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Post by believeinthebeavs on Sept 20, 2023 12:26:09 GMT -8
And Knight bought influence at OHSU too if you forgot about his 500 million donation to their cancer institute and another 125 million to the OHSU cardovascular institute. So your right in him just buying status is his only reason for doing it. And Knight is sort of propping up OHSU too. Just think he could donate to OSU too if he was fair about it. After all why did he donate 125 million to a business school at Stanford. Stanford is way overated as anything special in the business world. And another 400 million to Stanford establish a graduate-level scholarship aimed at preparing a new generation of global leaders.
Stanford and Cal are not better on paper than OSU yet they both in a sense bought there way into the ACC. But Stanford and Cal grads will tell you differently on how much better a CAL or Stanford degree is. Baloney!
Do you not realize Knight has a business graduate degree from Stanford? For a long time uncle phil was donating a like amount for both of his schools. I don't know about now though. |
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 20, 2023 12:29:07 GMT -8
And Knight bought influence at OHSU too if you forgot about his 500 million donation to their cancer institute and another 125 million to the OHSU cardovascular institute. So your right in him just buying status is his only reason for doing it. And Knight is sort of propping up OHSU too. Just think he could donate to OSU too if he was fair about it. After all why did he donate 125 million to a business school at Stanford. Stanford is way overated as anything special in the business world. And another 400 million to Stanford establish a graduate-level scholarship aimed at preparing a new generation of global leaders.
Stanford and Cal are not better on paper than OSU yet they both in a sense bought there way into the ACC. But Stanford and Cal grads will tell you differently on how much better a CAL or Stanford degree is. Baloney!
Do you not realize Knight has a business graduate degree from Stanford? And most big time employers will also tell you how much better a Cal/Stanford degree(s) look on a resume. Right or wrong it's true and will continue to be so. It's called "reputation", yet no way infers a specific applicant is best for the job. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 20, 2023 12:48:02 GMT -8
Almost $480 million this year, not $450m. And the new president said she expects this to be doubled in the future. And yes, Knights' donations are not "research" contributions, any more than the $50 million we just received for the new superconductor building are "research" funds. I'm talking spin, not reality. If you read around, you will hear a school upstream of ours refer to a billion dollars in donations as the foundation of their new research. And it's not just sneaker money - there's big Ballmer money, too. It's spin, used to make their "research" portfolio look bigger than it really is. Just as is it spin to conflate research spending with academic outcomes. They are are not always related - not that they are unrelated, just not always directly related The good news is that we don't do any spin... right?Yes, we have more research spending. And we have better academic outcomes - in many academic areas where there is a 1:1 comparison with that other school. We have much better engineering outcomes at OSU...because that other school doesn't have an engineering program. Just as they have better Marketing and Communications outcomes for their students. Heck, they have better academic outcomes in Law than OSU - because we don't teach law. (As has been mentioned, compare their law school to others, and they lose a bit of their sheen...) If you are on campus, and interact with the research office and senior admins, you will realize that the 480M number is its own dirtily spun secret. Back when he was the head of the research office, Rick Spinrad (now the NOAA administrator - we've has more of those from our campus, too!) was proud to announce the success OSU had in landing the contract to build (well, to be in charge of the building) three new research vessels. At that time, he specifically stated that the contract for the vessels was going to inflate our "research dollars" talking point - as the money for this project shows up in the research bottom line. While these vessels will be used for research, they are an artificial bump in our grants/expenditures talking point. When Murthy arrived on campus, one of her first messages was that OSU need to double its research expenditures - and immediately a number of folks who re affected by that mandate wondered: what number is she using? To read it straight, based on OSU talking points, that mean we're looking to grow to >900B. Which, arguably, we could and/or should - but if that's based on research contract, it means far more than doubling our research expenditures - or getting a few more contrats from NOAA/NSF to manage boat building. Why bring this up? Building the RVs is a lot of money in that 480M number we like to tout - and if has zero direct correlation to academic outcomes, which was the point I was making in the first place (poorly, it appears). I am not defending the other school - only worried about seeing this through overly orange-colored glasses. Even - especially - through clear glasses, we beat 'em where it matters (where it should matter, what with being a university and all...) The Regional Class Research Vessels grant will pay Oregon State 1.98 Million in 2023... To be sure, it was a $390M grant, that has been paid out since 2017 in various chunks, but it is NOT a major component of FY '23's record $480M in research grants. The largest proportion of money this grant accounted for was in it's first year, 2017, when a bulk $120M was issued. It was a reward to A) design a ship (research) and B) operate the ship (research). OSU fully controls this vessel stationed in Newport. The construction happened in Louisiana. OSU also designed the other two that will be built and operated by others. Long story short, is the body of that $480M is made up of hundreds of smaller awards, the vast majority being $1-$5M. I believe the largest single award in FY '23 is $50M and that is to the agricultural sciences college to improve potato crop yields. Oregon State is an active research university as evidenced by the literal hundreds of research rewards it is pulling in. |
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Post by ochobeavo on Sept 20, 2023 12:48:23 GMT -8
