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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 7, 2023 11:17:20 GMT -8
Media deals are split. Then, there would be some share of the gate. The last time that I checked that, it was capped at something like $250,000 for conference opponents, but that would not be true in a non-conference game. I would add that everyone is going to be putting a lot of pressure on everyone else to get the Apple Cup and Civil War scheduled. That includes, the universities, the boosters, media, etc. You do not want to be the one that 86s either of those rivalry games, because it would be a significant black eye for your program. And that goes for Oregon State. You don't want to be the team that is too scared to play Oregon at Reser. Your program may never recover. California and Utah should be added immediately, the two easiest teams to add. Then, hopefully, we can get at least an additional five Mountain West teams together to make a complete schedule. Otherwise, you are looking at teams like Army, Connecticut, and Navy to fill out a schedule. in Non conference play the media $$ belongs to the home team and they don't share gate $$. I doubt the MWC plays along unless you offer some sort of future merger deal. Why would they? Only two have openings and they are looking for home games. MWC teams pay between $500K and $700K for teams to visit their stadiums OOC for a one and done deals. FCS might be cheaper but not much. This, and I don't see the incentive for any of the 10 traitorous teams to schedule OSU next season either. They already have a league, most have their OOC schedule filled as well. What's in it for them?
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Post by beaver55to7 on Nov 7, 2023 11:50:24 GMT -8
in Non conference play the media $$ belongs to the home team and they don't share gate $$. I doubt the MWC plays along unless you offer some sort of future merger deal. Why would they? Only two have openings and they are looking for home games. MWC teams pay between $500K and $700K for teams to visit their stadiums OOC for a one and done deals. FCS might be cheaper but not much. This, and I don't see the incentive for any of the 10 traitorous teams to schedule OSU next season either. They already have a league, most have their OOC schedule filled as well. What's in it for them? I think we play former pac teams only as part of a settlement of the court case. Our AD and President have said over and over that the departing schools and their new conferences caused the problem for OSU and WSU and they need to help us solve the problem. I think that is why UW and uo have byes on 11/23/24 and nothing has been announced. If a settlement can be reached on the lawsuit part of the settlement will be future games.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 7, 2023 12:03:31 GMT -8
This, and I don't see the incentive for any of the 10 traitorous teams to schedule OSU next season either. They already have a league, most have their OOC schedule filled as well. What's in it for them? I think we play former pac teams only as part of a settlement of the court case. Our AD and President have said over and over that the departing schools and their new conferences caused the problem for OSU and WSU and they need to help us solve the problem. I think that is why UW and uo have byes on 11/23/24 and nothing has been announced. If a settlement can be reached on the lawsuit part of the settlement will be future games. Oregon and Washington have byes on November 23, 2024. And they also play each other on November 30, 2024. That means that they could move the Oregon-Washington forward a week and hold the Apple Cup and Civil War the week following. Lots up in the air.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 7, 2023 12:05:51 GMT -8
in Non conference play the media $$ belongs to the home team and they don't share gate $$. I doubt the MWC plays along unless you offer some sort of future merger deal. Why would they? Only two have openings and they are looking for home games. MWC teams pay between $500K and $700K for teams to visit their stadiums OOC for a one and done deals. FCS might be cheaper but not much. This, and I don't see the incentive for any of the 10 traitorous teams to schedule OSU next season either. They already have a league, most have their OOC schedule filled as well. What's in it for them? California and Utah need help. I could see scheduling both. I was more bullish before, but this has dragged on so long that a lot of the other teams that had openings have filled them already.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 7, 2023 12:50:41 GMT -8
Media deals are split. Then, there would be some share of the gate. The last time that I checked that, it was capped at something like $250,000 for conference opponents, but that would not be true in a non-conference game. I would add that everyone is going to be putting a lot of pressure on everyone else to get the Apple Cup and Civil War scheduled. That includes, the universities, the boosters, media, etc. You do not want to be the one that 86s either of those rivalry games, because it would be a significant black eye for your program. And that goes for Oregon State. You don't want to be the team that is too scared to play Oregon at Reser. Your program may never recover. California and Utah should be added immediately, the two easiest teams to add. Then, hopefully, we can get at least an additional five Mountain West teams together to make a complete schedule. Otherwise, you are looking at teams like Army, Connecticut, and Navy to fill out a schedule. in Non conference play the media $$ belongs to the home team and they don't share gate $$. I doubt the MWC plays along unless you offer some sort of future merger deal. Why would