thomasg86
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Post by thomasg86 on Sept 5, 2023 15:22:25 GMT -8
I still think the best option, barring a Big-12 invite that does not appear to be coming, is the rebuilding of the Pac-12.
By rebuilding the Pac-12, you can be a little more selective of the teams you choose and build a better league than a straight MWC merger.
You'd hopefully be able to convince the MWC to dissolve and then invite the 9 teams you want (I think you drop Hawaii, New Mexico and the 3rd is up for grabs... I picked USU down below).
That would make 11. Then I think you pick off the top 5 of the AAC you want. Theoretically you could have something like this:
WEST
Oregon State
Washington State
Boise State
Fresno State
San Jose State
San Diego State
Nevada
UNLV
EAST
Wyoming
Colorado State
Air Force
UTSA
North Texas
Rice
Tulane
Tulsa
That's a decent conference with a reasonable geographic footprint. Now, it sucks compared to the current Pac-12 and isn't a "P5 level conference" but it is clearly straddling the line between P5 and G5 and would be the 5th best conference without argument. Hell, in a good season with the Big-12 looking the way it does, there might be some argument for it as the 4th best (or if the ACC loses its marquee teams).
Anyways, I still think it's kind of a pipedream. The logistics of getting this done with a TV partner in place (you are going to have to convince all these teams to jump, so the money has to make sense) are immense. Hopefully this is what Oliver Luck is working on? All told though, seems like a metric f-ton of work for maybe a few million more a year. Most likely is reverse merge with the MWC keeping the Pac-12 branding.
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Post by beavheart on Sept 5, 2023 15:26:54 GMT -8
Honestly, I think that would have been better. There wasn't a shred of hope to pass between 2 brain cells at that time. Almost would have been a merciful death really. Now, we FINALLY have our hopes up... Just to have them dashed by fan boys dressed as a TV execs. Then I don't think you're the "king of silver linings" Not today my friend. Maybe I'll warm up to all of this eventually, but it sure feels like another instance where all the wrong forces will win the day. I will say, in spite of my grey cloud of despair, I'm not taking this laying down. I cancelled my ESPN+ ($10/mo) account yesterday, and I'm signing up for a $10 monthly Dam Collective membership. It's an infinitesimally small act, but it's what I can control and I do feel ever so slightly better because of it. All hands on deck! |
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Post by Dave86 on Sept 7, 2023 19:55:32 GMT -8
12 noon Tuesday Sep 5 Live discussion Community Interest Town Hall Murthy, Barnes and ASOSU Pres. O'Donnell Great stuff, thanks for posting the link. While some may say "we've already heard all of that before", this 'live discussion' does help clarify that information. Thanks again. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 7, 2023 21:28:08 GMT -8
I still think the best option, barring a Big-12 invite that does not appear to be coming, is the rebuilding of the Pac-12. By rebuilding the Pac-12, you can be a little more selective of the teams you choose and build a better league than a straight MWC merger. You'd hopefully be able to convince the MWC to dissolve and then invite the 9 teams you want (I think you drop Hawaii, New Mexico and the 3rd is up for grabs... I picked USU down below). That would make 11. Then I think you pick off the top 5 of the AAC you want. Theoretically you could have something like this: WEST Oregon State Washington State Boise State Fresno State San Jose State San Diego State Nevada UNLV EAST Wyoming Colorado State Air Force UTSA North Texas Rice Tulane Tulsa That's a decent conference with a reasonable geographic footprint. Now, it sucks compared to the current Pac-12 and isn't a "P5 level conference" but it is clearly straddling the line between P5 and G5 and would be the 5th best conference without argument. Hell, in a good season with the Big-12 looking the way it does, there might be some argument for it as the 4th best (or if the ACC loses its marquee teams). Anyways, I still think it's kind of a pipedream. The logistics of getting this done with a TV partner in place (you are going to have to convince all these teams to jump, so the money has to make sense) are immense. Hopefully this is what Oliver Luck is working on? All told though, seems like a metric f-ton of work for maybe a few million more a year. Most likely is reverse merge with the MWC keeping the Pac-12 branding. Why North Texas, Tulsa, and Wyoming? Denton, Tulsa, and Laramie? Yuck! Why not Florida Atlantic, Memphis, and South Florida? That gives Tulane a big-time rival and also makes the Pac-16 even more of a power in basketball. That sounds like the better play. Invite Wichita State for an easy team #14 in baseball to help even out the Divisions. |
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Post by korculabeav on Sept 7, 2023 21:40:22 GMT -8
You want to be in a conference with North Texas?
