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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 6, 2023 17:36:53 GMT -8
Most schools lose non-starter type guys...We pretty much seem to be losing starters....Next man up hopefully...but not optimistic This is unequivocally false these days. The biggest NIL impact now is that teams lose their best players to better deals. It is happening everywhere. It is no longer the one off situation, it is the expected situation. Starting QBs off the top of my head: Cam Ward Dillion Gabrial Taylen Green Will Howard Riley Leonard Kyle McCord Grayson McGill Dante Moore Will Rogers All starting, good QBs Both starting Wisconsin WRs are in the portal right now. Dike and Bell. Josh Kelly from WSU, Beau Collins from Clemson is in the portal, Utah lost Mikey Matthews... Texas A&M lost their 3 year starter CB, Florida state lost a stud DB. honestly the list goes on. What was once the chance for players to go find new situations and better playing time, a place for players on the bench at bigger schools to trade down to start at a smaller school has become an open meat market. Every person here wringing their hands about losing guys needs to stop, breath and look. OSU is not doing unusually poorly. We are not taking devastating losses that other schools aren't also getting. What we don't know and won't yet see is who we are targeting and in all this moving around chaos what opportunities are there for us. We lost QBs to the portal. Okay... what QBs can we get from the portal? Every person here is only looking at what is going out and not thinking about what could be coming in. Its hard. We don't know. We don' t have a conference next year, we have an unpublished schedule and an incomplete coaching staff. I get it. But We just raised $2 million for our NIL collective in recent days, Bray and team are going to hit that portal and be competitive. We will have a good enough schedule next year a guy like, say, Taylen Green may look to us to help spring board himself to the NFL. (just an example, zero insight to that) |
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 6, 2023 17:38:33 GMT -8
Really? So the Ohio St., Oklahoma etc…QB’s were backups? Did anyone tell them this? Those are one offs....Look at the guys in our portal..There are MANY guys who are starters. Sure everybody loses a few key guys. Almost all of ours are key guys... Whoosh? The guys at OU and Ohio St were their starting QB’s. |
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Post by grayman on Dec 6, 2023 17:47:26 GMT -8
Those are one offs....Look at the guys in our portal..There are MANY guys who are starters. Sure everybody loses a few key guys. Almost all of ours are key guys... Whoosh? The guys at OU and Ohio St were their starting QB’s. They both most likely have two or three other guys on their rosters that could start for Oregon State right now. |
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Post by orangethunder on Dec 6, 2023 17:49:32 GMT -8
Most schools lose non-starter type guys...We pretty much seem to be losing starters....Next man up hopefully...but not optimistic This is unequivocally false these days. The biggest NIL impact now is that teams lose their best players to better deals. It is happening everywhere. It is no longer the one off situation, it is the expected situation. Starting QBs off the top of my head: Cam Ward Dillion Gabrial Taylen Green Will Howard Riley Leonard Kyle McCord Grayson McGill Dante Moore Will Rogers All starting, good QBs Both starting Wisconsin WRs are in the portal right now. Dike and Bell. Josh Kelly from WSU, Beau Collins from Clemson is in the portal, Utah lost Mikey Matthews... Texas A&M lost their 3 year starter CB, Florida state lost a stud DB. honestly the list goes on. What was once the chance for players to go find new situations and better playing time, a place for players on the bench at bigger schools to trade down to start at a smaller school has become an open meat market. Every person here wringing their hands about losing guys needs to stop, breath and look. OSU is not doing unusually poorly. We are not taking devastating losses that other schools aren't also getting. What we don't know and won't yet see is who we are targeting and in all this moving around chaos what opportunities are there for us. We lost QBs to the portal. Okay... what QBs can we get from the portal? Every person here is only looking at what is going out and not thinking about what could be coming in. Its hard. We don't know. We don' t have a conference next year, we have an unpublished schedule and an incomplete coaching staff. I get it. But We just raised $2 million for our NIL collective in recent days, Bray and team are going to hit that portal and be competitive. We will have a good enough schedule next year a guy like, say, Taylen Green may look to us to help spring board himself to the NFL. (just an example, zero insight to that) I like your optimism but I just dont see players or coaches flocking to a team with new , unproven coaches , make shift scheduling and no conference . Whoever will be out there trying to recruit better have the confidence of Brett Maverick and able to seel ice water in the middle of an ice storm . He better be an A1 BSer |
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 6, 2023 18:01:11 GMT -8
Whoosh? The guys at OU and Ohio St were their starting QB’s. They both most likely have two or three other guys on their rosters that could start for Oregon State right now. So? The Ohio St guy was starting at the school that spends more money on athletics than any other school in the country. What’s your point? |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 6, 2023 18:03:35 GMT -8