they? Only two have openings and they are looking for home games. MWC teams pay between $500K and $700K for teams to visit their stadiums OOC for a one and done deals. FCS might be cheaper but not much. Since when? Media is always split. It has been for decades. The Pac-12 splits gate. It just caps it at a certain amount. Usually, the contract between the two nonconference schools wipe out gate, but college football is very atypical in that regard. In almost every other sport, gate is split, not always evenly, but it is split. At neutral site games, it is split, as is media. I am thinking that you have to promise that the Pac-12 will merge with multiple Mountain West teams or at least promise not to take fewer than half of the Mountain West teams, in order to get the Mountain West to go along. Right now, Hawai'i, Nevada, New Mexico, San Diego State, UNLV, and Utah State have openings to fill. It would be a 13th game for Hawai'i, Nevada, New Mexico, and UNLV. They probably would not typically add a 13th game, but Oregon State and Wazzu may be big enough games to make it worthwhile. And, as stated, San Diego State and Utah State may want a home game. To an extent, it makes sense to try and schedule San Diego State in San Diego. It is both a great location and a great opponent and would be fair. Plus, we could squeeze a home game in 2025 before the scheduled road game in 2026. As for how this would all work, I would hazard to guess that all 12 Mountain West teams agree to swap out one conference game for a game against Oregon State or Wazzu. Oregon State is guaranteed to get a road game to San Diego State to make it all even out. Three home games and three away games, one more game against a California team, a Colorado team, and a Nevada team. That with the road trip to Boise makes seven games against Mountain West teams. You also have the home games against Idaho State and Purdue, which gets you to nine. The Wazzu game in Corvallis makes 10. Add the Civil War in Corvallis makes 11. Then, just add Cal. Something like: August 31 Idaho StateSeptember 7 @ Boise StateSeptember 14 Fresno State September 21 Purdue September 28 Bye October 5 @ WyomingOctober 12 CalOctober 19 @ Air ForceOctober 26 ByeNovember 2 Utah StateNovember 9 @ San Diego StateNovember 16 UNLV November 23 OregonNovember 30 Washington State
That gets every Mountain West team to eight games against the Pac-12/Mountain West teams, which means you could crown a combined champion next year and ink bowl contracts, etc.
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Post by p8nted on Nov 8, 2023 15:37:40 GMT -8
in Non conference play the media $$ belongs to the home team and they don't share gate $$. I doubt the MWC plays along unless you offer some sort of future merger deal. Why would they? Only two have openings and they are looking for home games. MWC teams pay between $500K and $700K for teams to visit their stadiums OOC for a one and done deals. FCS might be cheaper but not much. Since when? Media is always split. It has been for decades. The Pac-12 splits gate. It just caps it at a certain amount. Usually, the contract between the two nonconference schools wipe out gate, but college football is very atypical in that regard. In almost every other sport, gate is split, not always evenly, but it is split. At neutral site games, it is split, as is media. I am thinking that you have to promise that the Pac-12 will merge with multiple Mountain West teams or at least promise not to take fewer than half of the Mountain West teams, in order to get the Mountain West to go along. Right now, Hawai'i, Nevada, New Mexico, San Diego State, UNLV, and Utah State have openings to fill. It would be a 13th game for Hawai'i, Nevada, New Mexico, and UNLV. They probably would not typically add a 13th game, but Oregon State and Wazzu may be big enough games to make it worthwhile. And, as stated, San Diego State and Utah State may want a home game. To an extent, it makes sense to try and schedule San Diego State in San Diego. It is both a great location and a great opponent and would be fair. Plus, we could squeeze a home game in 2025 before the scheduled road game in 2026. As for how this would all work, I would hazard to guess that all 12 Mountain West teams agree to swap out one conference game for a game against Oregon State or Wazzu. Oregon State is guaranteed to get a road game to San Diego State to make it all even out. Three home games and three away games, one more game against a California team, a Colorado team, and a Nevada team. That with the road trip to Boise makes seven games against Mountain West teams. You also have the home games against Idaho State and Purdue, which gets you to nine. The Wazzu game in Corvallis makes 10. Add the Civil War in Corvallis makes 11. Then, just add Cal. Something like: August 31 Idaho StateSeptember 7 @ Boise StateSeptember 14 Fresno State September 21 Purdue September 28 Bye October 5 @ WyomingOctober 12 CalOctober 19 @ Air ForceOctober 26 ByeNovember 2 Utah StateNovember 9 @ San Diego StateNovember 16 UNLV November 23 OregonNovember 30 Washington State
That gets every Mountain West team to eight games against the Pac-12/Mountain West teams, which means you could crown a combined champion next year and ink bowl contracts, etc. Link? in non-conference the contracts are just a flat fee to come play for a one and done game. No mention of Media or gate sharing and I have seen a couple in non PAC contracts. I doubt UW gave Montana any media split for the game in Seattle. One big difference in G5 versus P5 is the lack of depth on a team. Most teams don't like the 13th game due to increased risk of injuries and fatigue that can risk bowls and conference championships. You ask a lot for a small return. With no merger why would the MWC share a bowl contract?
