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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 20, 2023 9:30:38 GMT -8
UO is the worst by far academically in terms of research funding. Our research funding is a great talking point - over 450 megadollars! - but it's a bit misleading to connect research funding to academic excellence. I'm not saying there is not a connection, but it's not a direct, 1:1 connection. While I'm on your side, I must respectfully suggest that you're overstating and oversimplifying just a tad. Research funding? In the last five years, the other school received a billion bucks in research funding, and that's from only one source. Spin that into academics, if you will. Academics define academic standing. Research projects determine research revenue, and working on big-ticket items (such as being the conduit through which funding for a few research-class vessels pads your bottom line) inflates that standing as well. Just to be clear: in terms of real research funding going to actual research projects instead of buildings and endowed chairs (a campus south of here) or boats (our own dirty secret), if you wish to compare the two schools, yes, we do come out ahead. And because of the breadth and depth of of our research enterprise, heck, just with with the engineering program alone, the undergraduate research opportunities occur more, and in more variety of areas, than south of here, which is the academic connection - as, too, is the graduate programs that rely far more on research undergirding the degree activity. I mean - I agree with you, but it's too complicated to let it sit just so...You are conflating things. OSU was awarded over $450 million in research grants last year from a variety of sources, but mostly federal. Oregon was awarded barely $100 million in research grants from federal sources. That is directly corelated to research actions, activities and productivity. Period. OSU is a significantly larger and more successful research institution. Period. indisputable. Oregon State University has been awarded over 4x the amount of competitive research grants than the university of Oregon. University of Oregon has received $1 billion in donations from Phil Knight, in total, split between athletics and academics, from 2005 to 2021 as reported by the Oregonian. This is not a research award. this is a donor grant to support various things. That is NOT research funding, at all and cannot be equated to or considered such. Most of the money Knight has donated has supported capital investments. New buildings, new labs, new equipment and such. University of Oregon is a liberal arts school, not a hard science school. They have a successful law program that is worthy of praise, and exploding marketing and economics programs. but in terms of pure academics, OSU greatly outpaces them. We have more students, more colleges, more degrees, more funding, more designations... we are older, we are bigger and quite frankly we are better. Oregon has a very popular mega donor that buys their notoriety. It goes a long way for them. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 20, 2023 9:40:03 GMT -8
Almost $480 million this year, not $450m. And the new president said she expects this to be doubled in the future.
And yes, Knights' donations are not "research" contributions, any more than the $50 million we just received for the new superconductor building are "research" funds.
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 20, 2023 9:49:25 GMT -8
Almost $480 million this year, not $450m. And the new president said she expects this to be doubled in the future. And yes, Knights' donations are not "research" contributions, any more than the $50 million we just received for the new superconductor building are "research" funds. Exactly. Props to Oregon for having an active significant donor base. Not just Knight, but Kilkenny has donated in close to $100M himself. But to me sure, much of their general status is bought. They have a propped up endowment from trusts funded by Knight. Where OSU's endowment leans far more into the value of its intellectual property and not strict investment value. If Jensen Huang suddenly wants to get real crazy with OSU (more so than his $50 million) then OSU would see an explosion in endowment and general notoriety as quickly and Oregon has seen in the last several years. |
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Post by bvrbred on Sept 20, 2023 9:52:54 GMT -8
Our research funding is a great talking point - over 450 megadollars! - but it's a bit misleading to connect research funding to academic excellence. I'm not saying there is not a connection, but it's not a direct, 1:1 connection. While I'm on your side, I must respectfully suggest that you're overstating and oversimplifying just a tad. Research funding? In the last five years, the other school received a billion bucks in research funding, and that's from only one source. Spin that into academics, if you will. Academics define academic standing. Research projects determine research revenue, and working on big-ticket items (such as being the conduit through which funding for a few research-class vessels pads your bottom line) inflates that standing as well. Just to be clear: in terms of real research funding going to actual research projects instead of buildings and endowed chairs (a campus south of here) or boats (our own dirty secret), if you wish to compare the two schools, yes, we do come out ahead. And because of the breadth and depth of of our research enterprise, heck, just with with the engineering program alone, the undergraduate research opportunities occur more, and in more variety of areas, than south of here, which is the academic connection - as, too, is the graduate programs that rely far more on research undergirding the degree activity. I mean - I agree with you, but it's too complicated to let it sit just so...You are conflating things. OSU was awarded over $450 million in research grants last year from a variety of sources, but mostly federal. Oregon was awarded barely $100 million in research grants from federal sources. That is directly corelated to research actions, activities and productivity. Period. OSU is a significantly larger and more successful research institution. Period. indisputable. Oregon State University has been awarded over 4x the amount of competitive research grants than the university of Oregon. University of Oregon has received $1 billion in donations from Phil Knight, in total, split between athletics and academics, from 2005 to 2021 as reported by the Oregonian. This is not a research award. this is a donor grant to support various things. That is NOT research funding, at all and cannot be equated to or considered such. Most of the money Knight has donated has supported capital investments. New buildings, new labs, new equipment and such. University of Oregon is a liberal arts school, not a hard science school. They have a successful law program that is worthy of praise, and exploding marketing and economics programs. but in terms of pure academics, OSU greatly outpaces them. We have more students, more colleges, more degrees, more funding, more designations... we are older, we are bigger and quite frankly we are better. Oregon has a very popular mega donor that buys their notoriety. It goes a long way for them. Last time I looked (admittedly some years ago now) their law school was ranked worst in the state behind Lewis & Clark and Willamette. |
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Post by obf on Sept 20, 2023 9:58:06 GMT -8
Another mark of good research and activity is University Spin-Off companies...
