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Post by bvrbooster on Sept 5, 2023 12:58:04 GMT -8
Rebuilding the Pac12 seems to be the direction we are headed considering this interview linked by SewingBeav. What is the BEST we can do? West - OSU, WSU, SDSU, BSU, UNLV, Fresno East - Colorado St, New Mexico, UTSA, N Texas, Tulane, Memphis Gawd, that is terrible, and there's a ton of road blocks for that conference to materialize. If we are forced to shoe horn the entire MWC into the Pac12 just because of logistics it's hard to see a good path forward for OSU. In that case, waiting 2 years, as risky as it is, is better than that alternative just so we can say "we did something". There are a few different paths to irrelevancy; waiting 2 years is the surest one, with the exception of a self imposed 'death penalty.' |
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Post by cake on Sept 5, 2023 13:13:50 GMT -8
Rebuilding the Pac12 seems to be the direction we are headed considering this interview linked by SewingBeav. What is the BEST we can do? West - OSU, WSU, SDSU, BSU, UNLV, Fresno East - Colorado St, New Mexico, UTSA, N Texas, Tulane, Memphis Gawd, that is terrible, and there's a ton of road blocks for that conference to materialize. If we are forced to shoe horn the entire MWC into the Pac12 just because of logistics it's hard to see a good path forward for OSU. In that case, waiting 2 years, as risky as it is, is better than that alternative just so we can say "we did something". There are a few different paths to irrelevancy; waiting 2 years is the surest one, with the exception of a self imposed 'death penalty.' What's wrong with waiting? Nevarez has indicated that the Mountain West might be interested in a scheduling agreement that could end up being like Notre Dame in the ACC, where we play a partial schedule for a couple years. Is that so different than joining the Mountain West immediately? Presumably basketball would do the same. It would give baseball and some of our other solid sports more scheduling options to get bigger games to keep our RPI up. I think that sucks too, but I don't see the difference between joining the Mountain West now or later. The big issue is, joining later could allow us to pick which teams we actually want to invite. |
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Post by qbeaver on Sept 5, 2023 13:42:27 GMT -8
Durant committed long ago
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Post by 93beav on Sept 5, 2023 13:42:34 GMT -8
Rebuilding the Pac12 seems to be the direction we are headed considering this interview linked by SewingBeav. What is the BEST we can do? West - OSU, WSU, SDSU, BSU, UNLV, Fresno East - Colorado St, New Mexico, UTSA, N Texas, Tulane, Memphis Gawd, that is terrible, and there's a ton of road blocks for that conference to materialize. If we are forced to shoe horn the entire MWC into the Pac12 just because of logistics it's hard to see a good path forward for OSU. In that case, waiting 2 years, as risky as it is, is better than that alternative just so we can say "we did something". That is terrible? I don't think some of those teams are half-bad. You also have to remember that a lot of the pomposity coming from these upper teams are because they've already had several years of tens of millions of dollars to build up their program. Maybe some of these G5s, if given additional resources, could build out a great program. It would actually do OSU/WSU a lot of good if a couple of them could become contenders every year (in addition to, not at the exclusion of us) to get more notoriety. |
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Post by grayman on Sept 5, 2023 13:57:02 GMT -8
Rebuilding the Pac12 seems to be the direction we are headed considering this interview linked by SewingBeav. What is the BEST we can do? West - OSU, WSU, SDSU, BSU, UNLV, Fresno East - Colorado St, New Mexico, UTSA, N Texas, Tulane, Memphis Gawd, that is terrible, and there's a ton of road blocks for that conference to materialize. If we are forced to shoe horn the entire MWC into the Pac12 just because of logistics it's hard to see a good path forward for OSU. In that case, waiting 2 years, as risky as it is, is better than that alternative just so we can say "we did something". That is terrible? I don't think some of those teams are half-bad. You also have to remember that a lot of the pomposity coming from these upper teams are because they've already had several years of tens of millions of dollars to build up their program. Maybe some of these G5s, if given additional resources, could build out a great program. It would actually do OSU/WSU a lot of good if a couple of them could become contenders every year (in addition to, not at the exclusion of us) to get more notoriety. True, but unfortunately that's not how it works. From what I've read, San Diego State and Boise State have been constantly looking for a way to move to a power conference through the years. They view it as a move up from the MWC and a way to get those additional resources. It's not the other way around. |