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 8, 2023 16:09:35 GMT -8
Since when? Media is always split. It has been for decades. The Pac-12 splits gate. It just caps it at a certain amount. Usually, the contract between the two nonconference schools wipe out gate, but college football is very atypical in that regard. In almost every other sport, gate is split, not always evenly, but it is split. At neutral site games, it is split, as is media. I am thinking that you have to promise that the Pac-12 will merge with multiple Mountain West teams or at least promise not to take fewer than half of the Mountain West teams, in order to get the Mountain West to go along. Right now, Hawai'i, Nevada, New Mexico, San Diego State, UNLV, and Utah State have openings to fill. It would be a 13th game for Hawai'i, Nevada, New Mexico, and UNLV. They probably would not typically add a 13th game, but Oregon State and Wazzu may be big enough games to make it worthwhile. And, as stated, San Diego State and Utah State may want a home game. To an extent, it makes sense to try and schedule San Diego State in San Diego. It is both a great location and a great opponent and would be fair. Plus, we could squeeze a home game in 2025 before the scheduled road game in 2026. As for how this would all work, I would hazard to guess that all 12 Mountain West teams agree to swap out one conference game for a game against Oregon State or Wazzu. Oregon State is guaranteed to get a road game to San Diego State to make it all even out. Three home games and three away games, one more game against a California team, a Colorado team, and a Nevada team. That with the road trip to Boise makes seven games against Mountain West teams. You also have the home games against Idaho State and Purdue, which gets you to nine. The Wazzu game in Corvallis makes 10. Add the Civil War in Corvallis makes 11. Then, just add Cal. Something like: August 31 Idaho StateSeptember 7 @ Boise StateSeptember 14 Fresno State September 21 Purdue September 28 Bye October 5 @ WyomingOctober 12 CalOctober 19 @ Air ForceOctober 26 ByeNovember 2 Utah StateNovember 9 @ San Diego StateNovember 16 UNLV November 23 OregonNovember 30 Washington State
That gets every Mountain West team to eight games against the Pac-12/Mountain West teams, which means you could crown a combined champion next year and ink bowl contracts, etc. Link? in non-conference the contracts are just a flat fee to come play for a one and done game. No mention of Media or gate sharing and I have seen a couple in non PAC contracts. I doubt UW gave Montana any media split for the game in Seattle. One big difference in G5 versus P5 is the lack of depth on a team. Most teams don't like the 13th game due to increased risk of injuries and fatigue that can risk bowls and conference championships. You ask a lot for a small return. With no merger why would the MWC share a bowl contract? Most nonconference one-and-dones are set by the contract. Normally, you would split gate somehow and someway. But the contract typically spells out a cap in football. That is true in almost no other sport. A nonconference neutral site game But where do you think that money comes from? If there are no fans, does the road team still get paid? If it is not televised, does the road team still get paid? None of the money comes from the host university. It either comes from gate or from the media deal split. And that is spelled out in the contract.