Some of you guys do realize that we will also be signing players presently in the portal. Starters from existing teams. The portal is taking away at the moment. It will giveth at a future date. The guys who want to play for a rookie coaching staff, that has no real conference, no schedule publicly released, no TV deal, and minimal NIL opps? Those guys? I like your optimism, but we are screwed The portal did not exist in 2018. However, Jermar Jefferson, John McCartan, Kitan Oladapo, Luke Loechner, Riley Sharp, Jake Levengood, Teagan Quitoriano and Isaac Hodgins all committed to play for a rookie coaching staff that year, to play for the worst team in college football. There will be players who want to play here if we recruit them. Most, if not all, of those other issues will be resolved shortly. We have more than $2 million in NIL money. Surely that will create far, far more than "minimal" NIL opportunities. We are far, far from being screwed. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 6, 2023 18:06:32 GMT -8
Whoosh? The guys at OU and Ohio St were their starting QB’s. They both most likely have two or three other guys on their rosters that could start for Oregon State right now. Yeah, that's probably why they will hit the portal for their next QB. Because they have so much talent in the pipeline. |
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Post by grayman on Dec 6, 2023 18:07:18 GMT -8
They both most likely have two or three other guys on their rosters that could start for Oregon State right now. So? The Ohio St guy was starting at the school that spends more money on athletics than any other school in the country. What’s your point? My point is that Oregon State does not have the ability to just plug in another guy at the level that schools like Ohio State can. Not only is the drop-off talent wise not as significant but they have a much better ability to just grab a player off the portal to fill a position. Maybe I misunderstood your post? |
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Post by cake on Dec 6, 2023 18:08:50 GMT -8
So? The Ohio St guy was starting at the school that spends more money on athletics than any other school in the country. What’s your point? My point is that Oregon State does not have the ability to just plug in another guy at the level that schools like Ohio State can. Not only is the drop-off talent wise not as significant but they have a much better ability to just grab a player off the portal to fill a position. Maybe I misunderstood your post? Are you saying we're not Ohio State? |
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Post by grayman on Dec 6, 2023 18:09:07 GMT -8
They both most likely have two or three other guys on their rosters that could start for Oregon State right now. Yeah, that's probably why they will hit the portal for their next QB. Because they have so much talent in the pipeline. I think that's more a matter of having the ability to bring in a proven starter than the talent level of the backups |
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 6, 2023 18:09:43 GMT -8
So? The Ohio St guy was starting at the school that spends more money on athletics than any other school in the country. What’s your point? My point is that Oregon State does not have the ability to just plug in another guy at the level that schools like Ohio State can. Not only is the drop-off talent wise not as significant but they have a much better ability to just grab a player off the portal to fill a position. Maybe I misunderstood your post? Maybe you’re a new Beaver fan? We’ve never had the talent and we’re in the biggest crisis situation that we’ve ever been in with no conference? Did you think everything was going to go perfectly? |
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Post by grayman on Dec 6, 2023 18:10:21 GMT -8
My point is that Oregon State does not have the ability to just plug in another guy at the level that schools like Ohio State can. Not only is the drop-off talent wise not as significant but they have a much better ability to just grab a player off the portal to fill a position. Maybe I misunderstood your post? Are you saying we're not Ohio State? Well, I wish the Beavers had Ohio State's kind of money, LOL |
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 6, 2023 18:10:41 GMT -8
Yeah, that's probably why they will hit the portal for their next QB. Because they have so much talent in the pipeline. I think that's more a matter of having the ability to bring in a proven starter than the talent level of the backups So the guy that went 11-1 and is leaving was not a “proven starter”? |
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Post by grayman on Dec 6, 2023 18:14:56 GMT -8
My point is that Oregon State does not have the ability to just plug in another guy at the level that schools like Ohio State can. Not only is the drop-off talent wise not as significant but they have a much better ability to just grab a player off the portal to fill a position. Maybe I misunderstood your post? Maybe you’re a new Beaver fan? We’ve never had the talent and we’re in the biggest crisis situation that we’ve ever been in with no conference? Did you think everything was going to go perfectly? Umm, you've read other posts by me. Obviously I don't think everything is going to go perfectly. I'm a doomsayer, after all. Of course the Beavers don't have Ohio State level talent. Of course we're in a crisis situation. |
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Post by grayman on Dec 6, 2023 18:17:00 GMT -8
I think that's more a matter of having the ability to bring in a proven starter than the talent level of the backups So the guy that went 11-1 and is leaving was not a “proven starter”? They can replace anybody who leaves with a proven starter through the portal as opposed to going with a talented, yet unproven, backup. Read the other post. |
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