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Post by beavs6 on Nov 3, 2023 9:02:18 GMT -8
I'm pretty sure the intention is to play as the Pac-2 and fill out the schedule with MWC teams. I wish I knew where I saw the quote, but somebody (on X, I believe) posted Barnes saying something to the effect of OSU is looking at a scheduling deal with the MWC, not to join the MWC. Of course, he can't really say that OSU intends to join any conference right now due to the legal proceedings. And joining the MWC is not quite the same as a merger, of course. IMO the long term intention has always been to find a way into or stay in a power conference. Therefore the move forward as the Pac-2 seems to be the answer, as long as the court case comes out positively for OSU and WSU... What do you do with olympic sports? A take from another board. Quote from Hawaiian Mongoose "There’s also the technical matter of whether the Pac can continue on as a D1 conference for one or two years if it has zero members playing Olympic sports in the Pac during that time. Yes, there’s the two-year grace period for a D1 conference to retain its status if its membership count falls below the minimum of seven and if it fails to meet minimum sports sponsorship requirements (including the mandate to sponsor men's and women's basketball). But the grace period provision only grants relief for failures to meet these minimums caused by the "withdrawal of institution(s)." If OSU and WSU maintain they're still in the Pac and the Pac still exists, but neither plays any Olympic sports in the Pac for one or two seasons, then the Pac will fail to meet the minimum sports sponsorship requirements and its failure will be in part due to voluntary actions of institutions that have not withdrawn. It seems to me that the Pac's status as a D1 conference might be immediately revocable on that basis." Sounds like a uo honk trying to continue the full demise of the PAC12. Why wouldn't WSU and OSU still field Olympic sports and have those athletes still compete? The 2 remaining PAC schools would STILL have participants in ALL sports, just not over the minimum school level for NCAA conference recognition. What am I missing? I have not seen one iota of information saying OSU was folding up the athletic department tent. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 3, 2023 9:30:36 GMT -8
What do you do with olympic sports? A take from another board. Quote from Hawaiian Mongoose "There’s also the technical matter of whether the Pac can continue on as a D1 conference for one or two years if it has zero members playing Olympic sports in the Pac during that time. Yes, there’s the two-year grace period for a D1 conference to retain its status if its membership count falls below the minimum of seven and if it fails to meet minimum sports sponsorship requirements (including the mandate to sponsor men's and women's basketball). But the grace period provision only grants relief for failures to meet these minimums caused by the "withdrawal of institution(s)." If OSU and WSU maintain they're still in the Pac and the Pac still exists, but neither plays any Olympic sports in the Pac for one or two seasons, then the Pac will fail to meet the minimum sports sponsorship requirements and its failure will be in part due to voluntary actions of institutions that have not withdrawn. It seems to me that the Pac's status as a D1 conference might be immediately revocable on that basis." Sounds like a uo honk trying to continue the full demise of the PAC12. Why wouldn't WSU and OSU still field Olympic sports and have those athletes still compete? The 2 remaining PAC schools would STILL have participants in ALL sports, just not over the minimum school level for NCAA conference recognition. What am I missing? I have not seen one iota of information saying OSU was folding up the athletic department tent. He's not saying Olympic sports would disappear. He's saying they would not be competing under the Pac-2 banner (as affiliate members of the MSC or some other league) and that could make the conference untenable. |
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Post by p8nted on Nov 3, 2023 10:03:53 GMT -8
What do you do with olympic sports? A take from another board. Quote from Hawaiian Mongoose "There’s also the technical matter of whether the Pac can continue on as a D1 conference for one or two years if it has zero members playing Olympic sports in the Pac during that time. Yes, there’s the two-year grace period for a D1 conference to retain its status if its membership count falls below the minimum of seven and if it fails to meet minimum sports sponsorship requirements (including the mandate to sponsor men's and women's basketball). But the grace period provision only grants relief for failures to meet these minimums caused by the "withdrawal of institution(s)." If OSU and WSU maintain they're still in the Pac and the Pac still exists, but neither plays any Olympic sports in the Pac for one or two seasons, then the Pac will fail to meet the minimum sports sponsorship requirements and its failure will be in part due to voluntary actions of institutions that have not withdrawn. It seems to me that the Pac's status as a D1 conference might be immediately revocable on that basis." Olympic sports gone for two years? Really.....? WOW, if true.
Baseball, Softball, soccer, basketball, volleyball and gymnastics are Olympic sports, So do you keep the coaches for these Olympic sports on the payroll for two seasons twiddling their thumbs? Some just won't stick around.
What about the current scholarships for these sports What about recruiting in all of this and then rebuilding these teams from scratch again? Recruiting is not in a standstill right now. This is horrible if this is accurate.
The teams will still play but if they play under the Pac 2 banner there will be no NCAA autobids for postseason tournaments. They will be considered independents for an at large NCAA bid. If you can pull together a schedule at this point in time the odds of any of these teams being in the NCAA tournaments is low. If you put them in say the BIG West or MWC for a year or two that immediately endangers the PAC 2 as a conference in the eyes of the NCAA. |
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Post by p8nted on Nov 3, 2023 10:15:53 GMT -8
I looked up the schedules on FBS schedules. New Mexico, Nevada, Hawaii, and UNLV have full 12 game schedules. Utah State and SDSU are open but that won't last long. Doubt they want 13 games. There are also a handful of B12 + defecting P12 schools that have openings now. Utah and BYU were originally playing an OOC game, that's now a B12 game, so they each have an open non-conf slot. WSU already has SDSU on the schedule for 2024 & 2025, we might as well add them too! I think Cal still has an open date. Tricky part in all of this will be finding open dates in Oct & Nov. Ugh. Not to mention the whole mess of where the game is played. For SDSU they have two OOC games on the road so we would have to go there. Independents have a difficult time with home games |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 3, 2023 11:46:35 GMT -8
There are also a handful of B12 + defecting P12 schools that have openings now. Utah and BYU were originally playing an OOC game, that's now a B12 game, so they each have an open non-conf slot. WSU already has SDSU on the schedule for 2024 & 2025, we might as well add them too! I think Cal still has an open date. Tricky part in all of this will be finding open dates in Oct & Nov. Ugh. Not to mention the whole mess of where the game is played. For SDSU they have two OOC games on the road so we would have to go there. Independents have a difficult time with home games I could see getting home games other than the ones we already have scheduled next year being difficult, getting 6 home games being very difficult unless we schedule a bunch of FCS home games. |
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Post by sparty on Nov 3, 2023 11:52:44 GMT -8
Olympic sports gone for two years? Really.....? WOW, if true.
