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Post by beaverology on Jan 5, 2024 11:17:00 GMT -8
With Bray watching over things and Lolo, McCoy and the Arnold Bros returning, i felt okay about our defense in 2024. Right now, I don't have a good feeling. But, there isn't really a choice. Replacing 10 starters is gonna be trial by fire. And we're gonna get burned a little.
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Post by jrbeavo on Jan 5, 2024 11:19:39 GMT -8
That is a fair question, but I like having a bunch of Beavs at the helm right now. We need people who care about this in deeds and not just words. I think Bray was the good choice and I am anxious to see what he and his staff (especially KHJ) can pull out of their hat the next few months. We put these coaches together at the right price, I am confident it will be a good fit. Did you forget that KH lost his johnson? good heavens, I did not. Poor guy. Well, I hope Keith Heyward can find his special purpose.
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Post by grayman on Jan 5, 2024 11:26:41 GMT -8
The Beavers have lost pretty much all the starters from 2023. The Beavers were already losing quite a few seniors with no eligibility left and some players who are taking a shot at the NFL. Losing 10 is almost everyone who was left. It is nothing to crow about. Just the opposite. Like others, I was hoping the Bray hire was going to help alleviate this. It did not. The only good thing is most of OSU's reserve players seemingly aren't of interest to other programs. And Bray and his staff have done fairly well in landing a big chunk of a new roster. Spin it all you want. This is not a good situation. It's not a good situation but it's also not as bad as some are painting it to be. OSU is not in a vacuum where they are the only D1 team that is losing talent to the portal. Every single team has more turnover these days than ever ever before. Every team has fewer returning starters than ever before. Guys are opting for the NFL with regularity now. It wasn't that long ago that if you were an underclassman at Oregon State you didn't leave early for the NFL, unless you were a Heisman-contender level talent. When SJack declared as a junior, it wasn't a total shock but it was definitely breaking precedent. But hey, he was inarguably a 1st round talent according to pretty much anybody with a set of eyeballs. Then when Quizz left early, it signaled kind of a new shift. Guys were leaving early to get selected in the 4th or 5th round with much more frequency. It no longer seems to be a case of guys staying unless they were a 1st day pick, now they're leaving if they think they're going to just get a fair shot at the NFL level. NIL has put a little dent in that because now guys are staying in college and getting paid for it for another year. It's not a good situation, but it's not a catastrophe relevant to the rest of the college football world either. I wouldn't call it a catastrophe, mainly because I believe Bray and the new staff are up to the challenge of a rebuild. With all the senior and NFL losses, there was going to be a significant rebuild anyway. All this stuff just made it an even bigger one. Yes, we are entering a new era in which the NIL and portal are just going wild and unchecked (my hope is that some parameters will be put in place in the near future). But the fact that JS left for MSU has been a huge factor in this. And IMO, the end of the old Pac-12 which left the Pac-2 is as well. It's a very unfortunate confluence of events that affects OSU and OSU alone for this offseason.
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Post by speakthetruth on Jan 5, 2024 11:37:20 GMT -8
People understandably are concerned about those leaving that would have been starters this next year. I am as concerned and probably more so about the high school recruits that were committed and decided to go elsewhere. Some of those high school guys would have been backups next year and starters in a year or two. Sure we recruited a 4 star receiver and hopefully Durant and connington sign next month. But the loss of the high school recruits is going to hurt in a couple of years.
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 5, 2024 11:41:35 GMT -8
Read the article in the opinion section of the Washington post written bye George Will. It points out the amount of money being floated in the NIL. Most of these kids will get more from NIL deals and the portal than they ever would get from the NFL. I can't fault the players The system has no controls and is just going crazy. Mr. Will is very poorly informed. The vast majority of the portal kids do not get much money as I've quoted previously from actual AD info around the country. Plus a tiny minority of these kids would ever see an NFL camp. For the vast majority they want PT... They do not want to be stuck 2, 3, 4 deep at some school when they think they can play immediately somewhere else. They may indeed gather some money, but a tiny fraction get "bags".
