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Post by castorcanadensis on Sept 18, 2023 14:15:43 GMT -8
Everything comes down to ESPN and Fox. Speaking of wishes, my wish is for a B10 invite. It's a better conference and it mostly solves the regional questions. There would be four PNW schools and two more from southern California. As a wild guess, Utah and the Arizonas along with the bay area schools would be close behind. Is it worth $35M or so per school for ESPN and Fox to add WSU and OSU? Maybe . . . . Winning helps our chances Oregon State and Wazzu are not AAU Member Universities. The two worst academic universities in the current Pac-12. Very close to, if not a, 0% chance that Oregon State or Wazzu get an invite to the Big Ten. AAU is a good ol boys club and isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. Oregon should be dropped as they are not even close to good academics. Oregon got aau in 1969 due to what is now called OHSU. They don’t deserve it now and are in danger of being dropped. But who cares. I doubt an engineering degree at an aau school is better than a degree at OSU. But that’s my opinion. |
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 18, 2023 14:50:25 GMT -8
I've seen a few tweets about this in the last week. Here's the thing, there's typically a few levels to "rumors": Level 0 - some no-name (OS_Beaver, etc.) tweets out their fantasy requests with no backing to it. Level 1 - someone who may be right every so often talks about something but doesn't even talk about "their sources" Level 2 - someone who is consistently right talks about it and talks about "their sources". Usually generalizes their sources, e.g. "Big12 leadership", "ESPN leadership" Level 3 - a named source by person From what I could see, no one seems to have a valid source on this and it's probably multiple people just using the same tweet as a "source". Even this guy merely asked "his sources" if it were plausible. The only way OSU gets a Big12 invite is if either ESPN/Fox fear something very damaging in this ongoing legal action or if they somehow got wind of a spectacular Apple deal OSU has lined up and they really want to continue to shut the door on Apple. Outside of that, ain't happening. Even if it did happen, I'm still not sure it's the best option. Maybe...depends upon how much money we wind up with from the legal action. If there was anything that damning that all the sudden OSU/WSU get a B12 invite... it would literally mean the networks are running the B12. Yormark said they are done for now. The networks would not only have to pony up big $$ for OSU/WSU to give up the legal fight for maybe hundreds of millions each, but more money for each of the B12 members to change their minds. And, if that was the case, that would mean hanging in for the lawsuit could result in a very big payout on top of the Pac12 revenue. Why take a membership in a fading conference. Discovery is not going to be a worry for the networks. They provided a simple biz proposition. No matter their motives there is no monopoly, no antitrust, no forcing of the conferences to take other schools or their contract proposals. IF there is dirty laundry... IF... it is with conferences and universities. And, that would be a long and losing battle in terms of money invested in legal fees for what schools MIGHT ever be required to payout... AND take a decade to settle. It is crazy to me how these pod casts of nobodies full of unsubstantiated rumor/BS get so much attention. I guess, like on here, if someone throws enough against the wall eventually some will stick and they can pat themselves on being "right". Never mind it was all made up guessing and 99% was wrong. |
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Post by grayman on Sept 18, 2023 15:13:04 GMT -8
All of a sudden after the court win last week, new "rumors" starting to trickle out regarding a WSU & OSU B12 invite. If the rumors start to gain more steam,,the timing suggests those those arguing the people behind the destruction of the P12 want to avoid giving OSU/WSU discovery power and will find a way (the money) to make it go away.. Well, shoot. Now you've gone and done it. I had semi-succedsfully convinced myself that I did NOT want the Beavers to end up in the Big-12. This despite the fact that it would solve the P5 issue, give baseball a decent RPI, and limit travel somewhat due to there being 6 total ex-Pac-12 teams and BYUin the conference. I decided that what I wanted was a miracle rebuild of a P5 West Coast conference and surviving the insanity of realignment "the right way". In fact, I only clicked on the video so I could get ammunition to shoot the whole idea of going to the Big-12 down. This seemed assured when the guy first started talking and I found him annoying. But, dang, if he didn't win me over. By the time he finished the OSU/WSU topic 9 minutes in, not only did I think he had a good point, I was actually enjoying listening to him. He has no real reason to think it might happen and I think any of this talk has zero to do with anybody wanting to squelch the discovery phase, but when positive talk starts to come out of Big-12 country about OSU and WSU, that may have a way of gaining momentum. Do I want it to happen? Yes, but only if Barnes and Murthy can square it with their stated desire for a "regional" solution. I can convince myself that OSU/WSU/BYU/UTAH/COLORADO/UA/ASU is regional, but not sure if they (and all the various coaches) agree.It will all be academic if an invite doesn't come. As the podcaster said, it will come down to ESPN and Fox. Maybe we DO want those networks hypocritically hyping OSU and WSU. Let's hope for an exciting, very well viewed game this weekend. Tell all your friends to watch it. Well, OSU and WSU still play in a conference with all of these schools except BYU and if Utah is no problem as far as region, then I doubt they would have a problem with BYU. |
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Post by cake on Sept 18, 2023 18:39:55 GMT -8
There is an old saying about lawyers - you never ask a question that you don’t already know the answer to. Unless the networks and the conferences know what’s on everyone’s computer that is not a road they want to go down. From a risk management standpoint making this whole situation go away is the only play. I don't know if this is apocryphal or not but I read a thing about a guy who wasn't Mike Tyson who was accused of biting another guy's ear off. The defense lawyer asked the star witness, did you see my client bit this guy's ear off? Witness said no. So how do you know my client bit his ear off? I saw him spit out out. |
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Post by Dave86 on Sept 18, 2023 20:30:40 GMT -8
I have no idea who or what "The Swaim Show" is. I saw this a day or two ago at one of the Mountain West message boards I like to snoop and thought nothing of it at the time. Do what you want with it.
