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Post by grayman on Sept 4, 2023 21:34:03 GMT -8
So Barnes' talk about rebuilding the Pac-12 happened before the announcement of Stanford and Cal to the ACC.
I wonder if that plan is now completely out the window or if he's still holding out hope that some of the Pac-12 schools will reconsider and decide to stick around.
I don't think his rebuilding the Pac-12 plan ever was about OSU and WSU joining with the MWC in a reverse merger or whatever.
I don't think he considers that as anything but the extreme last resort.
So what I think he's doing is figuring out what kind of money/rights/additional assets could be coming OSU's way and how it can be used to enhance OSU's position.
I wonder if it does seem like waiting for an extra year after the end of the Pac-12 is the best way to go, maybe there could be some ways to create a viable schedule using a portion of the assets. Maybe give some money to some MWC teams and/or former Pac-12 teams to fill in the additional eight needed for 12, although I don't believe there's a minimum.
I'm not in favor of OSU not having an official conference membership by then but would be fine with it if necessary to get the best position possible.
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Post by bvrbooster on Sept 4, 2023 22:26:32 GMT -8
I think Barnes is a pretty sharp guy, and he's got a good feel for what can or cannot happen. Former PAC 12 teams coming back to the fold falls under the 'cannot happen' category. Not finding a conference home very, very quickly falls under the 'damn well better not happen' category. Look at other boards here. You see any threads about major recruits committing in the last few weeks?
I've said this before and I'll keep saying it - recruits are not going to announce for OSU until this is resolved. And, with each passing day from now going forward, more of them are going to start leaning elsewhere. Barnes knows this, knows that the clock is ticking.
I reiterate that I am absolutely sure that Barnes has been negotiating under the assumption that Cal and Stanford would bail for at least 2 weeks prior to that actually happening. At this point, I'd speculate that the only thing holding up some sort of merger with the MWC is hammering out the framework of a deal with Apple, and I anticipate an announcement this week.
Give up on the pipe dream of the Big 12 or any of the traitorous ten having a change of heart. Neither is going to happen - not tomorrow, not next week, not before the opening ceremony of the 2024 Olympics.
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 4, 2023 22:34:21 GMT -8
I think Barnes is a pretty sharp guy, and he's got a good feel for what can or cannot happen. Former PAC 12 teams coming back to the fold falls under the 'cannot happen' category. Not finding a conference home very, very quickly falls under the 'damn well better not happen' category. Look at other boards here. You see any threads about major recruits committing in the last few weeks? I've said this before and I'll keep saying it - recruits are not going to announce for OSU until this is resolved. And, with each passing day from now going forward, more of them are going to start leaning elsewhere. Barnes knows this, knows that the clock is ticking. I reiterate that I am absolutely sure that Barnes has been negotiating under the assumption that Cal and Stanford would bail for at least 2 weeks prior to that actually happening. At this point, I'd speculate that the only thing holding up some sort of merger with the MWC is hammering out the framework of a deal with Apple, and I anticipate an announcement this week. Give up on the pipe dream of the Big 12 or any of the traitorous ten having a change of heart. Neither is going to happen - not tomorrow, not next week, not before the opening ceremony of the 2024 Olympics. Do you read the recruiting board? |
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Post by Dave86 on Sept 5, 2023 0:55:51 GMT -8
I believe this press conference took place the day Stanford and Cal announced they accepted invitations to the ACC. I believe Oregon State (Murthy & Barnes) reaffirmed their intention to rebuild the PAC-12. (It's late as I post this and don't want to watch the video at this moment.) www.kptv.com/2023/09/01/oregon-state-university-talk-conference-shakeup/I greatly appreciate the leadership from Murthy & Barnes on the entire conference re-alignment thing. It was great when President Murthy came right out and said "We're rebuilding the conference". I agree with the other Beaver poster who stated that Barnes is a pretty capable guy. I credit Barnes for: 1 - Getting Gary Andersen to leave without buying out the remainder of his contract 2 - Hiring Jonathan Smith and turning Beaver football around 3 - Rebuilt the west grandstand at Reser Seems like Mitch Canham was a pretty good hire to replace Pat Casey, too. |
