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Post by beaverology on Jan 5, 2024 10:23:31 GMT -8
Why would anyone be mad at DJ? Lolohea made up his own mind to enter the portal. Once he did, why wouldn't DJ want him to come to FSU? It's not personal Sonny, it's strictly business.
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Post by beavitornot on Jan 5, 2024 10:27:58 GMT -8
There was not a coach we were looking at that would have forestalled this. This is about our lack of affiliation w a P4 conference as so many have said. We are in for a complete reset, we shall see what we can pull together in the Spring. My opinion on this has always been that we are just trying to hang around until the realignment has a chance to blow up. I believe there is a reason we have made no commitments to the MW or any other conference (short of a scheduling deal). We have the infrastructure, the fan/alum base and facilities to compete at the top levels (just not at the top level of the top level) so hopefully the rapid changes keep coming and something breaks our way soon. 100% this. Right, including Bray. Except with Bray, one of the primary narratives was that he would mitigate mass transfers. Didn’t happen. So was he, and his inexperienced staff, the right choice? Or should we have hired someone with a successful history and more substantial coaching tree? Is it wise to reset with a HC and two coordinators who literally have never held those positions before?
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 5, 2024 10:33:23 GMT -8
Right, including Bray. Except with Bray, one of the primary narratives was that he would mitigate mass transfers. Didn’t happen. So was he, and his inexperienced staff, the right choice? Or should we have hired someone with a successful history and more substantial coaching tree? Is it wise to reset with a HC and two coordinators who literally have never held those positions before? We had 10 guys enter the portal. Compare that to any other program. That is not "mass" transferring.
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 5, 2024 10:37:00 GMT -8
Right, including Bray. Except with Bray, one of the primary narratives was that he would mitigate mass transfers. Didn’t happen. So was he, and his inexperienced staff, the right choice? Or should we have hired someone with a successful history and more substantial coaching tree? Is it wise to reset with a HC and two coordinators who literally have never held those positions before? We had 9 guys enter the portal. Compare that to any other program. That is not "mass" transferring. Couldn't have said it better. Given the situation at Oregon State and not having a conference to belong to, all the uncertainty that comes along with being at Oregon State... 9 guys is an absolute victory and Bray did what we hoped he would do: slow the bleeding. Absolutely nobody is going to stop the bleeding.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 5, 2024 10:38:12 GMT -8
We had 9 guys enter the portal. Compare that to any other program. That is not "mass" transferring. Couldn't have said it better. Given the situation at Oregon State and not having a conference to belong to, all the uncertainty that comes along with being at Oregon State... 9 guys is an absolute victory and Bray did what we hoped he would do: slow the bleeding. Absolutely nobody is going to stop the bleeding. I corrected it to 10. They don't have Miller in there yet, but yes, I think it would have been 25+ without keeping Bray.
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Post by beavitornot on Jan 5, 2024 10:43:17 GMT -8
Quality over quantity. Every guy we’ve lost has been a crucial piece and starter. There’s one starter left on defense. To focus on the number is cognitive dissonance.
Schools that lose more tend to lose guys looking for playtime. We are losing the core of our team. Silly to compare.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 5, 2024 10:49:10 GMT -8
Quality over quantity. Every guy we’ve lost has been a crucial piece and starter. There’s one starter left on defense. To focus on the number is cognitive dissonance. Schools that lose more tend to lose guys looking for playtime. We are losing the core of our team. Silly to compare. So the OU and the Ohio St. starting QB's left for playing time? Kids leave for many different reasons. We also had 6 seniors on the starting defense. Not all of them went in the portal. Our D was going to be a rebuild even without losing guys to the portal.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jan 5, 2024 10:50:48 GMT -8
I thought OSU has an NIL collective? Or can we just not compete at the $$$ these kids are getting offers?
Seems to me OSU still has a lot to offer. A decent schedule, an easier path to the 12 team tourney. But more than anything the opportunity to showcase their skills and play right away.
Some of these kids leaving gonna find out the grass ain't always greener.
Oh well, kids gotta do what they think is best for their future. I have 100% faith in Bray and every coach and kid that has committed to OSU in light of the dumpster fire we got buried in.
Go Beavs!
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 5, 2024 10:55:03 GMT -8
Quality over quantity. Every guy we’ve lost has been a crucial piece and starter. There’s one starter left on defense. To focus on the number is cognitive dissonance. Schools that lose more tend to lose guys looking for playtime. We are losing the core of our team. Silly to compare. uh.. what? Are you just not paying attention? Across the country guys are capitalizing on what is essentially a free agent market to grab a bag of cash. Are there guys entering the portal who don't command a big NIL deal and are just looking for a chance to play, of course. But make no mistake, NIL opportunity is driving talent into the transfer portal much more than playing time.