Do you not realize Knight has a business graduate degree from Stanford? And most big time employers will also tell you how much better a Cal/Stanford degree(s) look on a resume. Right or wrong it's true and will continue to be so. It's called "reputation", yet no way infers a specific applicant is best for the job. Sadly, this is still very true. My coworker's wife was recently told that they were "really looking for an ivy league grad" for an engineering PM role. One thing to think it.. another thing to say it. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 20, 2023 13:10:17 GMT -8
And most big time employers will also tell you how much better a Cal/Stanford degree(s) look on a resume. Right or wrong it's true and will continue to be so. It's called "reputation", yet no way infers a specific applicant is best for the job. Sadly, this is still very true. My coworker's wife was recently told that they were "really looking for an ivy league grad" for an engineering PM role. One thing to think it.. another thing to say it. I worked with the hiring committee at Ventura County District Attorneys' Office. The first thing that they did was to take all of the resumes and to divide them into two piles based solely on where they went to law school. One pile was the definitely nots and the second was the maybes with the better schools. It was very eye-opening. It made me happy that I went to law school, where I did. I have found that people do not hold an Oregon State liberal arts degree in high esteem in Arizona and California........ |
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Post by ag87 on Sept 20, 2023 13:19:38 GMT -8
I had a conversation with a couple of high school friends and Knute Buehler in maybe 1991. He was a Rhodes scholar from OSU. Summarizing greatly, but as I remember, he said you could get an ivy league or Stanford type education at OSU. but you had to talk to your profs and dean and tell them that's what you want and then you needed to back the talk with effort. He said that's the effort they expect at Stanford (for example) instead of the exception.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Sept 20, 2023 13:58:47 GMT -8
Really hoping this is true
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 20, 2023 14:10:00 GMT -8
And most big time employers will also tell you how much better a Cal/Stanford degree(s) look on a resume. Right or wrong it's true and will continue to be so. It's called "reputation", yet no way infers a specific applicant is best for the job. Sadly, this is still very true. My coworker's wife was recently told that they were "really looking for an ivy league grad" for an engineering PM role. One thing to think it.. another thing to say it. I hired a Yale grad once. Quite possibly the worse researcher I have ever met. Poor stats understanding, poor programing skills... just not great. That is my sample size of one. I get it, reputation means something... but not everything. People can and do buy their way through even prestigious universities. Good in the classroom also doesn't mean good in the the real world. I can't tell you the number of people I've worked with that could not survive the jump from academia to traditional job roles. |
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Post by hottubbeaver on Sept 20, 2023 14:30:46 GMT -8
Sadly, this is still very true. My coworker's wife was recently told that they were "really looking for an ivy league grad" for an engineering PM role. One thing to think it.. another thing to say it. I hired a Yale grad once. Quite possibly the worse researcher I have ever met. Poor stats understanding, poor programing skills... just not great. That is my sample size of one. I get it, reputation means something... but not everything. People can and do buy their way through even prestigious universities. Good in the classroom also doesn't mean good in the the real world. I can't tell you the number of people I've worked with that could not survive the jump from academia to traditional job roles. There's a long list of highly successful people in almost every profession/endeavor who attended "lessor" institutions of higher learning. Ivy league isn't necessarily about a better education, it's about gaining connections to the right crowd. Someone posted about a company hiring an engineer looking for an Ivy league candidate. Why? Well not because they are looking for the best engineer, otherwise that would be an arbitrary means of determining best, it's because they want to tap into the network that comes only with an Ivy League grad on staff. Then there's things like sophistication, refinement, etc... that are expected of the Ivy Leaguer versus the crude state school grad.... It's not entirely about social hierarchy and control but plenty of it is. |
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Post by orangeattack on Sept 20, 2023 15:23:52 GMT -8
Sadly, this is still very true. My coworker's wife was recently told that they were "really looking for an ivy league grad" for an engineering PM role. One thing to think it.. another thing to say it. I hired a Yale grad once. Quite possibly the worse researcher I have ever met. Poor stats understanding, poor programing skills... just not great. That is my sample size of one. I get it, reputation means something... but not everything. People can and do buy their way through even prestigious universities. Good in the classroom also doesn't mean good in the the real world. I can't tell you the number of people I've worked with that could not survive the jump from academia to traditional job roles. One of my best friends works for a research engineering company/consultant and he told me that the most useless employees he has ever hired were from prestigious schools, without fail, haha. But, they also interviewed poorly and were still hired on the basis of their degree/credentials. Then again, he is a college dropout lol. There are some doors it will open for you, some there won't. My daughter has wanted to be a lawyer when she grows up for a long time, the local attorneys she has spoken to said to go to a prestigious school if you want to go into politics or lobbying, because it will matter a lot. But if not, go to school where you are planning to practice law, because you'll start working at a law firm while you're still in school and that usually leads to your first job offer and your entrance into that local community. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Sept 20, 2023 18:31:19 GMT -8
I think that's good advice your daughter is getting. I always thought that, in most private sector jobs, the prestigious degree initially gets you in the door more readily, but, as time goes on, advancement becomes more and more a function of what have you done for me here, not what did you do when you were growing up.