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Post by beavheart on Sept 5, 2023 14:39:45 GMT -8
Rebuilding the Pac12 seems to be the direction we are headed considering this interview linked by SewingBeav. What is the BEST we can do? West - OSU, WSU, SDSU, BSU, UNLV, Fresno East - Colorado St, New Mexico, UTSA, N Texas, Tulane, Memphis Gawd, that is terrible, and there's a ton of road blocks for that conference to materialize. If we are forced to shoe horn the entire MWC into the Pac12 just because of logistics it's hard to see a good path forward for OSU. In that case, waiting 2 years, as risky as it is, is better than that alternative just so we can say "we did something". Not sure where your rebuild/teams are coming from? There is no way to currently include UTSA, N Texas, Tulane, Memphis. The PacMtn: North: WSU, OSU Wyoming, Colo St, Air Force, Utah St, Boise St South: Nevada, UNLV, Hawaii (football only), SD St, SJ St, Fresno St, NMex Which is why I said there are a ton of road blocks to that happening. Those are just the best schools I can think of to cobble together, without considering the issues there would be to bring them along. Even though, if it was as easy as picking your combination dinner at the Mexican restaurant then I think all of those schools would jump at the chance to form this conference. All you did was roll us into the MWC with the Pac12 brand. I hate to say it, but I think that is going to torpedo our athletic programs. We're better off to just wait for the next round of realignment in a couple years, than be tied up in that arrangement. |
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 5, 2023 14:50:05 GMT -8
Not sure where your rebuild/teams are coming from? There is no way to currently include UTSA, N Texas, Tulane, Memphis. The PacMtn: North: WSU, OSU Wyoming, Colo St, Air Force, Utah St, Boise St South: Nevada, UNLV, Hawaii (football only), SD St, SJ St, Fresno St, NMex Which is why I said there are a ton of road blocks to that happening. Those are just the best schools I can think of to cobble together, without considering the issues there would be to bring them along. Even though, if it was as easy as picking your combination dinner at the Mexican restaurant then I think all of those schools would jump at the chance to form this conference. All you did was roll us into the MWC with the Pac12 brand. I hate to say it, but I think that is going to torpedo our athletic programs. We're better off to just wait for the next round of realignment in a couple years, than be tied up in that arrangement. Your thoughts appreciated, but the teams on either list aren't going to torpedo anything. If OSU has competed as well as it has being a relative bottom tier team in most Pac12 sports they'll be quite fine. Way too much emphasis is given to the majority of recruits wanting to be in "conference". Our programs, staffs, and school will keep recruiting solid. Especially in a comparative stance. And, the portal attraction may well increase. So, since reality for now is no P4 invite. And, I don't see anyway to survive as an indy for for 2 seasons. And if possible, not at a level it improves or current image/situation. I'll keep the glass 3/4 full on a MWC/Pac conference. The "knowns" are all plusses. And, the limitations (schedules for other sports, etc) are easy fixes. The unknowns mention over and over are just made up chicken little stuff. It's amazing how the same posters that see the current football team as a potential 10+ game winner are so negative about the future. |
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Post by beavheart on Sept 5, 2023 14:54:28 GMT -8
Rebuilding the Pac12 seems to be the direction we are headed considering this interview linked by SewingBeav. What is the BEST we can do? West - OSU, WSU, SDSU, BSU, UNLV, Fresno East - Colorado St, New Mexico, UTSA, N Texas, Tulane, Memphis Gawd, that is terrible, and there's a ton of road blocks for that conference to materialize. If we are forced to shoe horn the entire MWC into the Pac12 just because of logistics it's hard to see a good path forward for OSU. In that case, waiting 2 years, as risky as it is, is better than that alternative just so we can say "we did something". That is terrible? I don't think some of those teams are half-bad. You also have to remember that a lot of the pomposity coming from these upper teams are because they've already had several years of tens of millions of dollars to build up their program. Maybe some of these G5s, if given additional resources, could build out a great program. It would actually do OSU/WSU a lot of good if a couple of them could become contenders every year (in addition to, not at the exclusion of us) to get more notoriety. It gives me no pleasure to leave MWC schools behind. We know exactly what that is like and what it means. I'm not saying never, but there are a lot "ifs" in that scenario. I would say there is about a 2% chance that all of these schools will raise their level of competition in this reconstituted Pac12, and about a 98% chance that OSU and WSU will slowly, maybe not slowly, sink to the MWC mean level. Frankly, there isn't a great path forward right now. The least-bad is where we are treading at the moment, and so don't take it the wrong way when folks start grasping at straws. And, yes, this is all terrible. I'm the king of silver linings, and I'm not even trying right now. Just not worth getting our hopes up when we are being knee-capped for simply being in the wrong location. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 5, 2023 15:02:11 GMT -8
