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Post by beaverology on Dec 6, 2023 18:17:24 GMT -8
Something's up. Gundy trying to flip ASU QB. Class of 2025, but it's a start!
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Post by rafer on Dec 6, 2023 18:25:35 GMT -8
Some of you guys do realize that we will also be signing players presently in the portal. Starters from existing teams. The portal is taking away at the moment. It will giveth at a future date. I get your valid point, however, we are without at least half of our staff, DO NOT have a conference, OR schedule to plat next year, and without a future plan. What most possible portal players we may want are going to see is a huge question mark, and think they probably ought to look elsewhere. Our future is basically quick sand, and most want no part of it. |
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Post by hottubbeaver on Dec 6, 2023 19:33:50 GMT -8
Most schools lose non-starter type guys...We pretty much seem to be losing starters....Next man up hopefully...but not optimistic This is unequivocally false these days. The biggest NIL impact now is that teams lose their best players to better deals. It is happening everywhere. It is no longer the one off situation, it is the expected situation. Starting QBs off the top of my head: Cam Ward Dillion Gabrial Taylen Green Will Howard Riley Leonard Kyle McCord Grayson McGill Dante Moore Will Rogers All starting, good QBs Both starting Wisconsin WRs are in the portal right now. Dike and Bell. Josh Kelly from WSU, Beau Collins from Clemson is in the portal, Utah lost Mikey Matthews... Texas A&M lost their 3 year starter CB, Florida state lost a stud DB. honestly the list goes on. What was once the chance for players to go find new situations and better playing time, a place for players on the bench at bigger schools to trade down to start at a smaller school has become an open meat market. Every person here wringing their hands about losing guys needs to stop, breath and look. OSU is not doing unusually poorly. We are not taking devastating losses that other schools aren't also getting. What we don't know and won't yet see is who we are targeting and in all this moving around chaos what opportunities are there for us. We lost QBs to the portal. Okay... what QBs can we get from the portal? Every person here is only looking at what is going out and not thinking about what could be coming in. Its hard. We don't know. We don' t have a conference next year, we have an unpublished schedule and an incomplete coaching staff. I get it. But We just raised $2 million for our NIL collective in recent days, Bray and team are going to hit that portal and be competitive. We will have a good enough schedule next year a guy like, say, Taylen Green may look to us to help spring board himself to the NFL. (just an example, zero insight to that) I see value in the new rules for the purpose in bold. A recruit gets fed a bunch of BS out of high school, commits, and then discovers nothing is as it was sold. Or when there's a conflict with a coach/teammate, and other legitimate situations which arise where the ability to have options to go elsewhere benefits everyone in the long run. I think that's a good overall system. Now it's morphed into something entirely different. Here's my quickly thought out idea on how you accomplish the original intent of allowing players to seek other opportunities or get away from a bad situation, while putting the brakes on a hidden bidding war. Player A wants to transfer away from school X, school Y is offering "incentives" for him to come to them. 1) School Y required to report to school X a dollar amount equivalent for any incentives they've offered player A. Let's say it's 300,000.
2) School X is given an opportunity to match said amount.
3) If they match, then player A decides to stay or go.
4) There are two hitches for school Y.
a) If player A decides to stay at current school, school Y gets hit with a 5% service fee (5% of the 300,000 in this example). Why? A disincentive for "recruiting" other schools existing players who are not looking to get out of a bad situation, just looking to test their value on the market.
b) If players A does want out and leaves current school for school Y, then Y pays a bigger surcharge (20%?) to school X to compensate for the room, board, lost time, and development invested in player A.
5) If school X does not match offer and player transfers to y then 4) b rules this situation as well.
This would allow for those players seeking to get out of a bad situation to still do so while putting some needed brakes on the free for all going on right now.
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Post by bleedorange21 on Dec 6, 2023 19:43:20 GMT -8
Oregon state can sell being a starter and competing for a playoff spot.