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Post by idaho on Sept 5, 2023 5:43:14 GMT -8
I believe this press conference took place the day Stanford and Cal announced they accepted invitations to the ACC. I believe Oregon State (Murthy & Barnes) reaffirmed their intention to rebuild the PAC-12. (It's late as I post this and don't want to watch the video at this moment.) www.kptv.com/2023/09/01/oregon-state-university-talk-conference-shakeup/I greatly appreciate the leadership from Murthy & Barnes on the entire conference re-alignment thing. It was great when President Murthy came right out and said "We're rebuilding the conference". I agree with the other Beaver poster who stated that Barnes is a pretty capable guy. I credit Barnes for: 1 - Getting Gary Andersen to leave without buying out the remainder of his contract 2 - Hiring Jonathan Smith and turning Beaver football around 3 - Rebuilt the west grandstand at Reser Seems like Mitch Canham was a pretty good hire to replace Pat Casey, too. Add the wrestling program (hires) and gymnastics to that list. |
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Post by Dave86 on Sept 5, 2023 7:22:33 GMT -8
I believe this press conference took place the day Stanford and Cal announced they accepted invitations to the ACC. I believe Oregon State (Murthy & Barnes) reaffirmed their intention to rebuild the PAC-12. (It's late as I post this and don't want to watch the video at this moment.) www.kptv.com/2023/09/01/oregon-state-university-talk-conference-shakeup/I greatly appreciate the leadership from Murthy & Barnes on the entire conference re-alignment thing. It was great when President Murthy came right out and said "We're rebuilding the conference". I agree with the other Beaver poster who stated that Barnes is a pretty capable guy. I credit Barnes for: 1 - Getting Gary Andersen to leave without buying out the remainder of his contract 2 - Hiring Jonathan Smith and turning Beaver football around 3 - Rebuilt the west grandstand at Reser Seems like Mitch Canham was a pretty good hire to replace Pat Casey, too. Add the wrestling program (hires) and gymnastics to that list. Absolutely! Thanks for mentioning them. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Sept 5, 2023 7:43:29 GMT -8
Add the wrestling program (hires) and gymnastics to that list. Absolutely! Thanks for mentioning them. Looking like volleyball might be another good one (admittedly small sample set). |
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Post by grayman on Sept 5, 2023 9:36:21 GMT -8
I believe this press conference took place the day Stanford and Cal announced they accepted invitations to the ACC. I believe Oregon State (Murthy & Barnes) reaffirmed their intention to rebuild the PAC-12. (It's late as I post this and don't want to watch the video at this moment.) www.kptv.com/2023/09/01/oregon-state-university-talk-conference-shakeup/I greatly appreciate the leadership from Murthy & Barnes on the entire conference re-alignment thing. It was great when President Murthy came right out and said "We're rebuilding the conference". I agree with the other Beaver poster who stated that Barnes is a pretty capable guy. I credit Barnes for: 1 - Getting Gary Andersen to leave without buying out the remainder of his contract 2 - Hiring Jonathan Smith and turning Beaver football around 3 - Rebuilt the west grandstand at Reser Seems like Mitch Canham was a pretty good hire to replace Pat Casey, too. There were stories quoting Barnes on the Pac-12 rebuild that included Stanford and Cal. Whether or not he was operating under the belief that those schools would be leaving, who knows? He probably had a course of action planned for both scenarios. Agree on Barnes' leadership. But nobody on this thread is doubting it. And my OP was not critical of his ability at all. That's a big reason why I don't believe the reverse merger with the MWC has been at the top of his list. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Sept 5, 2023 10:16:58 GMT -8
Throw into the mix that Barnes is a former MWC AD at Utah St. He has insider knowledge of that conference’s institutional dynamics, strengths/weaknesses etc.
