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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 5, 2024 14:50:48 GMT -8
I will be interested to see what happens next year, after the players have had an entire season under our new circumstances.
Opposing recruiters are using our current, rather uncertain, status against us now, in essence employing what was known as "block busting" in the 1960s and 1970s. Unscrupulous real estate agents went into stable neighborhoods and put the fear of God into homeowners that their houses would soon be worthless under new laws that made housing available to all, so they'd better sell ASAP.
Other teams are "block busting" our players and preying on the uncertainty surrounding our team. Our status will be much more stable after next season.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 5, 2024 15:51:47 GMT -8
The bad news is that we will have a less talented roster next season. The good news is that we will play a weaker schedule as Oregon is likely to be the only team on our schedule who will be ranked preseason. Less talented is not a given. The transfer portal may yield some incoming surprises. Some of our younger guys may be very talented but sitting behind experience that is now gone...not to mention, there's another recruiting LOI Day coming up in a month and we finally have our full coaching staff here. The talent may be there, but not as experienced. Nobody will complain next year if the Idaho kid is the next Vernon Adam's or the Transfer QB turns out to be a real talent. Heck, Damien was a 3 star recruit when he got here and we have other 3 star kids coming in, there could be some gems among them. I can remember when the fans were all fretting over having to play a 5'7" 165lb freshman running back nobody had heard of named Simonton. EDIT: Not to mention the fact that minutes ago we just got a commit from a D lineman who has played 9 games for LSU.. 3 years eligibility left. Just sayin'.
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 5, 2024 15:59:19 GMT -8
I mean, ultimately the playing field is largely level. We would have lots of time for hand-wringing if OSU was disproportionately affected but hell even Alabama had a mass exodus for the portal. Everybody is dealing with the same thing by and large. I would disagree. The playing field was not level going into the current era of the out of control portal and NIL, therefore it is not level now. You have the top tier money schools. Then you have a middle tier, which is where OSU has been (and hopefully will continue to be). Then you have the G5 schools and on down the line. Programs like Alabama are far more well equipped to lose players because it has the resources to replace those players and continue to build. It's not killing the Alabamas and Ohio States and Oklahomas of the college football world. It is a much bigger burden on the Iowa States and Kansas States and Georgia Techs that don't have the big bankrolls or as many deep-pocketed boosters. That includes Oregon State. If Smith had not bailed and the Pac-12 had stayed intact, I believe that OSU would have been in a better spot to weather the storm. No doubt there would have been personnel losses, but not to this degree. So the big key for OSU moving forward is for Bray to continue to do as good as possible through the portal, etc., through this offseason and then get down to business from a much better spot next year. The biggest key from a national standpoint is to find a way to rein in all this NIL/portal craziness with some specific parameters. I guess this all depends on the lens that you are viewing things through, in my opinion you are taking an unnecessarily negative position. Of course I did not mean that Oregon State is on a level playing field with Texas, Ohio State etc in terms of resources and ability to recruit. Never has been, never will be. But that's not what we are talking about here. When I said that the playing field is "largely level" it means that there are only 22 starting spots on any team no matter how many resources they have. Everyone is losing players to the portal. Everyone is getting players from the portal. Saying that it is "largely level" means that OSU holds (still) an enormous advantage over G5 schools, and out of 133 schools in FBS Division 1 football, Oregon State is at worst middle of the pack. From "our" perspective, seeing that some schools are markedly better and some schools are markedly worse and we are somewhere in the middle is exactly what I mean by "largely level".
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jan 5, 2024 16:34:07 GMT -8
That's another tough one. Guy was the most fun to watch on the line. Crowded area of the roster but he was poised for a monster year against G5 schedule.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jan 5, 2024 16:36:07 GMT -8
I thought I heard the defense loved Bray. Arnold, macarenas, lolohea, Mccoy. They can love Bray and also want to get paid. Arnold probably didn't have a shot in the pros, Mascarenas does but he plays in one of the highest attrition slots on the field, Jarmod went to TN and probably got paid more than some of the coaching staff and expect Sione and Silas to go to big time programs for big time cash.
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Post by grayman on Jan 5, 2024 16:57:02 GMT -8
I would disagree. The playing field was not level going into the current era of the out of control portal and NIL, therefore it is not level now. You have the top tier money schools. Then you have a middle tier, which is where OSU has been (and hopefully will continue to be). Then you have the G5 schools and on down the line. Programs like Alabama are far more well equipped to lose players because it has the resources to replace those players and continue to build. It's not killing the Alabamas and Ohio States and Oklahomas of the college football world. It is a much bigger burden on the Iowa States and Kansas States and Georgia Techs that don't have the big bankrolls or as many deep-pocketed boosters. That includes Oregon State. If Smith had not bailed and the Pac-12 had stayed intact, I believe that OSU would have been in a better spot to weather the storm. No doubt there would have been personnel losses, but not to this degree. So the big key for OSU moving forward is for Bray to continue to do as good as possible through the portal, etc., through this offseason and then get down to business from a much better spot next year. The biggest key from a national standpoint is to find a way to rein in all this NIL/portal craziness with some specific parameters. I guess this all depends on the lens that you are viewing things through, in my opinion you are taking an unnecessarily negative position. Of course I did not mean that Oregon State is on a level playing field with Texas, Ohio State etc in terms of resources and ability to recruit. Never has been, never will be. But that's not what we are talking about here. When I said that the playing field is "largely level" it means that there are only 22 starting spots on any team no matter how many resources they have. Everyone is losing players to the portal. Everyone is getting players from the portal. Saying that it is "largely level" means that OSU holds (still) an enormous advantage over G5 schools, and out of 133 schools in FBS Division 1 football, Oregon State is at worst middle of the pack. From "our" perspective, seeing that some schools are markedly better and some schools are markedly worse and we are somewhere in the middle is exactly what I mean by "largely level". Why do you think OSU holds an enormous advantage over G5 schools? Money. Why do schools like Alabama hold an enormous advantage over OSU? Money. You're not even contradicting me when you say Oregon State is at worse middle of the pack. I said they were in the middle tier. I don't disagree with anything you said in the second paragraph here if that's what you mean by largely level.
