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Post by beaver1989 on Nov 27, 2023 6:19:09 GMT -8
I hope you all learn not to become so emotional invested in a coach. Just enjoy the game. Don’t get burned time and time again. Think Riley 1.0 but this is worse. Good advice. It's also the approach I've been using for years. |
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Post by gameday on Nov 27, 2023 6:19:26 GMT -8
Sorry, but as soon as the remaining PAC 10 imploded this was a forgone conclusion. So - yea any football coach in their right mind - who does not want to become an afterthought when OSU goes from a power 5 conference to relative obscurity for the future - is not looking for brighter pastures, would be an imbecile - he got to negotiate from a position of power going to the 2nd most prestigious conference- and two teams here in the Northwest sold themselves for a lot less just to tag on. All this outrage being shown by Beaver fans is stupid - He landed on his feet instead of going down with the ship - he did great things for our program, and got paid to do it - but why not get while the getting good I agree. Like it or not, it’s business. That’s how they can say the things they say. And they ALL do it. |
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Post by oldbeav on Nov 27, 2023 6:42:41 GMT -8
Jaden Robinson’s mom
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Post by beaverdreams on Nov 27, 2023 7:05:14 GMT -8
Well, there you have it. Pretty much what I was thinking. Beavs were clearly not ready to play that game. Give Oregon credit, they played outstanding and probably win anyhow, but it certainly could have been more competitive. So Beaver players may disagree with above posts that it's 'no big deal', and 'just a business'.....people invest a lot in this thing that isn't just about dollars,from both sides-players and fans of the program....but maybe we're all imbeciles. |
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Post by irimi on Nov 27, 2023 7:36:15 GMT -8
I hope you all learn not to become so emotional invested in a coach. Just enjoy the game. Don’t get burned time and time again. Think Riley 1.0 but this is worse. He was sold to us with emotion. “The Return” Remember? This wasn’t just Gary Andersen or Mike Riley (the first time) coming in to take a job. He was one of us. Plus, as has been stated multiple times here: it wasn’t that he left that is the problem; it’s the manner in which he did. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 27, 2023 7:53:37 GMT -8
Not to be an old man shaking his fist at the clouds, but if they ever hope to play in the NFL, they'll learn you get up the next day and get ready to go to work. Think the Bills want anything to do with football today after yesterday? Probably not. But they will get up and get to work. And we fans - who pay the bills and cheer for the players - need to look forward to something. Like playing and winning a bowl game and rebuilding a program we supported for decades before the current players showed up and will continue to support for decades after they depart. I understand the players and their families are hurting. So are we. I'm not taking a shot at her or the players, I get it. But life never stops. You have to keep moving forward and a big part of that is planning for the future. |
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Post by jrbeavo on Nov 27, 2023 7:58:37 GMT -8
This board right now defines exactly why Coach Smith was right to leave. Because we expect a guy being paid millions to actually...you know...do his job? The idea that you cannot change jobs in college without being a completely deceitful prick is ridiculous. Staying and lying and operating under false pretenses severely damaged our team at a time when we could ill-afford it. Did he even talk to a recruit in the past few months? I am not going to be on the "we all must respect that JS had to do what he did and how he did it" team |
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Post by orangethunder on Nov 27, 2023 8:00:38 GMT -8
This board right now defines exactly why Coach Smith was right to leave. Because we expect a guy being paid millions to actually...you know...do his job? The idea that you cannot change jobs in college without being a completely deceitful prick is ridiculous. Staying and lying and operating under false pretenses severely damaged our team at a time when we could ill-afford it. Did he even talk to a recruit in the past few months? I am not going to be on the "we all must respect that JS had to do what he did and how he did it" team Right on |
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Post by seastape on Nov 27, 2023 8:20:02 GMT -8
Not to be an old man shaking his fist at the clouds, but if they ever hope to play in the NFL, they'll learn you get up the next day and get ready to go to work. Think the Bills want anything to do with football today after yesterday? Probably not. But they will get up and get to work. And we fans - who pay the bills and cheer for the players - need to look forward to something. Like playing and winning a bowl game and rebuilding a program we supported for decades before the current players showed up and will continue to support for decades after they depart. I understand the players and their families are hurting. So are we. I'm not taking a shot at her or the players, I get it. But life never stops. You have to keep moving forward and a big part of that is planning for the future. Agreed. I can't imagine how tough it must be on the players right now. At the same time, I think they will regret not playing in a bowl game when they had the chance. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but maybe come kick-off time for the bowl game they skipped or years from now when they're watching the college football post-season and thinking to themselves, we could have played in a bowl game in 2023 when everything fell apart. I wonder if it would have been the silver lining in dark clouds? |
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Post by NativeBeav on Nov 27, 2023 8:50:18 GMT -8
Sorry, but as soon as the remaining PAC 10 imploded this was a forgone conclusion. So - yea any football coach in their right mind - who does not want to become an afterthought when OSU goes from a power 5 conference to relative obscurity for the future - is not looking for brighter pastures, would be an imbecile - he got to negotiate from a position of power going to the 2nd most prestigious conference- and two teams here in the Northwest sold themselves for a lot less just to tag on. All this outrage being shown by Beaver fans is stupid - He landed on his feet instead of going down with the ship - he did great things for our program, and got paid to do it - but why not get while the getting good I think most of us understand why Smith made the decision that he did. Doesn’t mean we have to respect it or the way it was handled, or wish him success going forward. One question for the board - as we all hear varying bits of information on who knew what, where and when, I have heard one of the potential reasons for JS souring on the HC job is the admin siding (or choosing to do nothing) with the officials on bad calls.
