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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 8, 2023 16:24:10 GMT -8
I still think the best option, barring a Big-12 invite that does not appear to be coming, is the rebuilding of the Pac-12. By rebuilding the Pac-12, you can be a little more selective of the teams you choose and build a better league than a straight MWC merger. You'd hopefully be able to convince the MWC to dissolve and then invite the 9 teams you want (I think you drop Hawaii, New Mexico and the 3rd is up for grabs... I picked USU down below). That would make 11. Then I think you pick off the top 5 of the AAC you want. Theoretically you could have something like this: WEST Oregon State Washington State Boise State Fresno State San Jose State San Diego State Nevada UNLV EAST
Wyoming
Colorado State
Air Force
UTSA
North Texas
Rice
Tulane
TulsaThat's a decent conference with a reasonable geographic footprint. Now, it sucks compared to the current Pac-12 and isn't a "P5 level conference" but it is clearly straddling the line between P5 and G5 and would be the 5th best conference without argument. Hell, in a good season with the Big-12 looking the way it does, there might be some argument for it as the 4th best (or if the ACC loses its marquee teams). Anyways, I still think it's kind of a pipedream. The logistics of getting this done with a TV partner in place (you are going to have to convince all these teams to jump, so the money has to make sense) are immense. Hopefully this is what Oliver Luck is working on? All told though, seems like a metric f-ton of work for maybe a few million more a year. Most likely is reverse merge with the MWC keeping the Pac-12 branding. If this is essentially how the new Pac pans out, then I would go with something like this: EAST Wyoming Colorado State Air Force
UTSA: Yes, but more about potential. Football has gone 12-2 and 11-3 in last two seasons. Three straight bowls. Team plays in Alamo Dome and has solid attendance (37k for the Houston game last year, mostly around 25k). But I see UTSA as a sleeping giant (which is kind of unusual in Texas because UT and A&M dominate). It's the big school in San Antonio and the fans support local teams. I see that going up with a better conference situation. MEMPHIS: Nine straight bowls (Hawaii Bowl in 2020 was canceled). Went 12-2, 10-3 twice, 9-4 and had three 8-win seasons during this stretch. Strong basketball program. Lone "big" university in Memphis. TULSA: Very good run in football from 2005-2012. Pretty good overall for the last 20 years. Basketball has been above average overall but not very good in the last couple of years. City has estimated population of 416,408, so maybe some room for local growth when it comes to TV numbers. TULANE: Coming off a great 12-2 season and Cotton Bowl win over USC. Football has been poor to mediocre for the past 20 years otherwise. But probably headed to another good season in 2023. And it's in New Orleans. RICE: I was a no on Rice but I've come around enough to change my mind. Won the CUSA title in 2013 (10-4). Went 10-3 in 2008. Mostly poor football results otherwise. Baseball has tailed off some but has been a perennial power for quite some time. Won the national title in 2003 and has six CWS appearances. And it's in Houston. NORTH TEXAS: No. Would rather goto Boca Raton or Tampa, rather than Tulsa. Honestly, I would rather add Utah State first. |
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Post by grayman on Sept 8, 2023 16:46:34 GMT -8
If this is essentially how the new Pac pans out, then I would go with something like this: EAST Wyoming Colorado State Air Force
UTSA: Yes, but more about potential. Football has gone 12-2 and 11-3 in last two seasons. Three straight bowls. Team plays in Alamo Dome and has solid attendance (37k for the Houston game last year, mostly around 25k). But I see UTSA as a sleeping giant (which is kind of unusual in Texas because UT and A&M dominate). It's the big school in San Antonio and the fans support local teams. I see that going up with a better conference situation. MEMPHIS: Nine straight bowls (Hawaii Bowl in 2020 was canceled). Went 12-2, 10-3 twice, 9-4 and had three 8-win seasons during this stretch. Strong basketball program. Lone "big" university in Memphis. TULSA: Very good run in football from 2005-2012. Pretty good overall for the last 20 years. Basketball has been above average overall but not very good in the last couple of years. City has estimated population of 416,408, so maybe some room for local growth when it comes to TV numbers. TULANE: Coming off a great 12-2 season and Cotton Bowl win over USC. Football has been poor to mediocre for the past 20 years otherwise. But probably headed to another good season in 2023. And it's in New Orleans. RICE: I was a no on Rice but I've come around enough to change my mind. Won the CUSA title in 2013 (10-4). Went 10-3 in 2008. Mostly poor football results otherwise. Baseball has tailed off some but has been a perennial power for quite some time. Won the national title in 2003 and has six CWS appearances. And it's in Houston. NORTH TEXAS: No. Would rather goto Boca Raton or Tampa, rather than Tulsa. Honestly, I would rather add Utah State first. I made a couple changes to my post while you were posting...had forgotten to add UAB. And I deleted the MWC teams because I wanted to focus on AAC possibilities.. I left out FAU and USF because they don't bring much of anything from an athletics standpoint. I would also rather go to Boca Raton or Tampa, however. Not a hard no by any means. |
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Sept 8, 2023 17:10:39 GMT -8
As I understand it, the PAC is one of 5 "autonomous" conferences and can't be removed from the CFB Playoff without a unanimous vote. (bet we know where the no vote comes from)
They will have two years to rebuild the conference and that clock doesn't start until summer 2024.
MWC grant of rights and media contract expire in 2026.
Looks like a window to rebuild the Pac with the best of the rest of the west.
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 8, 2023 20:40:56 GMT -8
As I understand it, the PAC is one of 5 "autonomous" conferences and can't be removed from the CFB Playoff without a unanimous vote. (bet we know where the no vote comes from) They will have two years to rebuild the conference and that clock doesn't start until summer 2024. MWC grant of rights and media contract expire in 2026. Looks like a window to rebuild the Pac with the best of the rest of the west. Not true. We will be out of the Power 5, no matter what. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 8, 2023 21:33:16 GMT -8
As I understand it, the PAC is one of 5 "autonomous" conferences and can't be removed from the CFB Playoff without a unanimous vote. (bet we know where the no vote comes from) They will have two years to rebuild the conference and that clock doesn't start until summer 2024. MWC grant of rights and media contract expire in 2026. Looks like a window to rebuild the Pac with the best of the rest of the west. The AAC also has a 27-month rule. So, if you wanted an AAC team, they could give notice in say May of 2024 and be ready to play in a new Pac-12 in August of 2026, along with whatever Mountain West teams that you want. Just need to get to eight teams by August of 2026. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 8, 2023 21:46:29 GMT -8
As I understand it, the PAC is one of 5 "autonomous" conferences and can't be removed from the CFB Playoff without a unanimous vote. (bet we know where the no vote comes from) They will have two years to rebuild the conference and that clock doesn't start until summer 2024. MWC grant of rights and media contract expire in 2026. Looks like a window to rebuild the Pac with the best of the rest of the west. Not true. We will be out of the Power 5, no matter what. The Pac-12 is in the Power Five, absent a vote to remove them. The Power Five will be almost meaningless in 2025, because of the change in the CFP format. But the Power Five still gets paid $80 million per year for the next two years, because that is the length of the old contract. And the payment structure for the old contract cannot be amended at this stage. The $80 million per year factors into the $410 million number, which I believe is really more like somewhere between $435-$460M, when everything is said and done. Of course, with legal fees.............. |
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