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 5, 2024 17:17:05 GMT -8
I guess this all depends on the lens that you are viewing things through, in my opinion you are taking an unnecessarily negative position. Of course I did not mean that Oregon State is on a level playing field with Texas, Ohio State etc in terms of resources and ability to recruit. Never has been, never will be. But that's not what we are talking about here. When I said that the playing field is "largely level" it means that there are only 22 starting spots on any team no matter how many resources they have. Everyone is losing players to the portal. Everyone is getting players from the portal. Saying that it is "largely level" means that OSU holds (still) an enormous advantage over G5 schools, and out of 133 schools in FBS Division 1 football, Oregon State is at worst middle of the pack. From "our" perspective, seeing that some schools are markedly better and some schools are markedly worse and we are somewhere in the middle is exactly what I mean by "largely level". Why do you think OSU holds an enormous advantage over G5 schools? Money. Why do schools like Alabama hold an enormous advantage over OSU? Money. You're not even contradicting me when you say Oregon State is at worse middle of the pack. I said they were in the middle tier. I don't disagree with anything you said in the second paragraph here if that's what you mean by largely level. I was just trying to convey that there's only so much playing time to mete out and not having a conference is not putting Oregon State into a uniquely terrible position relative to the rest of the college football world.
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Post by grayman on Jan 5, 2024 17:19:27 GMT -8
I will be interested to see what happens next year, after the players have had an entire season under our new circumstances. Opposing recruiters are using our current, rather uncertain, status against us now, in essence employing what was known as "block busting" in the 1960s and 1970s. Unscrupulous real estate agents went into stable neighborhoods and put the fear of God into homeowners that their houses would soon be worthless under new laws that made housing available to all, so they'd better sell ASAP. Other teams are "block busting" our players and preying on the uncertainty surrounding our team. Our status will be much more stable after next season. Yep. I agree with this entire post but the big point is in bold. I absolutely think that Bray is doing a really good job in rebuilding the roster. I think he'll really be freed up to build up the team in the following offseason. It doesn't change the situation the Beavers are in at the moment or the very real possibility that the team he is able to put on the field won't be as strong (at least in some areas) as OSU's last two were. But the Beavers will also be playing a significantly easier schedule.
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Post by grayman on Jan 5, 2024 17:26:06 GMT -8
Why do you think OSU holds an enormous advantage over G5 schools? Money. Why do schools like Alabama hold an enormous advantage over OSU? Money. You're not even contradicting me when you say Oregon State is at worse middle of the pack. I said they were in the middle tier. I don't disagree with anything you said in the second paragraph here if that's what you mean by largely level. I was just trying to convey that there's only so much playing time to mete out and not having a conference is not putting Oregon State into a uniquely terrible position relative to the rest of the college football world. Yeah, I would say the position is definitely unique and not a positive but probably not terrible. The likelihood of winning a fair number of games against next year's scheduled opponents (at least IMO) is a big part of it. As I've said in other posts, I believe Bray is doing a very good job of bringing in guys to play given the circumstances.
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Post by avidbeaver on Jan 5, 2024 19:06:26 GMT -8
Right, including Bray. Except with Bray, one of the primary narratives was that he would mitigate mass transfers. Didn’t happen. So was he, and his inexperienced staff, the right choice? Or should we have hired someone with a successful history and more substantial coaching tree? Is it wise to reset with a HC and two coordinators who literally have never held those positions before? We had 10 guys enter the portal. Compare that to any other program. That is not "mass" transferring. Alabama has 9 players in the portal including this years starting center. Ten players in the portal is hardly panic time. In fact that is a pretty small amount of players in the portal considering the turnover in coaches.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jan 5, 2024 19:33:22 GMT -8
I thought I heard the defense loved Bray. Arnold, macarenas, lolohea, Mccoy. They can love Bray and also want to get paid. Arnold probably didn't have a shot in the pros, Mascarenas does but he plays in one of the highest attrition slots on the field, Jarmod went to TN and probably got paid more than some of the coaching staff and expect Sione and Silas to go to big time programs for big time cash. I wish the kid luck...but we've had so many other LBs recently who crushed at OSU and didn't make a dent in the NFL.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 5, 2024 19:46:36 GMT -8
We had 10 guys enter the portal. Compare that to any other program. That is not "mass" transferring. Alabama has 9 players in the portal including this years starting center. Ten players in the portal is hardly panic time. In fact that is a pretty small amount of players in the portal considering the turnover in coaches. Alabama has more than nine in the portal.
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 5, 2024 19:47:56 GMT -8
Alabama has 9 players in the portal including this years starting center. Ten players in the portal is hardly panic time. In fact that is a pretty small amount of players in the portal considering the turnover in coaches. Alabama has more than nine in the portal. I believe I saw 9 in 15 minutes after the bowl loss?!
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 5, 2024 20:13:14 GMT -8
Alabama has 9 players in the portal including this years starting center. Ten players in the portal is hardly panic time. In fact that is a pretty small amount of players in the portal considering the turnover in coaches. Alabama has more than nine in the portal. Just saw an article showing 16 players into the transfer portal from Alabama since December 4th
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Post by avidbeaver on Jan 5, 2024 20:16:12 GMT -8
Alabama has more than nine in the portal. I believe I saw 9 in 15 minutes after the bowl loss?! Yep that is what it was, I didn't read it correctly. Nine after bowl loss.
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