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Post by grayman on Jan 5, 2024 10:55:17 GMT -8
The Beavers have lost pretty much all the starters from 2023. The Beavers were already losing quite a few seniors with no eligibility left and some players who are taking a shot at the NFL. Losing 10 is almost everyone who was left. It is nothing to crow about. Just the opposite. Like others, I was hoping the Bray hire was going to help alleviate this. It did not. The only good thing is most of OSU's reserve players seemingly aren't of interest to other programs. And Bray and his staff have done fairly well in landing a big chunk of a new roster. Spin it all you want. This is not a good situation.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 5, 2024 11:00:59 GMT -8
The Beavers have lost pretty much all the starters from 2023. The Beavers were already losing quite a few seniors with no eligibility left and some players who are taking a shot at the NFL. Losing 10 is almost everyone who was left. It is nothing to crow about. Just the opposite. Like others, I was hoping the Bray hire was going to help alleviate this. It did not. The only good thing is most of OSU's reserve players seemingly aren't of interest to other programs. And Bray and his staff have done fairly well in landing a big chunk of a new roster. Spin it all you want. This is not a good situation. I'm not saying it's a good situation. I'm just saying it would have been much worse if you didn't hire Bray.
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Post by grayman on Jan 5, 2024 11:04:47 GMT -8
The Beavers have lost pretty much all the starters from 2023. The Beavers were already losing quite a few seniors with no eligibility left and some players who are taking a shot at the NFL. Losing 10 is almost everyone who was left. It is nothing to crow about. Just the opposite. Like others, I was hoping the Bray hire was going to help alleviate this. It did not. The only good thing is most of OSU's reserve players seemingly aren't of interest to other programs. And Bray and his staff have done fairly well in landing a big chunk of a new roster. Spin it all you want. This is not a good situation. I'm not saying it's a good situation. I'm just saying it would have been much worse if you didn't hire Bray. From the standpoint that he's doing a good (potentially great job) in rebuilding the roster, for sure.
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 5, 2024 11:08:23 GMT -8
The Beavers have lost pretty much all the starters from 2023. The Beavers were already losing quite a few seniors with no eligibility left and some players who are taking a shot at the NFL. Losing 10 is almost everyone who was left. It is nothing to crow about. Just the opposite. Like others, I was hoping the Bray hire was going to help alleviate this. It did not. The only good thing is most of OSU's reserve players seemingly aren't of interest to other programs. And Bray and his staff have done fairly well in landing a big chunk of a new roster. Spin it all you want. This is not a good situation. It's not a good situation but it's also not as bad as some are painting it to be. OSU is not in a vacuum where they are the only D1 team that is losing talent to the portal. Every single team has more turnover these days than ever ever before. Every team has fewer returning starters than ever before. Guys are opting for the NFL with regularity now. It wasn't that long ago that if you were an underclassman at Oregon State you didn't leave early for the NFL, unless you were a Heisman-contender level talent. When SJack declared as a junior, it wasn't a total shock but it was definitely breaking precedent. But hey, he was inarguably a 1st round talent according to pretty much anybody with a set of eyeballs. Then when Quizz left early, it signaled kind of a new shift. Guys were leaving early to get selected in the 4th or 5th round with much more frequency. It no longer seems to be a case of guys staying unless they were a 1st day pick, now they're leaving if they think they're going to just get a fair shot at the NFL level. NIL has put a little dent in that because now guys are staying in college and getting paid for it for another year. It's not a good situation, but it's not a catastrophe relevant to the rest of the college football world either.
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Post by jrbeavo on Jan 5, 2024 11:15:03 GMT -8
Right, including Bray. Except with Bray, one of the primary narratives was that he would mitigate mass transfers. Didn’t happen. So was he, and his inexperienced staff, the right choice? Or should we have hired someone with a successful history and more substantial coaching tree? Is it wise to reset with a HC and two coordinators who literally have never held those positions before? That is a fair question, but I like having a bunch of Beavs at the helm right now. We need people who care about this in deeds and not just words. I think Bray was the good choice and I am anxious to see what he and his staff (especially KHJ) can pull out of their hat the next few months. We put these coaches together at the right price, I am confident it will be a good fit.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 5, 2024 11:16:44 GMT -8
Right, including Bray. Except with Bray, one of the primary narratives was that he would mitigate mass transfers. Didn’t happen. So was he, and his inexperienced staff, the right choice? Or should we have hired someone with a successful history and more substantial coaching tree? Is it wise to reset with a HC and two coordinators who literally have never held those positions before? That is a fair question, but I like having a bunch of Beavs at the helm right now. We need people who care about this in deeds and not just words. I think Bray was the good choice and I am anxious to see what he and his staff (especially KHJ) can pull out of their hat the next few months. We put these coaches together at the right price, I am confident it will be a good fit. Did you forget that KH lost his johnson?
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