Baseball, Softball, soccer, basketball, volleyball and gymnastics are Olympic sports, So do you keep the coaches for these Olympic sports on the payroll for two seasons twiddling their thumbs? Some just won't stick around.
What about the current scholarships for these sports What about recruiting in all of this and then rebuilding these teams from scratch again? Recruiting is not in a standstill right now. This is horrible if this is accurate.
The teams will still play but if they play under the Pac 2 banner there will be no NCAA autobids for postseason tournaments. They will be considered independents for an at large NCAA bid. If you can pull together a schedule at this point in time the odds of any of these teams being in the NCAA tournaments is low. If you put them in say the BIG West or MWC for a year or two that immediately endangers the PAC 2 as a conference in the eyes of the NCAA. Still just plain sucks. Please tell me it won't affect recruiting. |
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Post by p8nted on Nov 3, 2023 12:00:34 GMT -8
The teams will still play but if they play under the Pac 2 banner there will be no NCAA autobids for postseason tournaments. They will be considered independents for an at large NCAA bid. If you can pull together a schedule at this point in time the odds of any of these teams being in the NCAA tournaments is low. If you put them in say the BIG West or MWC for a year or two that immediately endangers the PAC 2 as a conference in the eyes of the NCAA. Still just plain sucks. Please tell me it won't affect recruiting. I am sure it already is. Longer this drags out the more it will impact everything |
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Post by ftd on Nov 3, 2023 14:13:56 GMT -8
Reser maybe
Otherwise hard no...unless they agree to move this years CW to Reser...
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Post by bvrbooster on Nov 3, 2023 14:29:49 GMT -8
Oregon saying they're still talking about playing Oregon State next year, AFTER their full schedule has already been released, is like the lawyer saying we're appealing to the governor for clemency the day after the condemned man has been executed.
If we desperately need to fill a schedule and they're willing to play here, schedule it so our fans can boo them unmercifully for 3 hours (including during the tv timeouts).
If not, tell them to KISS MY ROYAL IRISH ASS !
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 4, 2023 13:48:15 GMT -8
Oregon saying they're still talking about playing Oregon State next year, AFTER their full schedule has already been released, is like the lawyer saying we're appealing to the governor for clemency the day after the condemned man has been executed. If we desperately need to fill a schedule and they're willing to play here, schedule it so our fans can boo them unmercifully for 3 hours (including during the tv timeouts). If not, tell them to KISS MY ROYAL IRISH ASS ! I mean......... Oregon State changed their schedule in 2017 AFTER their full schedule had already been released. I would say that it is painfully obvious that Oregon State desperately needs to fill their schedule. Basically a free $2 million+ to play Oregon, as opposed to paying someone else or playing a body-bag game for $1 million. No brainer, if Oregon is interested in continuing it. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Nov 4, 2023 15:47:24 GMT -8
We'll have to agree to disagree. I'd rather be out the payday than suck up to Oregon for a seat at the beggar's table.
And doesn't your last sentence pretty much imply that OSU is interested in continuing it? Perhaps the administration feels the same as many on this board do.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 4, 2023 21:23:38 GMT -8
We'll have to agree to disagree. I'd rather be out the payday than suck up to Oregon for a seat at the beggar's table. And doesn't your last sentence pretty much imply that OSU is interested in continuing it? Perhaps the administration feels the same as many on this board do. I think that the administration knows that you are looking at monstrous cuts, unless you make a deal with the Devil. One $2+ million football game helps to keep the lights on. |
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Post by fishwrapper on Nov 4, 2023 21:36:07 GMT -8
If you have to sell your soul to make a deal with the Devil to keep the lights on, you've already lost the game before kickoff.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 4, 2023 22:17:01 GMT -8
If you have to sell your soul to make a deal with the Devil to keep the lights on, you've already lost the game before kickoff. In the 50s and 60s, we faced a similar scenario. But we kept playing and beating the traitors. You get through this hiccup by scheduling aggressively and beating the traitors. You become irrelevant by hiding from other Power Five teams. If you're not making deals. Someone else will. Cut off your nose to spite your face, if you would like. I disagree with the "strategy." |
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Post by sparty on Nov 5, 2023 5:22:07 GMT -8
If you have to sell your soul to make a deal with the Devil to keep the lights on, you've already lost the game before kickoff. In the 50s and 60s, we faced a similar scenario. But we kept playing and beating the traitors. You get through this hiccup by scheduling aggressively and beating the traitors. You become irrelevant by hiding from other Power Five teams. If you're not making deals. Someone else will. Cut off your nose to spite your face, if you would like. I disagree with the "strategy." Interesting take but college football in the 50's and 60's does not look the same today. Agree with becoming irrevelant though. Look on how quickly WSU is becoming irrevelant to the rebuild plans, Maybe they should be kicked out? |
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