NOT companies started by university alum (So Nike for UO, NVIDIA for OSU). These are companies that get started off of research done by a university professor or student while still at the school. Often times the professor goes with the company or keeps a foot in both. The one that leaps immediately to mind is NuScale Power. Which Dr. Jose Reyes started from the Nuclear Engineering dept. at OSU. I believe he is still a professor there as well as being the CTO at NuScale.
Does anyone know where to find a list of University spin-offs for each school?
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 20, 2023 10:00:06 GMT -8
Almost $480 million this year, not $450m. And the new president said she expects this to be doubled in the future. And yes, Knights' donations are not "research" contributions, any more than the $50 million we just received for the new superconductor building are "research" funds. Exactly. Props to Oregon for having an active significant donor base. Not just Knight, but Kilkenny has donated in close to $100M himself. But to me sure, much of their general status is bought. They have a propped up endowment from trusts funded by Knight. Where OSU's endowment leans far more into the value of its intellectual property and not strict investment value. If Jensen Huang suddenly wants to get real crazy with OSU (more so than his $50 million) then OSU would see an explosion in endowment and general notoriety as quickly and Oregon has seen in the last several years. Huang would have to get REAL crazy. Phil is Nike, 90%+ of the population knows Nike/Phil, hence Oregon. Maybe 5% of those everyday folk wearing Nikes know Huang. If that. I can't think of any one donor with OSU connections that could match the $ and world wide notoriety of Phil/Nike. Between Oregon/Stanford Phil has personally donated more $ than OSU has raised over, what? Three+ decades. OSU's life blood are those grants on top of any fundraising. Oregon is set for the next 100 yrs. Rumor is that Phil has set up a massive endowment in his trust. The interest will be more than the current B10 TV contract. OSU will never be in that world. Just never understood OSU fans wanting to compare, keep up, or disparage Oregon for Nike $?! What, OSU wouldn't want to switch positions in Nike support heirarchy? We'd suddenly be ashamed of ourselves for all the publicity, notoriety, and bling? Yeah... don't think so. We'll never be a big money AD, and OSU will be just fine wherever we end up. |
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Post by jrbeavo on Sept 20, 2023 10:17:10 GMT -8
Exactly. Props to Oregon for having an active significant donor base. Not just Knight, but Kilkenny has donated in close to $100M himself. But to me sure, much of their general status is bought. They have a propped up endowment from trusts funded by Knight. Where OSU's endowment leans far more into the value of its intellectual property and not strict investment value. If Jensen Huang suddenly wants to get real crazy with OSU (more so than his $50 million) then OSU would see an explosion in endowment and general notoriety as quickly and Oregon has seen in the last several years. Huang would have to get REAL crazy. Phil is Nike, 90%+ of the population knows Nike/Phil, hence Oregon. Maybe 5% of those everyday folk wearing Nikes know Huang. If that.