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 6, 2023 19:52:41 GMT -8
This is unequivocally false these days. The biggest NIL impact now is that teams lose their best players to better deals. It is happening everywhere. It is no longer the one off situation, it is the expected situation. Starting QBs off the top of my head: Cam Ward Dillion Gabrial Taylen Green Will Howard Riley Leonard Kyle McCord Grayson McGill Dante Moore Will Rogers All starting, good QBs Both starting Wisconsin WRs are in the portal right now. Dike and Bell. Josh Kelly from WSU, Beau Collins from Clemson is in the portal, Utah lost Mikey Matthews... Texas A&M lost their 3 year starter CB, Florida state lost a stud DB. honestly the list goes on. What was once the chance for players to go find new situations and better playing time, a place for players on the bench at bigger schools to trade down to start at a smaller school has become an open meat market. Every person here wringing their hands about losing guys needs to stop, breath and look. OSU is not doing unusually poorly. We are not taking devastating losses that other schools aren't also getting. What we don't know and won't yet see is who we are targeting and in all this moving around chaos what opportunities are there for us. We lost QBs to the portal. Okay... what QBs can we get from the portal? Every person here is only looking at what is going out and not thinking about what could be coming in. Its hard. We don't know. We don' t have a conference next year, we have an unpublished schedule and an incomplete coaching staff. I get it. But We just raised $2 million for our NIL collective in recent days, Bray and team are going to hit that portal and be competitive. We will have a good enough schedule next year a guy like, say, Taylen Green may look to us to help spring board himself to the NFL. (just an example, zero insight to that) I like your optimism but I just dont see players or coaches flocking to a team with new , unproven coaches , make shift scheduling and no conference . Whoever will be out there trying to recruit better have the confidence of Brett Maverick and able to seel ice water in the middle of an ice storm . He better be an A1 BSer Honestly, I don't think it is as big of an issue as it may seem. Guys are leaving for one overwhelming dominant reason: money. Opportunity is correlated to the money. How players make their money now... is by getting actual money while they play. Not to state the obvious. In the era before the NIL, it was exposure. Players weren't being (legally) paid. Players needed the team that got them on TV, made the look good and prepared them for an NFL career so they could then go make their money. Now we guys that are making more than they likely ever will in the NFL going to the highest bidder. The competition doesn't really matter like it use to, their primary drive is not to be NFL ready. The TV exposure doesn't really matter nearly as much, they are getting paid anyways. What they want is a good deal and guaranteed money. Because players absolutely also know one truth fans seem to not really believe: if you are good enough, it doesn't really matter where you play, the NFL will find you. The league has plenty of Cooper Kupps types as evidence of that. I am not saying that stuff isn't some factor, but I am not convinced it is a major hinderance to landing a guy. OSU is going to be the landing spot for a QB looking for money. We were going to pay Chiles some near market level money that we are not going to now. There is, 100% a QB very, very, very willing to come take that money and a good chance he will be pretty damn good too. I am not that concerned. |
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 6, 2023 20:24:11 GMT -8
Those are one offs....Look at the guys in our portal..There are MANY guys who are starters. Sure everybody loses a few key guys. Almost all of ours are key guys... Whoosh? The guys at OU and Ohio St were their starting QB’s. The doom & gloomers just make sh$t up to fit their negative narrative. It is a waste of time to point out all the starters in the portal... A&M fretting over (3) stud starting lineman. OSU has lost how many starters to the portal? DJU was gone no matter... not a counter. Chiles not a starter. So what... (4)? Three on D, 1 on offense. |
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 6, 2023 20:25:31 GMT -8
Oregon state can sell being a starter and competing for a playoff spot. In a GREAT environment... athletically and academically. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 6, 2023 20:37:37 GMT -8
Some of you guys do realize that we will also be signing players presently in the portal. Starters from existing teams. The portal is taking away at the moment. It will giveth at a future date. I get your valid point, however, we are without at least half of our staff, DO NOT have a conference, OR schedule to plat next year, and without a future plan. What most possible portal players we may want are going to see is a huge question mark, and think they probably ought to look elsewhere. Our future is basically quick sand, and most want no part of it. 1. The remainder of the staff will be hired shortly. We have our offensive staff. Our head coach certainly knows what we plan to do on defense, seeing as how he was the DC the past two seasons. We have ample recruiters at present. We have three months before spring practice begins, eight months before fall camp opens, and nine months before our first game. I think we're OK. 2. We have a conference, the Pac-2. For the next two years. With at least $200 million in future revenue to be divided up between us and the Cougars, according to the UW president herself. 3. We have five of 12 games set. We know we will play six more against the MWC. So essentially, we have one game to schedule and supposedly are in serious talks with a P5 opponent to fill that vacancy. Shouldn't be that difficult. 4. We certainly have a future plan. Do you think Bray would be hired without one, and a pretty specific one at that? 5. Any portal players we seriously recruit will be given a clear view of our future, how we plan to get there, and their role in said plan. 6. Your final sentence is ridiculous and doesn't even bear commenting on. |