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Post by sewingbeaver on Sept 5, 2023 10:48:48 GMT -8
12 noon Tuesday Sep 5 Live discussion Community Interest Town Hall
Murthy, Barnes and ASOSU Pres. O'Donnell
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Post by qbeaver on Sept 5, 2023 10:54:46 GMT -8
I think Barnes is a pretty sharp guy, and he's got a good feel for what can or cannot happen. Former PAC 12 teams coming back to the fold falls under the 'cannot happen' category. Not finding a conference home very, very quickly falls under the 'damn well better not happen' category. Look at other boards here. You see any threads about major recruits committing in the last few weeks? I've said this before and I'll keep saying it - recruits are not going to announce for OSU until this is resolved. And, with each passing day from now going forward, more of them are going to start leaning elsewhere. Barnes knows this, knows that the clock is ticking. I reiterate that I am absolutely sure that Barnes has been negotiating under the assumption that Cal and Stanford would bail for at least 2 weeks prior to that actually happening. At this point, I'd speculate that the only thing holding up some sort of merger with the MWC is hammering out the framework of a deal with Apple, and I anticipate an announcement this week. Give up on the pipe dream of the Big 12 or any of the traitorous ten having a change of heart. Neither is going to happen - not tomorrow, not next week, not before the opening ceremony of the 2024 Olympics. Threads about major recruits committing to osu? The only one who had a date to commit in the last couple weeks was Terrell Kim from Medford who became a beaver. Most of the kids who officially visited to osu in June have decided or are waiting till a later date. The implosion of the conference had no impact on the recruits who are considering osu. If osu can’t have some answers before the December signing date,it assuredly will tho. |
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 5, 2023 11:41:55 GMT -8
I think Barnes is a pretty sharp guy, and he's got a good feel for what can or cannot happen. Former PAC 12 teams coming back to the fold falls under the 'cannot happen' category. Not finding a conference home very, very quickly falls under the 'damn well better not happen' category. Look at other boards here. You see any threads about major recruits committing in the last few weeks? I've said this before and I'll keep saying it - recruits are not going to announce for OSU until this is resolved. And, with each passing day from now going forward, more of them are going to start leaning elsewhere. Barnes knows this, knows that the clock is ticking. I reiterate that I am absolutely sure that Barnes has been negotiating under the assumption that Cal and Stanford would bail for at least 2 weeks prior to that actually happening. At this point, I'd speculate that the only thing holding up some sort of merger with the MWC is hammering out the framework of a deal with Apple, and I anticipate an announcement this week. Give up on the pipe dream of the Big 12 or any of the traitorous ten having a change of heart. Neither is going to happen - not tomorrow, not next week, not before the opening ceremony of the 2024 Olympics. Threads about major recruits committing to osu? The only one who had a date to commit in the last couple weeks was Terrell Kim from Medford who became a beaver. Most of the kids who officially visited to osu in June have decided or are waiting till a later date. The implosion of the conference had no impact on the recruits who are considering osu. If osu can’t have some answers before the December signing date,it assuredly will tho. Durant (?) was after that... and this is always the quiet time. OSU staff will be doing a ton of evaluating during the two weeks around the BYE. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Sept 5, 2023 11:44:41 GMT -8
'waiting till a later date' - that's what I'm saying.
The only recruiting board I have historically followed closely is women's basketball. I follow it on Bernice's Place and, nationally, I pay attention to ESPN's Hoopgurlz top 100. As of this morning, 52 of the top 100 have announced commitments for 2024. None have chosen OSU, nor am I aware of any for whom we are serious contenders at this point. This is certainly not the norm for our program.
I would love to be proven wrong on this, so have at me. Name names of very top recruits who have announced for Oregon State in the last 4 weeks.
I'm not saying they definitely won't commit here. I'm saying that, with each passing day of uncertainty, the greater the likelihood that they'll start giving stronger consideration to other schools.
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Post by beavheart on Sept 5, 2023 12:18:53 GMT -8
Rebuilding the Pac12 seems to be the direction we are headed considering this interview linked by SewingBeav.
What is the BEST we can do?
West - OSU, WSU, SDSU, BSU, UNLV, Fresno
East - Colorado St, New Mexico, UTSA, N Texas, Tulane, Memphis
Gawd, that is terrible, and there's a ton of road blocks for that conference to materialize. If we are forced to shoe horn the entire MWC into the Pac12 just because of logistics it's hard to see a good path forward for OSU. In that case, waiting 2 years, as risky as it is, is better than that alternative just so we can say "we did something".
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 5, 2023 12:36:54 GMT -8
Rebuilding the Pac12 seems to be the direction we are headed considering this interview linked by SewingBeav. What is the BEST we can do? West - OSU, WSU, SDSU, BSU, UNLV, Fresno East - Colorado St, New Mexico, UTSA, N Texas, Tulane, Memphis Gawd, that is terrible, and there's a ton of road blocks for that conference to materialize. If we are forced to shoe horn the entire MWC into the Pac12 just because of logistics it's hard to see a good path forward for OSU. In that case, waiting 2 years, as risky as it is, is better than that alternative just so we can say "we did something". Not sure where your rebuild/teams are coming from? There is no way to currently include UTSA, N Texas, Tulane, Memphis. The PacMtn: North: WSU, OSU Wyoming, Colo St, Air Force, Utah St, Boise St South: Nevada, UNLV, Hawaii (football only), SD St, SJ St, Fresno St, NMex |
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