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Post by grayman on Oct 2, 2023 17:13:33 GMT -8
There's been a bunch of posts on X today saying that OSU is headed to the Big 12.
At least one poster is claiming to have sources telling him this is going to happen and is "breaking" the news.
I have not seen anything that I would consider to be from a known journalist or journalistic site but it's definitely gained steam for whatever reason.
There seems to be a theory that UO might help make it happen financially. This doesn't seem all that likely to me but I haven't really looked into it much.
Also, some are taking the news that Barnes is staying as an indication that he thinks OSU will be joining the Big 12.
I think more people are looking at the scenario regarding a continued Pac conference (OSU and WSU) landing a CFP payday that might grow to more than $300 million soon and the likelihood that the SEC, Big Ten, ACC and Big 12 would want to eliminate the Pac completely to share that extra money. That would be through an agreement leading OSU and WSU to the Big 12.
Again, I'm just pointing out that there's been quite a bit more buzz starting this afternoon or so on social media about OSU going to the Big 12. And I, FWIW, find that interesting.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 2, 2023 18:05:49 GMT -8
I'm not too excited about this. I'll believe it when I hear it from other sources than Locked on Big 12.
Locked on Big 12 released a video several days ago saying he thought the Pac 2 would end up in the Big 12...
...the Monty Show said they couldn't verify anything he said and called it a conspiracy theory....
Then today Locked on Big 12 said Monty is wrong, we can prove it...
...and he proceeds to put on a guy going by the name "Immaculate" who shows OSU and WSU will get 320 Million a year if they stay the Pac 2 for 2 years (Sound familiar?) and he can show it's probably true... then Immaculate says "this is where I got my idea" a couple times over 10 minutes without saying anything about proof that the Pac 2 was joining the Big 12...
...and after 10 minutes of proving nothing about the Pac 2 joining the Big 12 they said "of course you won't hear this from Big 12 leadership" and started talking about other conferences...
...and I got bored and stopped watching. If he offers proof later, then my bad for turning it off, but he shouldn't have switched topics.
Unless they "proved" something else after I turned it off, they proved nothing. They did pat themselves on the back and said they did solid research a couple of times. Yea for them.
I am seeing stuff on X pointing to his post, so apparently some people are hooked in. I am seeing other posts that OSU and WSU will probably be invited in 2 years after their money stops - just theory.
It'll be interesting if anything comes of this. If it had any legs I'd have expected the Monty show to have had a post on it this afternoon. I'm thinking this is two guys with a theory only.
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Post by sparty on Oct 2, 2023 18:24:33 GMT -8
I'm not too excited about this. I'll believe it when I hear it from other sources than Locked on Big 12. Locked on Big 12 released a video several days ago saying he thought the Pac 2 would end up in the Big 12... ...the Monty Show said they couldn't verify anything he said and called it a conspiracy theory.... Then today Locked on Big 12 said Monty is wrong, we can prove it... ...and he proceeds to put on a guy going by the name "Immaculate" who shows OSU and WSU will get 320 Million a year if they stay the Pac 2 for 2 years (Sound familiar?) and he can show it's probably true... then Immaculate says "this is where I got my idea" a couple times over 10 minutes without saying anything about proof that the Pac 2 was joining the Big 12... ...and after 10 minutes of proving nothing about the Pac 2 joining the Big 12 they said "of course you won't hear this from Big 12 leadership" and started talking about other conferences... ...and I got bored and stopped watching. If he offers proof later, then my bad for turning it off, but he shouldn't have switched topics. Unless they "proved" something else after I turned it off, they proved nothing. They did pat themselves on the back and said they did solid research a couple of times. Yea for them. I am seeing stuff on X pointing to his post, so apparently some people are hooked in. I am seeing other posts that OSU and WSU will probably be invited in 2 years after their money stops - just theory. It'll be interesting if anything comes of this. If it had any legs I'd have expected the Monty show to have had a post on it this afternoon. I'm thinking this is two guys with a theory only. Until it comes from Canzano's mouth on his radio show and his from his certified sources  everything regarding the Big12 is just click bait material |
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Post by grayman on Oct 2, 2023 18:32:58 GMT -8