Meaning, for example, this season, when especially egregious calls were made, I heard JS possibly complained to SB and the admin, they would not take action to make a formal complaint, because they didn't want to piss off or offend the Pac12 officials. I know that this season, several of the crap calls made at Reser were not shown on replay, because they did not want to upset the fans. Really?
Not saying this is any legit reason for a coach to leave, especially how he left, but I know it is important for any high level manager in an organization to know his superiors have his or her back. Did he reach the conclusion that with the long standing history of bad officiating against OSU that SB and the admin did not have his back, as far as bad calls being challenged was concerned? Was the Yvenson Bernard fumble challenge the last time the Pac officials made an egregious mistake? Of course not.
One of our previous coaches, can't remember which one, had said it was nearly impossible to win at OSU. Was he referring to the officiating? Or just the general meager compensation/ investment in football, historically? I know we have made quantum leaps in recent years, but we were at the bottom of the PAC for many years regarding facilities and pay for coaches. It has been said bad officiating does not significantly affect the outcome of the game. I beg to differ. Ask how the ASU receiver feels about that as he got mugged near the goal line this season at Husky stadium - no call. With the correct call, ASU probably scores, and wins the game.
Here again, just curious for others input
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Nov 27, 2023 8:53:24 GMT -8
My respect for Mike Riley skyrocketed when in an interview he talked about removing himself from consideration for the USC opening because he couldn't imagine coaching against his OSU recruits/players/coaching staff for years to come... I fully expect our top players to be invited to enter the transfer portal and surface at MSU by CJS and his staff ( since at least 8 of them are OSU staffers). Not quite following the "make your departure classy" advice I've always been given when making a job change. Go Beavers! |
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Post by bigorangebeaver on Nov 27, 2023 9:03:43 GMT -8
"One of our previous coaches, can't remember which one, had said it was nearly impossible to win at OSU. Was he referring to the officiating? Or just the general meager compensation/ investment in football, historically? I know we have made quantum leaps in recent years, but we were at the bottom of the PAC for many years regarding facilities and pay for coaches."
It's the money. I was always gonna be the money.
Especially when compared to Oregon, which is the inevitable comparison. It did not matter how much money that Beaver fans contributed, it was never going to be enough to keep up with/compete with Oregon (or USC, or Washington, or Stanford, or....).
Sad, but ultimately true.
The poor officiating ("It's only egregious if you're a Beaver fan.") is a by-product.
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Post by grackle on Nov 27, 2023 9:05:22 GMT -8
Anyone here is kidding himself if they don't realize that JS is immature and clearly NOT a man of much integrity. Sometimes HOW you do something is more important than what you do.
He could have been honest long ago with his players, the OSU administration and our fans. Instead he knowingly 100% lied about his intentions and very likely half-assed coached a number of the last few games. Now I wonder if those senseless play calls that cost us games (e.g., the fake field goal vs UA) took place because he really didn't care all that much about winning.
No other way to say it....JS is a thorough-going a$$hole. His parents should be ashamed.
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Post by macdunnforest on Nov 27, 2023 9:15:12 GMT -8
Sorry, but as soon as the remaining PAC 10 imploded this was a forgone conclusion. So - yea any football coach in their right mind - who does not want to become an afterthought when OSU goes from a power 5 conference to relative obscurity for the future - is not looking for brighter pastures, would be an imbecile - he got to negotiate from a position of power going to the 2nd most prestigious conference- and two teams here in the Northwest sold themselves for a lot less just to tag on. All this outrage being shown by Beaver fans is stupid - He landed on his feet instead of going down with the ship - he did great things for our program, and got paid to do it - but why not get while the getting good I agree. Like it or not, it’s business. That’s how they can say the things they say. And they ALL do it. Not all. Sometimes you find a Kyle Whittingham or a Kirk Ferentz or a Bill Snyder. Smith and to some extent, Riley 1, probably hurt more than your average coaching churn because of their local ties and the hopes they'd be the guy that would stick around through uncertain times and better offers. |
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Post by lebaneaver on Nov 27, 2023 9:17:12 GMT -8
I’m compelled to remember that, as far as we know, JS family is still here in Corvallis. Kids are enrolled in Corvallis public schools. Our indignation over his genuine lack of give-a-s%#t regarding BeaverNation shouldn’t negatively impact his FAMILY. It’s probably very tough on them, too.
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