I said most private sector jobs, because there are no doubt law firms, financial houses, and the like in the Northeast that have always been good old boys clubs for the Ivy's, and hire a lot of their best. I grew up back there, and it really is a big deal to them for their kids to get into the best private college they can. That mindset was decidedly less prevalent the further west and the further south you went.
Personally, unless you're looking at Stanford, I think kids in the west are as well served going to one of the public universities as the private ones.
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Post by ochobeavo on Sept 21, 2023 7:35:27 GMT -8
Sadly, this is still very true. My coworker's wife was recently told that they were "really looking for an ivy league grad" for an engineering PM role. One thing to think it.. another thing to say it. I hired a Yale grad once. Quite possibly the worse researcher I have ever met. Poor stats understanding, poor programing skills... just not great. That is my sample size of one. I get it, reputation means something... but not everything. People can and do buy their way through even prestigious universities. Good in the classroom also doesn't mean good in the the real world. I can't tell you the number of people I've worked with that could not survive the jump from academia to traditional job roles. 100%. Working at that big tech company here in Corvallis (we're still here!) - over the years I have come across dozens of brilliant minds with advanced degrees but either 1) simply couldn't communicate 2) lacked basic common sense or 3) really struggled working with cross-functional teams. |
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Post by ftd on Sept 21, 2023 8:06:08 GMT -8
I hired a Yale grad once. Quite possibly the worse researcher I have ever met. Poor stats understanding, poor programing skills... just not great. That is my sample size of one. I get it, reputation means something... but not everything. People can and do buy their way through even prestigious universities. Good in the classroom also doesn't mean good in the the real world. I can't tell you the number of people I've worked with that could not survive the jump from academia to traditional job roles. 100%. Working at that big tech company here in Corvallis (we're still here!) - over the years I have come across dozens of brilliant minds with advanced degrees but either 1) simply couldn't communicate 2) lacked basic common sense or 3) really struggled working with cross-functional teams.  |
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 21, 2023 9:21:11 GMT -8
I hired a Yale grad once. Quite possibly the worse researcher I have ever met. Poor stats understanding, poor programing skills... just not great. That is my sample size of one. I get it, reputation means something... but not everything. People can and do buy their way through even prestigious universities. Good in the classroom also doesn't mean good in the the real world. I can't tell you the number of people I've worked with that could not survive the jump from academia to traditional job roles. 100%. Working at that big tech company here in Corvallis (we're still here!) - over the years I have come across dozens of brilliant minds with advanced degrees but either 1) simply couldn't communicate 2) lacked basic common sense or 3) really struggled working with cross-functional teams. I worked at that big tech company in Corvallis for 7 years until I was laid off in 2009. I don't get out to that side of Corvallis much anymore, particularly since I moved from Atown and live in Salem now (Stownbeaver?...) But I had reason to be there yesterday in fact and man, It is really weird seeing that place the way it is now, a shell of it's former glory and a dozen smaller tech firms leasing out all the fab and office space. Those company wide picnics they'd have in the glory years of inkjets were amazing. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 21, 2023 9:31:44 GMT -8
I hired a Yale grad once. Quite possibly the worse researcher I have ever met. Poor stats understanding, poor programing skills... just not great. That is my sample size of one. I get it, reputation means something... but not everything. People can and do buy their way through even prestigious universities. Good in the classroom also doesn't mean good in the the real world. I can't tell you the number of people I've worked with that could not survive the jump from academia to traditional job roles. One of my best friends works for a research engineering company/consultant and he told me that the most useless employees he has ever hired were from prestigious schools, without fail, haha. But, they also interviewed poorly and were still hired on the basis of their degree/credentials. Then again, he is a college dropout lol. There are some doors it will open for you, some there won't. My daughter has wanted to be a lawyer when she grows up for a long time, the local attorneys she has spoken to said to go to a prestigious school if you want to go into politics or lobbying, because it will matter a lot. But if not, go to school where you are planning to practice law, because you'll start working at a law firm while you're still in school and that usually leads to your first job offer and your entrance into that local community. I also think there is two sides to this coin. the quality Ivy league grads are also picking and choosing employers that are of prestige and notoriety. Like a vault 100 law firm, or fortune 500 company, or some other broadly regarded leader in whatever field the practice is. Reputation works both ways and can also be unfairly used both ways. I think it pays to know thyself at the same time when looking at applicants. I probably should of questioned why a Yale grad was after a junior researcher position for the State of Oregon... if you catch my drift. It can (not always) be a real thing that a seemingly overqualified person on paper wants a certain job. |
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