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Post by grayman on Jan 5, 2024 11:58:27 GMT -8
Over 2,100 players entered the last portal period. Obviously there's no "bags" of money for most of them. What I do believe is happening is that those bags of money are being offered to a lot of the proven top players, not just a few. That would explain starting QBs (and other star players) for good programs bailing. It would also explain why some "star" players from OSU have entered the portal but did not follow JS to MSU, despite the NILs that support OSU having supposedly gotten big boosts of donations.
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Post by beavadelic on Jan 5, 2024 12:08:33 GMT -8
Quality over quantity. Every guy we’ve lost has been a crucial piece and starter. There’s one starter left on defense. To focus on the number is cognitive dissonance. Schools that lose more tend to lose guys looking for playtime. We are losing the core of our team. Silly to compare. Logically (not that logic seems to pull much sway in these wild, Wild West days in college football) most of the players that leave for the portal should either be studs who can get paid, or those who feel that they need new scenery because of where they sit on the depth chart of their current team. If mediocre starters were the ones leaving, I might feel more concerned. As has been mentioned, this is happening all over the place, including Ohio State, Alabama and Georgia. The fact that we had a legit top 20 team the past couple of seasons (implying that we did have a solid roster) and our numbers in the portal are relatively small (and, are we really lamenting the loss of a poor option back masquerading as a place kicker?), should cause us to be thankful. I hate the losses because I want all of our kids to stick, but I’m kind of excited to see a new era with new faces that appear to be solid and eager to get to work. Now, if DM drops a bomb later regarding the portal…..even an Uber-optimist like me might take a hit. That hit won’t have anything to do with the hiring of our new staff (you don’t replace a guy like Coach M without some growing pains, but DeVan will be a good one), it will be more of a realization that Bray and his staff will just have that much more of a challenge moving forward. I look forward to having a more passionate and hands-on HC, and I think that we could actually see some surprising developments on the recruiting trail, even though we’re not in a P4 league, at least for the next couple of seasons.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 5, 2024 12:22:49 GMT -8
I'm trying to look at it in a more positive manner - We didn't lose starters to other schools, we lost doubters to other schools.
Cheers for the kids who are all-in!
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Post by jayvinson on Jan 5, 2024 12:24:24 GMT -8
To me the most disturbing thing is that good coaching is about development and teaching, and building for future success. Even when I was coaching 9-12 year old girls in basketball and softball, we focused on teaching and development. Now, building for future success is a fool's errand. We are now in an era of the equivalent of lining up on the playground and choosing teams each year. The current scenario is exactly what a century of rules was put into place to prevent.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jan 5, 2024 13:04:55 GMT -8
To me the most disturbing thing is that good coaching is about development and teaching, and building for future success. Even when I was coaching 9-12 year old girls in basketball and softball, we focused on teaching and development. Now, building for future success is a fool's errand. We are now in an era of the equivalent of lining up on the playground and choosing teams each year. The current scenario is exactly what a century of rules was put into place to prevent. And the next most disturbing thing is my fandom was related to watching the players' journeys - How they came in and (maybe) redshirted, letting us speculate on how they would contribute, getting practice/scrimmage reports on them. Watching them grow year over year. Maybe following them if they were good enough to have a pro career. Being happy that they were students getting their education at the same institution I did, taking classes and having some shared experiences at the same institution I did.... Now I rarely hear the word "education". Players move less for education or majors than for any and every other reason. Much of that is gone now, or irrevocably altered. Good news is what is left is still of some value to me. The regionality - at least much of our schedule is "nearby" schools with similar leanings. The school in question. The players (and coaching staff) who believe, for whatever reason, in donning the orange and black. I just hope it's enough. Go Beavers!