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Post by korculabeav on Sept 7, 2023 21:41:58 GMT -8
12 noon Tuesday Sep 5 Live discussion Community Interest Town Hall Murthy, Barnes and ASOSU Pres. O'Donnell Great stuff, thanks for posting the link. While some may say "we've already heard all of that before", this 'live discussion' does help clarify that information. Thanks again. LOL. That video is like an episode of “Between Two Ferns.” |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 7, 2023 21:55:58 GMT -8
I'm thinking IF the Pac has to take all of the MWC to get it done, they should pick the 4 biggest and best AAC schools they can get and make an 18 team conference of it.
The Big 10 and Big 12 will have 18 schools next year. The ACC will have 17/18, depending on how you look at ND. The SEC will have 16.
If we get to 18 by absorbing one of the top G5 leagues and poaching the best of another top G5 league, it'll be a stronger and bigger league than what remains of the G5 conferences.
I kind of think there'd be a shot at retaining that Power 5 status, at least for now. If 4 or 5 of these teams do well enough to be top 25/30 this year, that'd be even more of an argument that it might be premature to kick the PAC out of its autonomous status.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 8, 2023 10:28:43 GMT -8
Bigger is not always better, as the 16-team WAC discovered. A huge, unworkable conference is why the Mountain West was formed in the first place.
Not sure why anyone thinks Rice adds anything to one's conference, other than another terrible football program.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 8, 2023 12:15:49 GMT -8
I'm on a low carb kick. Rice isn't necessary.
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thomasg86
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Grad Year: 2009
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Post by thomasg86 on Sept 8, 2023 12:55:12 GMT -8
I still think the best option, barring a Big-12 invite that does not appear to be coming, is the rebuilding of the Pac-12. By rebuilding the Pac-12, you can be a little more selective of the teams you choose and build a better league than a straight MWC merger. You'd hopefully be able to convince the MWC to dissolve and then invite the 9 teams you want (I think you drop Hawaii, New Mexico and the 3rd is up for grabs... I picked USU down below). That would make 11. Then I think you pick off the top 5 of the AAC you want. Theoretically you could have something like this: WEST Oregon State Washington State Boise State Fresno State San Jose State San Diego State Nevada UNLV EAST Wyoming Colorado State Air Force UTSA North Texas Rice Tulane Tulsa That's a decent conference with a reasonable geographic footprint. Now, it sucks compared to the current Pac-12 and isn't a "P5 level conference" but it is clearly straddling the line between P5 and G5 and would be the 5th best conference without argument. Hell, in a good season with the Big-12 looking the way it does, there might be some argument for it as the 4th best (or if the ACC loses its marquee teams). Anyways, I still think it's kind of a pipedream. The logistics of getting this done with a TV partner in place (you are going to have to convince all these teams to jump, so the money has to make sense) are immense. Hopefully this is what Oliver Luck is working on? All told though, seems like a metric f-ton of work for maybe a few million more a year. Most likely is reverse merge with the MWC keeping the Pac-12 branding. Why North Texas, Tulsa, and Wyoming? Denton, Tulsa, and Laramie? Yuck! Why not Florida Atlantic, Memphis, and South Florida? That gives Tulane a big-time rival and also makes the Pac-16 even more of a power in basketball. That sounds like the better play. Invite Wichita State for an easy team #14 in baseball to help even out the Divisions. Was just trying to keep the footprint reasonable by not going too far east. Really, there are no good options. It's a glorified G5 conference. Sigh. |
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Post by grayman on Sept 8, 2023 13:03:37 GMT -8
I'm thinking IF the Pac has to take all of the MWC to get it done, they should pick the 4 biggest and best AAC schools they can get and make an 18 team conference of it. The Big 10 and Big 12 will have 18 schools next year. The ACC will have 17/18, depending on how you look at ND. The SEC will have 16. If we get to 18 by absorbing one of the top G5 leagues and poaching the best of another top G5 league, it'll be a stronger and bigger league than what remains of the G5 conferences. I kind of think there'd be a shot at retaining that Power 5 status, at least for now. If 4 or 5 of these teams do well enough to be top 25/30 this year, that'd be even more of an argument that it might be premature to kick the PAC out of its autonomous status. The Big 12 will have 16 teams. They gain four but lose Texas and Oklahoma. It's one reason why I take Yormark's comments on being done for now with expansion to mean that the Big 12 is still going to add teams at some point. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 8, 2023 14:45:14 GMT -8