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Post by p8nted on Nov 8, 2023 19:07:29 GMT -8
Link? in non-conference the contracts are just a flat fee to come play for a one and done game. No mention of Media or gate sharing and I have seen a couple in non PAC contracts. I doubt UW gave Montana any media split for the game in Seattle. One big difference in G5 versus P5 is the lack of depth on a team. Most teams don't like the 13th game due to increased risk of injuries and fatigue that can risk bowls and conference championships. You ask a lot for a small return. With no merger why would the MWC share a bowl contract? Most nonconference one-and-dones are set by the contract. Normally, you would split gate somehow and someway. But the contract typically spells out a cap in football. That is true in almost no other sport. A nonconference neutral site game But where do you think that money comes from? If there are no fans, does the road team still get paid? If it is not televised, does the road team still get paid? None of the money comes from the host university. It either comes from gate or from the media deal split. And that is spelled out in the contract. Semantics now. For example: UW wrote a check to the University of Montana for them to visit. Montana had no clue, and didn't care, where the money came from. Media, gate, student activity fees, conference payouts, etc, it Didn't matter to Montana they just want a check. UW does its bookkeeping however they want to but the funds came from the UW Athletic fund which has multiple revenue sources.
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Post by korculabeav on Nov 8, 2023 19:37:07 GMT -8
Doubtful uw or hole want to play OSU or WSU unless it is on their terms such as next year is in Eugene and not Corvallis. I am onboard to play them but needs to honor home and home rotation as if it was in conference and a fair media or other revenue share.
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Post by orangeattack on Nov 8, 2023 19:59:34 GMT -8
Doubtful uw or hole want to play OSU or WSU unless it is on their terms such as next year is in Eugene and not Corvallis. I am onboard to play them but needs to honor home and home rotation as if it was in conference and a fair media or other revenue share. I'm not onboard to play them. I would rather watch them get beat down by the Big 10 for a few years and then limp into a meaningless bowl game without being able to crow that at least they beat the Beavers. I would rather see Oregon State routinely end up ranked higher after smashing through an easier schedule, Boise State style. But I'll tell you what, if Oregon State signs up for bodybag road games at Autzen instead of the home and home rotation being honored, I'm breaking out the torches and pitchforks and forming a mob.
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Post by messi on Nov 8, 2023 22:00:27 GMT -8
Doubtful uw or hole want to play OSU or WSU unless it is on their terms such as next year is in Eugene and not Corvallis. I am onboard to play them but needs to honor home and home rotation as if it was in conference and a fair media or other revenue share. I'm not onboard to play them. I would rather watch them get beat down by the Big 10 for a few years and then limp into a meaningless bowl game without being able to crow that at least they beat the Beavers. I would rather see Oregon State routinely end up ranked higher after smashing through an easier schedule, Boise State style. But I'll tell you what, if Oregon State signs up for bodybag road games at Autzen instead of the home and home rotation being honored, I'm breaking out the torches and pitchforks and forming a mob. I like the idea of meeting them in a bowl game, where OSU has a great season, and o has a mediocre season. I like our chances in that.
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Post by orangeattack on Nov 8, 2023 22:11:35 GMT -8
I'm not onboard to play them. I would rather watch them get beat down by the Big 10 for a few years and then limp into a meaningless bowl game without being able to crow that at least they beat the Beavers. I would rather see Oregon State routinely end up ranked higher after smashing through an easier schedule, Boise State style. But I'll tell you what, if Oregon State signs up for bodybag road games at Autzen instead of the home and home rotation being honored, I'm breaking out the torches and pitchforks and forming a mob. I like the idea of meeting them in a bowl game, where OSU has a great season, and o has a mediocre season. I like our chances in that. For me personally I'm so disillusioned with the backstabbing and obvious attempt to leave OSU and WSU behind, that I can't see far past wanting only the worst things to happen to that program and to never lose another football game to the Ducks. It doesn't matter one bit whatsoever what my feelings are, but I kind of hope OSU doesn't play them again until the Oregon program has been practically dismantled.
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Post by p8nted on Nov 14, 2023 10:51:08 GMT -8
PAC 2 reaches out to sunbelt for a scheduling alliance. Sun Belt says no. Here’s an update from Ross Dellenger sports.yahoo.com/who-will-control-pac-12-moving-forward-tuesdays-hearing-could-have-wide-ranging-impacts-140006253.htmlWhat’s interesting is that he reports OSU and WSU recently reached out to the Sun Belt (!) about a football scheduling alliance. The Sun Belt presidents said no. Why would OSU and WSU do this? Well, it seems their talks with the MWC have run into a snag: Oregon State and Washington State, clearly still toying with the idea of rebuilding the conference, have been in discussion with the Mountain West over a scheduling alliance to complete a 12-game slate in the short term. But that comes with strings. The Mountain West wants a more long-term commitment and financial incentives as part of any alliance.
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