU. OK, kudos to us. So we're good, right? I say no....my excitement about a player has been replaced with mere curiosity and a wait-and-see attitude. So much of the emotional draw for us as fans is the anticipation of upcoming games and seasons. Not all of my euphoria over the 2000 season was about kicking ND's ass...a lot of it was over excitement about the future, about where Derek Anderson could take us, about being on an apparent path to having a better program than the ducks, about finally playing on a national stage, about finally getting back to the Rose Bowl... That we didn't achieve those things didn't matter...it was the HOPE and excitement about them that really mattered, and made following the team and this program fun. I see little excitement ahead for me as an OSU fan. Bray will do the best he can, and put the best players we have on the field, but they will be a collection of unknown names and stats, for which the most interest I can garner is mild curiosity. And if any of them rise to prominence and greatness, I will cheer them on, but I will hold my emotions in check, because there's a decent chance the good players won't stick around. The greatness about college football lies in the emotion it generates. And my emotion for this sport is dying. I doubt I'm alone. Maybe this is just a one-year anomaly, with all the outside changes and coaching change. I hope it is. But yeah, call me a doom and gloomer if you want...but with the way literally EVERYTHING is currently broken around the NIL disease and transfer portal ridiculousness and the conference realignment mess and bowl game futility...you'll just have to excuse me if I emotionally check out for a while. I have less f'd-up areas of my life to spend energy on... You are not alone, sir. I’ve talked to many REAL Beaver fans, who are taking a hiatus from being emotionally involved. Taking a wait and see attitude regarding all this s%#t. These are people who lived through AND supported the Beavs in the dark ages. |
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