Rebuilding the Pac12 seems to be the direction we are headed considering this interview linked by SewingBeav. What is the BEST we can do? West - OSU, WSU, SDSU, BSU, UNLV, Fresno East - Colorado St, New Mexico, UTSA, N Texas, Tulane, Memphis Gawd, that is terrible, and there's a ton of road blocks for that conference to materialize. If we are forced to shoe horn the entire MWC into the Pac12 just because of logistics it's hard to see a good path forward for OSU. In that case, waiting 2 years, as risky as it is, is better than that alternative just so we can say "we did something". First of all, you are assuming that's "the BEST we can do", there could be others in the league down the line. I'm assuming we probably absorb the MWC, but that conference listed would likely be the 5th or 6th strongest conference. As it is, the MWC is considered to be one of the top 3 G5 conferences in most references I've seen (some the top, some 2nd, some 3rd). Joining the Pac 2 will strengthen it. At which point, whoever is in charge of determining autonomous conferences would have a choice to make... just go with 4, or include the rest of the country by adding a western region conference. The Pac 2 plus won't be one of the 4 strongest, but it could be one of the top 5 or 6 pretty much right away. If Apple announces a streaming deal with the Pac+ in November and we get to the playoffs this, that very well could improve the odds of getting into subscription escalator territory quite quickly when the new deal kicks in next year. The future is not set at all at this point. |
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Post by beavheart on Sept 5, 2023 15:03:43 GMT -8
Which is why I said there are a ton of road blocks to that happening. Those are just the best schools I can think of to cobble together, without considering the issues there would be to bring them along. Even though, if it was as easy as picking your combination dinner at the Mexican restaurant then I think all of those schools would jump at the chance to form this conference. All you did was roll us into the MWC with the Pac12 brand. I hate to say it, but I think that is going to torpedo our athletic programs. We're better off to just wait for the next round of realignment in a couple years, than be tied up in that arrangement. Your thoughts appreciated, but the teams on either list aren't going to torpedo anything. If OSU has competed as well as it has being a relative bottom tier team in most Pac12 sports they'll be quite fine. Way too much emphasis is given to the majority of recruits wanting to be in "conference". Our programs, staffs, and school will keep recruiting solid. Especially in a comparative stance. And, the portal attraction may well increase. So, since reality for now is no P4 invite. And, I don't see anyway to survive as an indy for for 2 seasons. And if possible, not at a level it improves or current image/situation. I'll keep the glass 3/4 full on a MWC/Pac conference. The "knowns" are all plusses. And, the limitations (schedules for other sports, etc) are easy fixes. The unknowns mention over and over are just made up chicken little stuff. It's amazing how the same posters that see the current football team as a potential 10+ game winner are so negative about the future. I think you are being a little obtuse about folks and the way they should see all of this. OSU has just gotten it's feet underneath of it, in more ways than just the football program, and then this. The timing couldn't have been worse, and we are saddled with a terrible reputation that are just starting to recover from. I think it is a testament to Beaver Nation that our message boards and social media isn't 24/7 nuclear meltdown. Honestly, I think we are all taking this very well, all things considered. That said, I hope you are right, because our options are dwindling and none of them are great. Big fish in a small pond? Ask Boise how that is going. I just don't see all the upside you are preaching here. I want to. Just can't. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 5, 2023 15:08:49 GMT -8