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Post by fishwrapper on Sept 18, 2023 21:09:54 GMT -8
There is an old saying about lawyers - you never ask a question that you don’t already know the answer to. Unless the networks and the conferences know what’s on everyone’s computer that is not a road they want to go down. From a risk management standpoint making this whole situation go away is the only play. I don't know if this is apocryphal or not but I read a thing about a guy who wasn't Mike Tyson who was accused of biting another guy's ear off. The defense lawyer asked the star witness, did you see my client bit this guy's ear off? Witness said no. So how do you know my client bit his ear off? I saw him spit out out. Reminds me of an oldie but goodie about an over-eager lawyer crossing a small-town doctor who also serves as the local coroner: Q: "Doctor, before you performed the autopsy, did you check for a pulse?" A: "No." Q: "Did you check for blood pressure?" A: "No." Q: "Did you check for breathing?" A: "No." Q: "So, then it is possible that the patient was alive when you began the autopsy?" A: "No." Q: "How can you be so sure, Doctor?" A: "Because his brain was sitting on my desk in a jar." Q: "But could the patient have still been alive nevertheless?" A: "It is possible that he could have been alive and practicing law somewhere." (Who cares if it's apocryphal - it's funny!) |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 18, 2023 22:00:30 GMT -8
I have no idea who or what "The Swaim Show" is. I saw this a day or two ago at one of the Mountain West message boards I like to snoop and thought nothing of it at the time. Do what you want with it. Greg Swaim is an Oklahoma State guy. He is supposed to be plugged into that university. I tend to think that Kansas and Oklahoma State are the nucleus of the still-beating heart that is the Big 12 Conference. If he says it, maybe T. Boone has a soft spot in his heart for Oregon State? |
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 18, 2023 22:02:07 GMT -8
Yeah...
From his grave?! FFS😞
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 18, 2023 22:57:24 GMT -8
Yeah... From his grave?! FFS😞 T. Boone III, not T. Boone, Jr. FFS  |
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Post by beavs6 on Sept 19, 2023 4:20:48 GMT -8
Yeah... From his grave?! FFS😞 T. Boone III, not T. Boone, Jr. FFS  |
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 19, 2023 5:57:18 GMT -8
Yeah... From his grave?! FFS😞 His heart is probably pretty soft by now. |
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Post by irimi on Sept 19, 2023 6:29:04 GMT -8
Everything comes down to ESPN and Fox. Speaking of wishes, my wish is for a B10 invite. It's a better conference and it mostly solves the regional questions. There would be four PNW schools and two more from southern California. As a wild guess, Utah and the Arizonas along with the bay area schools would be close behind. Is it worth $35M or so per school for ESPN and Fox to add WSU and OSU? Maybe . . . . Winning helps our chances Oregon State and Wazzu are not AAU Member Universities. The two worst academic universities in the current Pac-12. Very close to, if not a, 0% chance that Oregon State or Wazzu get an invite to the Big Ten. Weird. I don’t see OSU’s academics as being behind some Big Ten schools, Oregon for example. |
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Post by korculabeav on Sept 19, 2023 6:33:37 GMT -8
Oregon State and Wazzu are not AAU Member Universities. The two worst academic universities in the current Pac-12. Very close to, if not a, 0% chance that Oregon State or Wazzu get an invite to the Big Ten. Weird. I don’t see OSU’s academics as being behind some Big Ten schools, Oregon for example. We do NOT want to be in the B1G. Largely for 1) the travel reasons many on here criticized UW and hole for taking on and 2) the B1G west has garbage programs outside of the four new schools and Wisconsin. |
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Post by irimi on Sept 19, 2023 6:40:48 GMT -8
Weird. I don’t see OSU’s academics as being behind some Big Ten schools, Oregon for example. We do NOT want to be in the B1G. Largely for 1) the travel reasons many on here criticized UW and hole for taking on and 2) the B1G west has garbage programs outside of the four new schools and Wisconsin. I agree. If the Big took most of the Pac and kept us in a Western Division, then I think it would have worked. But I don’t think OSU’s degrees are less valuable than Illinois’ or Mich State. I’m sure these schools have their strengths just like us. |
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Post by korculabeav on Sept 19, 2023 7:18:48 GMT -8
We do NOT want to be in the B1G. Largely for 1) the travel reasons many on here criticized UW and hole for taking on and 2) the B1G west has garbage programs outside of the four new schools and Wisconsin. I agree. If the Big took most of the Pac and kept us in a Western Division, then I think it would have worked. But I don’t think OSU’s degrees are less valuable than Illinois’ or Mich State. I’m sure these schools have their strengths just like us. sorry, I was not clear. My opinion of most of the B1G west programs was through a football lens. Academically, those are fine schools. |
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