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 6, 2023 21:02:06 GMT -8
I get your valid point, however, we are without at least half of our staff, DO NOT have a conference, OR schedule to plat next year, and without a future plan. What most possible portal players we may want are going to see is a huge question mark, and think they probably ought to look elsewhere. Our future is basically quick sand, and most want no part of it. 1. The remainder of the staff will be hired shortly. We have our offensive staff. Our head coach certainly knows what we plan to do on defense, seeing as how he was the DC the past two seasons. We have ample recruiters at present. We have three months before spring practice begins, eight months before fall camp opens, and nine months before our first game. I think we're OK. 2. We have a conference, the Pac-2. For the next two years. With at least $200 million in future revenue to be divided up between us and the Cougars, according to the UW president herself. 3. We have five of 12 games set. We know we will play six more against the MWC. So essentially, we have one game to schedule and supposedly are in serious talks with a P5 opponent to fill that vacancy. Shouldn't be that difficult. 4. We certainly have a future plan. Do you think Bray would be hired without one, and a pretty specific one at that? 5. Any portal players we seriously recruit will be given a clear view of our future, how we plan to get there, and their role in said plan. 6. Your final sentence is ridiculous and doesn't even bear commenting on. After reading posts like this does anyone else wonder why they come to post at all? Does their entire existence resemble this outlook? Are they just trolls wanting divisive attention? The posts being so overtly negative and full of blatant falsehoods. Many posts/posters like these either don't read other factual information/posts or just don't care about anything but being negative?! |
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Post by idaho on Dec 7, 2023 8:48:29 GMT -8
The reality is that we will probably be a little down the next two years, but luckily playing a little down schedule at that same time. Still scheduling P5 teams is great. I can still see us in that 8-4 range give or take a game.
3,000 players went into the portal this week... you read that right, 3,000. We will get some decent ones back. Our new coaching staff WILL get some decent guys in, but it will certainly look different than this year. This is going to happen EVERY year now. Gone are the days of rooting for the same 22 guys for 4-5 years. many teams are worse off than us in terms of the portal. There are 3,000 guys that can't all go to the B10 or SEC. They all have to find homes.
We are going to be okay.
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Post by rafer on Dec 7, 2023 9:20:55 GMT -8
I get your valid point, however, we are without at least half of our staff, DO NOT have a conference, OR schedule to plat next year, and without a future plan. What most possible portal players we may want are going to see is a huge question mark, and think they probably ought to look elsewhere. Our future is basically quick sand, and most want no part of it. 1. The remainder of the staff will be hired shortly. We have our offensive staff. Our head coach certainly knows what we plan to do on defense, seeing as how he was the DC the past two seasons. We have ample recruiters at present. We have three months before spring practice begins, eight months before fall camp opens, and nine months before our first game. I think we're OK. 2. We have a conference, the Pac-2. For the next two years. With at least $200 million in future revenue to be divided up between us and the Cougars, according to the UW president herself. 3. We have five of 12 games set. We know we will play six more against the MWC. So essentially, we have one game to schedule and supposedly are in serious talks with a P5 opponent to fill that vacancy. Shouldn't be that difficult. 4. We certainly have a future plan. Do you think Bray would be hired without one, and a pretty specific one at that? 5. Any portal players we seriously recruit will be given a clear view of our future, how we plan to get there, and their role in said plan. 6. Your final sentence is ridiculous and doesn't even bear commenting on. Appreciate the response, and you're putting a great spin on the situation. I actually don't disagree on most of your points, BUT, you are looking at it as a team fan, supporter, etc.. Kids, and parents, will be looking at the PAC2 as a HUGE question mark, what does that mean to many of them? The $200 million could very easily turn in to an empty sack after all the legal eagles get their turn at it. You say we have a future plan: What is it?  We DON"T have a schedule yet, will we have one, soon, but again, it is another question mark for transfers. Many kids will want to be playing against the big boys and won't want to be playing MWC teams, and we still seem to have a murky TV issue that has not been addressed, will it, we all hope so. Quicksand is not stable and neither are we at this point, yes, we all want that but at this moment, there are huge question marks about the future, and it WILL impact who we can attract, that is a fact. Like it or not, these are questions that potential recruits, and their agents and families, will be looking at in detail, and there is still a lot DETAIL to be outlined. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 7, 2023 9:58:37 GMT -8