I'm thinking IF the Pac has to take all of the MWC to get it done, they should pick the 4 biggest and best AAC schools they can get and make an 18 team conference of it. The Big 10 and Big 12 will have 18 schools next year. The ACC will have 17/18, depending on how you look at ND. The SEC will have 16. If we get to 18 by absorbing one of the top G5 leagues and poaching the best of another top G5 league, it'll be a stronger and bigger league than what remains of the G5 conferences. I kind of think there'd be a shot at retaining that Power 5 status, at least for now. If 4 or 5 of these teams do well enough to be top 25/30 this year, that'd be even more of an argument that it might be premature to kick the PAC out of its autonomous status. The Big 12 will have 16 teams. They gain four but lose Texas and Oklahoma. It's one reason why I take Yormark's comments on being done for now with expansion to mean that the Big 12 is still going to add teams at some point. The Big 12 still wants to either move into the Northeast or Southeast. There may be more expansion out West to balance numbers back East. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 8, 2023 14:47:00 GMT -8
Why North Texas, Tulsa, and Wyoming? Denton, Tulsa, and Laramie? Yuck! Why not Florida Atlantic, Memphis, and South Florida? That gives Tulane a big-time rival and also makes the Pac-16 even more of a power in basketball. That sounds like the better play. Invite Wichita State for an easy team #14 in baseball to help even out the Divisions. Was just trying to keep the footprint reasonable by not going too far east. Really, there are no good options. It's a glorified G5 conference. Sigh. Meh. Have fun playing in Piscataway. We get Boca Raton, Memphis, Tampa, and New Orleans, instead. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 8, 2023 14:50:22 GMT -8
Bigger is not always better, as the 16-team WAC discovered. A huge, unworkable conference is why the Mountain West was formed in the first place. Not sure why anyone thinks Rice adds anything to one's conference, other than another terrible football program. Rice is better than any other Texas option other than UTSA, which you basically have to take. I keep hoping to create a conference that would be desirable for bowls. I want to create a conference that can keep as many Pac-12 bowls as possible. And it would be great to add some other bowls, like the Texas Bowl, which is in Houston. |
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Post by grayman on Sept 8, 2023 16:19:26 GMT -8
I still think the best option, barring a Big-12 invite that does not appear to be coming, is the rebuilding of the Pac-12. By rebuilding the Pac-12, you can be a little more selective of the teams you choose and build a better league than a straight MWC merger. You'd hopefully be able to convince the MWC to dissolve and then invite the 9 teams you want (I think you drop Hawaii, New Mexico and the 3rd is up for grabs... I picked USU down below). That would make 11. Then I think you pick off the top 5 of the AAC you want. Theoretically you could have something like this: WEST Oregon State Washington State Boise State Fresno State San Jose State San Diego State Nevada UNLV EAST
Wyoming
Colorado State
Air Force
UTSA
North Texas
Rice
Tulane
TulsaThat's a decent conference with a reasonable geographic footprint. Now, it sucks compared to the current Pac-12 and isn't a "P5 level conference" but it is clearly straddling the line between P5 and G5 and would be the 5th best conference without argument. Hell, in a good season with the Big-12 looking the way it does, there might be some argument for it as the 4th best (or if the ACC loses its marquee teams). Anyways, I still think it's kind of a pipedream. The logistics of getting this done with a TV partner in place (you are going to have to convince all these teams to jump, so the money has to make sense) are immense. Hopefully this is what Oliver Luck is working on? All told though, seems like a metric f-ton of work for maybe a few million more a year. Most likely is reverse merge with the MWC keeping the Pac-12 branding. If this is essentially how the new Pac pans out, then I would go with something like this: EAST UTSA: Yes, but more about potential. Football has gone 12-2 and 11-3 in last two seasons. Three straight bowls. Team plays in Alamo Dome and has solid attendance (37k for the Houston game last year, mostly around 25k). But I see UTSA as a sleeping giant (which is kind of unusual in Texas because UT and A&M dominate). It's the big school in San Antonio and the fans support local teams. I see that going up with a better conference situation. MEMPHIS: Nine straight bowls (Hawaii Bowl in 2020 was canceled). Went 12-2, 10-3 twice, 9-4 and had three 8-win seasons during this stretch. Strong basketball program. Lone "big" university in Memphis. UAB: Five straight bowls (DNP in 2020 but was eligible). Conference USA champions in 2018 and 2020 and second in 2019. Very good basketball program. TULSA: Very good run in football from 2005-2012. Pretty good overall for the last 20 years. Basketball has been above average overall but not very good in the last couple of years. City has estimated population of 416,408, so maybe some room for local growth when it comes to TV numbers. TULANE: Coming off a great 12-2 season and Cotton Bowl win over USC. Football has been poor to mediocre for the past 20 years otherwise. But probably headed to another good season in 2023. And it's in New Orleans. RICE: I was a no on Rice but I've come around enough to change my mind. Won the CUSA title in 2013 (10-4). Went 10-3 in 2008. Mostly poor football results otherwise. Baseball has tailed off some but has been a perennial power for quite some time. Won the national title in 2003 and has six CWS appearances. And it's in Houston. NORTH TEXAS: No. |
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