I'm not too excited about this. I'll believe it when I hear it from other sources than Locked on Big 12. Locked on Big 12 released a video several days ago saying he thought the Pac 2 would end up in the Big 12... ...the Monty Show said they couldn't verify anything he said and called it a conspiracy theory.... Then today Locked on Big 12 said Monty is wrong, we can prove it... ...and he proceeds to put on a guy going by the name "Immaculate" who shows OSU and WSU will get 320 Million a year if they stay the Pac 2 for 2 years (Sound familiar?) and he can show it's probably true... then Immaculate says "this is where I got my idea" a couple times over 10 minutes without saying anything about proof that the Pac 2 was joining the Big 12... ...and after 10 minutes of proving nothing about the Pac 2 joining the Big 12 they said "of course you won't hear this from Big 12 leadership" and started talking about other conferences... ...and I got bored and stopped watching. If he offers proof later, then my bad for turning it off, but he shouldn't have switched topics. Unless they "proved" something else after I turned it off, they proved nothing. They did pat themselves on the back and said they did solid research a couple of times. Yea for them. I am seeing stuff on X pointing to his post, so apparently some people are hooked in. I am seeing other posts that OSU and WSU will probably be invited in 2 years after their money stops - just theory. It'll be interesting if anything comes of this. If it had any legs I'd have expected the Monty show to have had a post on it this afternoon. I'm thinking this is two guys with a theory only. Until it comes from Canzano's mouth on his radio show and his from his certified sources everything regarding the Big12 is just click bait material For sure...it was a lot of smoke and no fire (at least so far). I just thought it was interesting that there was so much smoke. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Oct 2, 2023 19:16:17 GMT -8
Were the guys on locked on big12 eating chips when creating all the smoke?
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Post by bvrbooster on Oct 2, 2023 20:05:18 GMT -8
Every 4 or 5 days, somebody gets this going again, then it gets some buzz for 24 hours, and then it dies, only to be resurrected yet again 3 days later. But who are the people getting it going? People not too different from us, but on steroids about this stuff. Then who gives it the buzz for the next day? That would be people exactly like us, posting on boards exactly like this - and, of course, on this board.
I don't buy into the 'where there's smoke, there's fire' line of thinking, mainly because, up to this point, all the smoke has been blown up my ass. When a respected journalist starts saying this stuff, then I'll pay attention.
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 2, 2023 20:28:15 GMT -8
Yawn…..
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 2, 2023 20:30:21 GMT -8
Every 4 or 5 days, somebody gets this going again, then it gets some buzz for 24 hours, and then it dies, only to be resurrected yet again 3 days later. But who are the people getting it going? People not too different from us, but on steroids about this stuff. Then who gives it the buzz for the next day? That would be people exactly like us, posting on boards exactly like this - and, of course, on this board. I don't buy into the 'where there's smoke, there's fire' line of thinking, mainly because, up to this point, all the smoke has been blown up my ass. When a respected journalist starts saying this stuff, then I'll pay attention. Hey man!! There was a source on X that has the inside info! |
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Post by grayman on Oct 2, 2023 20:37:38 GMT -8
Every 4 or 5 days, somebody gets this going again, then it gets some buzz for 24 hours, and then it dies, only to be resurrected yet again 3 days later. But who are the people getting it going? People not too different from us, but on steroids about this stuff. Then who gives it the buzz for the next day? That would be people exactly like us, posting on boards exactly like this - and, of course, on this board. I don't buy into the 'where there's smoke, there's fire' line of thinking, mainly because, up to this point, all the smoke has been blown up my ass. When a respected journalist starts saying this stuff, then I'll pay attention. Hey man!! There was a source on X that has the inside info! Hey man!! The OP said nothing of the sort but I'm going to mock the thread anyway. Yawn right back at you, o bringer of nothing. |
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Post by Dave86 on Oct 2, 2023 21:08:00 GMT -8