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 5, 2024 13:31:42 GMT -8
I'm trying to look at it in a more positive manner - We didn't lose starters to other schools, we lost doubters to other schools. Cheers for the kids who are all-in! The constant fretting over spilled milk is very tedious. They left. We have players that are here and will play for OSU. The level of play... those that left or the current actual roster is completely unknown. The loss is on "paper" and really why not focus on the players OSU has vs the ones leaving? The "reason(s)" of a player leaving are theirs and theirs alone and does not change the fact they did not want to be part of the team going forward. I'm truly excited about the future to see what is new and how players step up. There will be bumps in the road for sure. But, for those who look at the downside, I bet there are far fewer, and by far "smaller" bumps in the road next season! Go Beavs
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 5, 2024 13:38:33 GMT -8
I'm trying to look at it in a more positive manner - We didn't lose starters to other schools, we lost doubters to other schools. Cheers for the kids who are all-in! The constant fretting over spilled milk is very tedious. They left. We have players that are here and will play for OSU. The level of play... those that left or the current actual roster is completely unknown. The loss is on "paper" and really why not focus on the players OSU has vs the ones leaving? The "reason(s)" of a player leaving are theirs and theirs alone and does not change the fact they did not want to be part of the team going forward. I'm truly excited about the future to see what is new and how players step up. There will be bumps in the road for sure. But, for those who look at the downside, I bet there are far fewer, and by far "smaller" bumps in the road next season! Go Beavs I mean, ultimately the playing field is largely level. We would have lots of time for hand-wringing if OSU was disproportionately affected but hell even Alabama had a mass exodus for the portal. Everybody is dealing with the same thing by and large.
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Post by fridaynightlights on Jan 5, 2024 14:19:44 GMT -8
The bad news is that we will have a less talented roster next season.
The good news is that we will play a weaker schedule as Oregon is likely to be the only team on our schedule who will be ranked preseason.
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Post by grayman on Jan 5, 2024 14:32:46 GMT -8
The constant fretting over spilled milk is very tedious. They left. We have players that are here and will play for OSU. The level of play... those that left or the current actual roster is completely unknown. The loss is on "paper" and really why not focus on the players OSU has vs the ones leaving? The "reason(s)" of a player leaving are theirs and theirs alone and does not change the fact they did not want to be part of the team going forward. I'm truly excited about the future to see what is new and how players step up. There will be bumps in the road for sure. But, for those who look at the downside, I bet there are far fewer, and by far "smaller" bumps in the road next season! Go Beavs I mean, ultimately the playing field is largely level. We would have lots of time for hand-wringing if OSU was disproportionately affected but hell even Alabama had a mass exodus for the portal. Everybody is dealing with the same thing by and large. I would disagree. The playing field was not level going into the current era of the out of control portal and NIL, therefore it is not level now. You have the top tier money schools. Then you have a middle tier, which is where OSU has been (and hopefully will continue to be). Then you have the G5 schools and on down the line. Programs like Alabama are far more well equipped to lose players because it has the resources to replace those players and continue to build. It's not killing the Alabamas and Ohio States and Oklahomas of the college football world. It is a much bigger burden on the Iowa States and Kansas States and Georgia Techs that don't have the big bankrolls or as many deep-pocketed boosters. That includes Oregon State. If Smith had not bailed and the Pac-12 had stayed intact, I believe that OSU would have been in a better spot to weather the storm. No doubt there would have been personnel losses, but not to this degree. So the big key for OSU moving forward is for Bray to continue to do as good as possible through the portal, etc., through this offseason and then get down to business from a much better spot next year. The biggest key from a national standpoint is to find a way to rein in all this NIL/portal craziness with some specific parameters.
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Post by Angus on Jan 5, 2024 14:36:53 GMT -8
I'd like to think that this gives up and coming players a chance to get the most valuable commodity of all - playing time. We all know we are going to have to take our lumps next year in one form or another. Might just as well use it to get our new guys that PT. Will make us just that much better in 2-3 seasons.
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