I can't think of any one donor with OSU connections that could match the $ and world wide notoriety of Phil/Nike.Between Oregon/Stanford Phil has personally donated more $ than OSU has raised over, what? Three+ decades. OSU's life blood are those grants on top of any fundraising. Oregon is set for the next 100 yrs. Rumor is that Phil has set up a massive endowment in his trust. The interest will be more than the current B10 TV contract. OSU will never be in that world. Just never understood OSU fans wanting to compare, keep up, or disparage Oregon for Nike $?! What, OSU wouldn't want to switch positions in Nike support heirarchy? We'd suddenly be ashamed of ourselves for all the publicity, notoriety, and bling? Yeah... don't think so. We'll never be a big money AD, and OSU will be just fine wherever we end up. Maybe not the notoriety, but he Huang could certainly match the $ if he was so inclined. That is not a priority for him as it is for Knight, so it won't happen. But...he is capable
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Post by fishwrapper on Sept 20, 2023 10:19:45 GMT -8
Almost $480 million this year, not $450m. And the new president said she expects this to be doubled in the future. And yes, Knights' donations are not "research" contributions, any more than the $50 million we just received for the new superconductor building are "research" funds. I'm talking spin, not reality. If you read around, you will hear a school upstream of ours refer to a billion dollars in donations as the foundation of their new research. And it's not just sneaker money - there's big Ballmer money, too. It's spin, used to make their "research" portfolio look bigger than it really is. Just as is it spin to conflate research spending with academic outcomes. They are are not always related - not that they are unrelated, just not always directly related The good news is that we don't do any spin... right?Yes, we have more research spending. And we have better academic outcomes - in many academic areas where there is a 1:1 comparison with that other school. We have much better engineering outcomes at OSU...because that other school doesn't have an engineering program. Just as they have better Marketing and Communications outcomes for their students. Heck, they have better academic outcomes in Law than OSU - because we don't teach law. (As has been mentioned, compare their law school to others, and they lose a bit of their sheen...) If you are on campus, and interact with the research office and senior admins, you will realize that the 480M number is its own dirtily spun secret. Back when he was the head of the research office, Rick Spinrad (now the NOAA administrator - we've has more of those from our campus, too!) was proud to announce the success OSU had in landing the contract to build (well, to be in charge of the building) three new research vessels. At that time, he specifically stated that the contract for the vessels was going to inflate our "research dollars" talking point - as the money for this project shows up in the research bottom line. While these vessels will be used for research, they are an artificial bump in our grants/expenditures talking point. When Murthy arrived on campus, one of her first messages was that OSU need to double its research expenditures - and immediately a number of folks who re affected by that mandate wondered: what number is she using? To read it straight, based on OSU talking points, that mean we're looking to grow to >900B. Which, arguably, we could and/or should - but if that's based on research contract, it means far more than doubling our research expenditures - or getting a few more contrats from NOAA/NSF to manage boat building. Why bring this up? Building the RVs is a lot of money in that 480M number we like to tout - and if has zero direct correlation to academic outcomes, which was the point I was making in the first place (poorly, it appears). I am not defending the other school - only worried about seeing this through overly orange-colored glasses. Even - especially - through clear glasses, we beat 'em where it matters (where it should matter, what with being a university and all...) |
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Post by obf on Sept 20, 2023 10:20:49 GMT -8
Huang would have to get REAL crazy. Phil is Nike, 90%+ of the population knows Nike/Phil, hence Oregon. Maybe 5% of those everyday folk wearing Nikes know Huang. If that.
I can't think of any one donor with OSU connections that could match the $ and world wide notoriety of Phil/Nike.Between Oregon/Stanford Phil has personally donated more $ than OSU has raised over, what? Three+ decades. OSU's life blood are those grants on top of any fundraising. Oregon is set for the next 100 yrs. Rumor is that Phil has set up a massive endowment in his trust. The interest will be more than the current B10 TV contract. OSU will never be in that world. Just never understood OSU fans wanting to compare, keep up, or disparage Oregon for Nike $?! What, OSU wouldn't want to switch positions in Nike support heirarchy? We'd suddenly be ashamed of ourselves for all the publicity, notoriety, and bling? Yeah... don't think so. We'll never be a big money AD, and OSU will be just fine wherever we end up. Maybe not the notoriety, but he Huang could certainly match the $ if he was so inclined. That is not a priority for him as it is for Knight, so it won't happen. But...he is capable If the internet is to be believed, Huang has a higher net worth than Knight by several billion, and is still actively working and making money. But, I doubt Huang will ever be inclined as Knight has been. Not that I begrudge him in the least. What we REALLY need is for one of us to suddenly become a multi billionaire, ASAP  Quick, does anyone have any killer ideas?? |
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Post by jrbeavo on Sept 20, 2023 10:27:07 GMT -8
Maybe not the notoriety, but he Huang could certainly match the $ if he was so inclined. That is not a priority for him as it is for Knight, so it won't happen. But...he is capable If the internet is to be believed, Huang has a higher net worth than Knight by several billion, and is still actively working and making money. But, I doubt Huang will ever be inclined as Knight has been. Not that I begrudge him in the least. What we REALLY need is for one of us to suddenly become a multi billionaire, ASAP Quick, does anyone have any killer ideas?? that isn't the internet, that is a fact. And he has been selling off shares in the past few weeks, which could mean a million different things.
As Steve Martin famously stated "all you have to do to become a millionaire is to first get a million dollars". We just need three or four of us to win separate Powerballs, it's not complicated.