Every 4 or 5 days, somebody gets this going again, then it gets some buzz for 24 hours, and then it dies, only to be resurrected yet again 3 days later. But who are the people getting it going? People not too different from us, but on steroids about this stuff. Then who gives it the buzz for the next day? That would be people exactly like us, posting on boards exactly like this - and, of course, on this board. I don't buy into the 'where there's smoke, there's fire' line of thinking, mainly because, up to this point, all the smoke has been blown up my ass. When a respected journalist starts saying this stuff, then I'll pay attention. Oh... I think bvrbooster has the right idea! What is below is entirely made up, but basically is how it works... Day 1: Someone one this forum starts yet another thread about the Beavers & Cougars joining the Big-12 Day 2: A WSU fan, who is lurking on this forum, posts on a Cougar message board "WSU & OSU to Big-12" Day 4: A sports radio personality in Arizona looking desperately for something to talk about regarding conference realignment & the Big-12, surfs the Cougars' boards and tweets "News flash: WSU & OSU to Big-12" Day 5: Some kid in Oklahoma sees the Arizona tweet and reports it as breaking news on his Big-12 podcast Day 6: The Oklahoma podcast is then linked in this forum, and we start the Big-12 rumor thing all over again... What a roller coaster ride. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 2, 2023 22:03:54 GMT -8
Hey man!! There was a source on X that has the inside info! Hey man!! The OP said nothing of the sort but I'm going to mock the thread anyway. Yawn right back at you, o bringer of nothing. “At least one poster is claiming to have sources telling him this is going to happen and is "breaking" the news.”  |
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Post by grayman on Oct 2, 2023 22:28:44 GMT -8
Hey man!! The OP said nothing of the sort but I'm going to mock the thread anyway. Yawn right back at you, o bringer of nothing. “At least one poster is claiming to have sources telling him this is going to happen and is "breaking" the news.” Yep. Nothing of the sort. I merely described a poster who was touting his "breaking" news. I believe I made it perfectly clear in the OP that none of the posts I saw had legitimate journalism credentials. I basically just wanted some actual discussion about why it might be happening...not "yawn." Probably was expecting too much. |
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Post by bennyskid on Oct 3, 2023 7:04:41 GMT -8
So lets actually discuss it. If drunkandstoopidbeav had paid closer attention, he would have understood the main point. The $320m may be an estimate, and (of course) it will be subject to litigation, but it really exists. And as long as it exists, and OSU/WSU have claims on it that a court might ratify, there is hope.
The money exists because the CFB contracts were written in an odd way. There was no way that all of D1-A football was going to sit still while certain conferences created a playoff and arbitrarily took the vast majority of the money. So the CFB wasn't created by the conferences, per se. It was a drafted as an agreement among the major bowls - Rose, Orange, Sugar - who happened to have contracts with those major conferences to host their champions. The "Power 5" became the "Power 5" because they already tie-ins with these bowls. The non-P5 schools had little to hang a complaint upon, as they never had access to these bowls in the first place. They were given a small cut of the profits and an infinitesimal chance of getting a team into the playoffs and were sent away.
Sp the documents are all written with reference to the three bowls and the five conferences affiliated with them. That didn't change as the system expanded - no thought the Pac would implode.
The apt analogy here is that the stock that the Pac12 had in "Rose Bowl Inc." turned into stock into "CFB, Inc.", and OSU and WSU control that stock. That stock pays dividends that are likely over $100m/yr.
There are multiple avenues for legal challenge. The CFB will try to claim that the Pac is no longer a conference, of course. But in the contract, it clearly was the bowl that mattered, not the conference. The P5 conferences don't have preferential treatment because they are strong conferences, but because they gave up their bowl affiliations. So the relative strength or weakness of the Pac is irrelevant - only that it once had that contract with the Rose Bowl.
The rat-bastards that abandoned the Pac will surely try to claim a share in that money. I think that's a harder claim to adjudicate, but we're lucky that USC and UCLA left first and allowed the conference to set a bunch of precedents. (And then Colorado bailed and we reinforced some of those precedents.)
But this doesn't get to litigation unless everyone is an idiot. It's one of those cases in which every party benefits from a settlement, even if they think they are 100% in the right.
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Post by avidbeaver on Oct 3, 2023 8:14:38 GMT -8
The only thing I haven't seen is a denial by the Big 12 commissioner. If he has, I haven't seen it but that isn't surprising. Now, I still won't believe it until I hear it from Barnes. The only other thing I can think of is that there are people out there keeping the rumors alive thinking that will help make it happen.
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Post by beaverdude on Oct 3, 2023 8:20:25 GMT -8
Here's another rumor: WSU telling recruits its going to the Big 12
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everything regarding the Big12 is just click bait material