1. The remainder of the staff will be hired shortly. We have our offensive staff. Our head coach certainly knows what we plan to do on defense, seeing as how he was the DC the past two seasons. We have ample recruiters at present. We have three months before spring practice begins, eight months before fall camp opens, and nine months before our first game. I think we're OK. 2. We have a conference, the Pac-2. For the next two years. With at least $200 million in future revenue to be divided up between us and the Cougars, according to the UW president herself. 3. We have five of 12 games set. We know we will play six more against the MWC. So essentially, we have one game to schedule and supposedly are in serious talks with a P5 opponent to fill that vacancy. Shouldn't be that difficult. 4. We certainly have a future plan. Do you think Bray would be hired without one, and a pretty specific one at that? 5. Any portal players we seriously recruit will be given a clear view of our future, how we plan to get there, and their role in said plan. 6. Your final sentence is ridiculous and doesn't even bear commenting on. Appreciate the response, and you're putting a great spin on the situation. I actually don't disagree on most of your points, BUT, you are looking at it as a team fan, supporter, etc.. Kids, and parents, will be looking at the PAC2 as a HUGE question mark, what does that mean to many of them? The $200 million could very easily turn in to an empty sack after all the legal eagles get their turn at it. You say we have a future plan: What is it? We DON"T have a schedule yet, will we have one, soon, but again, it is another question mark for transfers. Many kids will want to be playing against the big boys and won't want to be playing MWC teams, and we still seem to have a murky TV issue that has not been addressed, will it, we all hope so. Quicksand is not stable and neither are we at this point, yes, we all want that but at this moment, there are huge question marks about the future, and it WILL impact who we can attract, that is a fact. Like it or not, these are questions that potential recruits, and their agents and families, will be looking at in detail, and there is still a lot DETAIL to be outlined. Despite all of the other crap going on, you listed the one thing that would still be an NCAA violation. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 7, 2023 10:13:35 GMT -8
Around here we call him Will.
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Post by grad1973 on Dec 7, 2023 13:48:38 GMT -8
I get your valid point, however, we are without at least half of our staff, DO NOT have a conference, OR schedule to plat next year, and without a future plan. What most possible portal players we may want are going to see is a huge question mark, and think they probably ought to look elsewhere. Our future is basically quick sand, and most want no part of it. 1. The remainder of the staff will be hired shortly. We have our offensive staff. Our head coach certainly knows what we plan to do on defense, seeing as how he was the DC the past two seasons. We have ample recruiters at present. We have three months before spring practice begins, eight months before fall camp opens, and nine months before our first game. I think we're OK. 2. We have a conference, the Pac-2. For the next two years. With at least $200 million in future revenue to be divided up between us and the Cougars, according to the UW president herself. 3. We have five of 12 games set. We know we will play six more against the MWC. So essentially, we have one game to schedule and supposedly are in serious talks with a P5 opponent to fill that vacancy. Shouldn't be that difficult. 4. We certainly have a future plan. Do you think Bray would be hired without one, and a pretty specific one at that? 5. Any portal players we seriously recruit will be given a clear view of our future, how we plan to get there, and their role in said plan. 6. Your final sentence is ridiculous and doesn't even bear commenting on. If its true we have that much money better put most if it in the nil pot. We need a very good mlb we need a beast DT from nil we need a QB and keep the RB’s we recruited for this year thst are from texas. We need nil for a super safety and one CB. Build around 6 real great nil players. Thst really is what elevated UW to greater heights. They picked up some 8 guys all around different positions who are NFL guys and build around them. Go beavs. NOW! |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 7, 2023 13:59:31 GMT -8
1. The remainder of the staff will be hired shortly. We have our offensive staff. Our head coach certainly knows what we plan to do on defense, seeing as how he was the DC the past two seasons. We have ample recruiters at present. We have three months before spring practice begins, eight months before fall camp opens, and nine months before our first game. I think we're OK. 2. We have a conference, the Pac-2. For the next two years. With at least $200 million in future revenue to be divided up between us and the Cougars, according to the UW president herself. 3. We have five of 12 games set. We know we will play six more against the MWC. So essentially, we have one game to schedule and supposedly are in serious talks with a P5 opponent to fill that vacancy. Shouldn't be that difficult. 4. We certainly have a future plan. Do you think Bray would be hired without one, and a pretty specific one at that? 5. Any portal players we seriously recruit will be given a clear view of our future, how we plan to get there, and their role in said plan. 6. Your final sentence is ridiculous and doesn't even bear commenting on. We need a very good mlb we need a beast DT from nil we need a QB and keep the RB’s we recruited for this year thst are from texas. We need nil for a super safety and one CB. Build around 6 real great nil players. Thst really is what elevated UW to greater heights. They picked up some 8 guys all around different positions who are NFL guys and build around them. Go beavs. NOW! Institutional funds cannot be used for NIL. |
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We DON"T have a schedule yet, will we have one, soon, but again, it is another question mark for transfers. Many kids will want to be playing against the big boys and won't want to be playing MWC teams, and we still seem to have a murky TV issue that has not been addressed, will it, we all hope so. 