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Post by Werebeaver on Sept 20, 2023 10:39:51 GMT -8
The point is that you can spin revenue that isn't directed to specific research projects (see the place upstream from here) as "research funding" - let alone connect "research funding" to academic outcomes (see the place upstream from here). What? |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 20, 2023 11:23:24 GMT -8
Huang would have to get REAL crazy. Phil is Nike, 90%+ of the population knows Nike/Phil, hence Oregon. Maybe 5% of those everyday folk wearing Nikes know Huang. If that.
I can't think of any one donor with OSU connections that could match the $ and world wide notoriety of Phil/Nike.Between Oregon/Stanford Phil has personally donated more $ than OSU has raised over, what? Three+ decades. OSU's life blood are those grants on top of any fundraising. Oregon is set for the next 100 yrs. Rumor is that Phil has set up a massive endowment in his trust. The interest will be more than the current B10 TV contract. OSU will never be in that world. Just never understood OSU fans wanting to compare, keep up, or disparage Oregon for Nike $?! What, OSU wouldn't want to switch positions in Nike support heirarchy? We'd suddenly be ashamed of ourselves for all the publicity, notoriety, and bling? Yeah... don't think so. We'll never be a big money AD, and OSU will be just fine wherever we end up. Maybe not the notoriety, but he Huang could certainly match the $ if he was so inclined. That is not a priority for him as it is for Knight, so it won't happen. But...he is capable
If Huang wanted world-wide notoriety he could simply add a Nvidia controlled kill switch in every piece of equipment they put out and turn it on for 10 minutes at 11am on a random Monday some day. |
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Post by jrbeavo on Sept 20, 2023 11:29:44 GMT -8
Maybe not the notoriety, but he Huang could certainly match the $ if he was so inclined. That is not a priority for him as it is for Knight, so it won't happen. But...he is capable
If Huang wanted world-wide notoriety he could simply add a Nvidia controlled kill switch in every piece of equipment they put out and turn it on for 10 minutes at 11am on a random Monday some day. I would love to have an in depth conversation about Nvidia but I am far too stupid for that |
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Post by sparty on Sept 20, 2023 12:00:06 GMT -8
Almost $480 million this year, not $450m. And the new president said she expects this to be doubled in the future. And yes, Knights' donations are not "research" contributions, any more than the $50 million we just received for the new superconductor building are "research" funds. Exactly. Props to Oregon for having an active significant donor base. Not just Knight, but Kilkenny has donated in close to $100M himself. But to me sure, much of their general status is bought. They have a propped up endowment from trusts funded by Knight. Where OSU's endowment leans far more into the value of its intellectual property and not strict investment value. If Jensen Huang suddenly wants to get real crazy with OSU (more so than his $50 million) then OSU would see an explosion in endowment and general notoriety as quickly and Oregon has seen in the last several years. And Knight bought influence at OHSU too if you forgot about his 500 million donation to their cancer institute and another 125 million to the OHSU cardovascular institute. So your right in him just buying status is his only reason for doing it. And Knight is sort of propping up OHSU too. Just think he could donate to OSU too if he was fair about it. After all why did he donate 125 million to a business school at Stanford. Stanford is way overated as anything special in the business world. And another 400 million to Stanford establish a graduate-level scholarship aimed at preparing a new generation of global leaders.
Stanford and Cal are not better on paper than OSU yet they both in a sense bought there way into the ACC. But Stanford and Cal grads will tell you differently on how much better a CAL or Stanford degree is. Baloney!
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 20, 2023 12:19:54 GMT -8
Exactly. Props to Oregon for having an active significant donor base. Not just Knight, but Kilkenny has donated in close to $100M himself. But to me sure, much of their general status is bought. They have a propped up endowment from trusts funded by Knight. Where OSU's endowment leans far more into the value of its intellectual property and not strict investment value. If Jensen Huang suddenly wants to get real crazy with OSU (more so than his $50 million) then OSU would see an explosion in endowment and general notoriety as quickly and Oregon has seen in the last several years. And Knight bought influence at OHSU too if you forgot about his 500 million donation to their cancer institute and another 125 million to the OHSU cardovascular institute. So your right in him just buying status is his only reason for doing it. And Knight is sort of propping up OHSU too. Just think he could donate to OSU too if he was fair about it. After all why did he donate 125 million to a business school at Stanford. Stanford is way overated as anything special in the business world. And another 400 million to Stanford establish a graduate-level scholarship aimed at preparing a new generation of global leaders.
Stanford and Cal are not better on paper than OSU yet they both in a sense bought there way into the ACC. But Stanford and Cal grads will tell you differently on how much better a CAL or Stanford degree is. Baloney!
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