Your thoughts appreciated, but the teams on either list aren't going to torpedo anything. If OSU has competed as well as it has being a relative bottom tier team in most Pac12 sports they'll be quite fine. Way too much emphasis is given to the majority of recruits wanting to be in "conference". Our programs, staffs, and school will keep recruiting solid. Especially in a comparative stance. And, the portal attraction may well increase. So, since reality for now is no P4 invite. And, I don't see anyway to survive as an indy for for 2 seasons. And if possible, not at a level it improves or current image/situation. I'll keep the glass 3/4 full on a MWC/Pac conference. The "knowns" are all plusses. And, the limitations (schedules for other sports, etc) are easy fixes. The unknowns mention over and over are just made up chicken little stuff. It's amazing how the same posters that see the current football team as a potential 10+ game winner are so negative about the future. I think you are being a little obtuse about folks and the way they should see all of this. OSU has just gotten it's feet underneath of it, in more ways than just the football program, and then this. The timing couldn't have been worse, and we are saddled with a terrible reputation that are just starting to recover from. I think it is a testament to Beaver Nation that our message boards and social media isn't 24/7 nuclear meltdown. Honestly, I think we are all taking this very well, all things considered. That said, I hope you are right, because our options are dwindling and none of them are great. Big fish in a small pond? Ask Boise how that is going. I just don't see all the upside you are preaching here. I want to. Just can't. Worse than right when GAG left? I don't think so. |
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Post by beavheart on Sept 5, 2023 15:09:45 GMT -8
Rebuilding the Pac12 seems to be the direction we are headed considering this interview linked by SewingBeav. What is the BEST we can do? West - OSU, WSU, SDSU, BSU, UNLV, Fresno East - Colorado St, New Mexico, UTSA, N Texas, Tulane, Memphis Gawd, that is terrible, and there's a ton of road blocks for that conference to materialize. If we are forced to shoe horn the entire MWC into the Pac12 just because of logistics it's hard to see a good path forward for OSU. In that case, waiting 2 years, as risky as it is, is better than that alternative just so we can say "we did something". First of all, you are assuming that's "the BEST we can do", there could be others in the league down the line. I'm assuming we probably absorb the MWC, but that conference listed would likely be the 5th or 6th strongest conference. As it is, the MWC is considered to be one of the top 3 G5 conferences in most references I've seen (some the top, some 2nd, some 3rd). Joining the Pac 2 will strengthen it. At which point, whoever is in charge of determining autonomous conferences would have a choice to make... just go with 4, or include the rest of the country by adding a western regiob conference. The Pac 2 plus won't be one of the 4 strongest, but it could be one of the top 5 or 6 pretty much right away. If Apple announces a streaming deal with the Pac+ in November and we get to the playoffs this, that very well could improve the odds of getting into subscription escalator territory quite quickly when the new deal kicks in next year. The future is not set at all at this point. No one knows the future. Least of all me. The one thing we can be certain of is change. That is part of the reason I would favor a "small" 12 team conference to start, with a footprint in the mid-west so that when these other conferences go through the next round of upheaval we will be situated as a landing spot for the best schools we could add. How long does the SEC tolerate Missouri, or Kentucky? How long does Minnesota hang with the B1G? How long does this arrangement for Calford last? The Big12 is running out of room, and we would be the next best option for a lot of programs on the next go around. |
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Post by beavheart on Sept 5, 2023 15:12:54 GMT -8
I think you are being a little obtuse about folks and the way they should see all of this. OSU has just gotten it's feet underneath of it, in more ways than just the football program, and then this. The timing couldn't have been worse, and we are saddled with a terrible reputation that are just starting to recover from. I think it is a testament to Beaver Nation that our message boards and social media isn't 24/7 nuclear meltdown. Honestly, I think we are all taking this very well, all things considered. That said, I hope you are right, because our options are dwindling and none of them are great. Big fish in a small pond? Ask Boise how that is going. I just don't see all the upside you are preaching here. I want to. Just can't. Worse than right when GAG left? I don't think so. Honestly, I think that would have been better. There wasn't a shred of hope to pass between 2 brain cells at that time. Almost would have been a merciful death really. Now, we FINALLY have our hopes up... Just to have them dashed by fan boys dressed as a TV execs. |
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Post by ftd on Sept 5, 2023 15:15:11 GMT -8
My best case scenario to rebuild the Pac-x Get the 'who gets the assets issue resolved ASAP bennyshouse.com/thread/24696/barnes-frustrated-speed-trickle-assetsAssuming WSU and OSU get the lion's share of the assets, play as the Pac-2 for up to two years with a scheduling agreement with the MWC in as many sports as possible. See how this whole re-alignment fiasco plays out for a year or two. Prepare to grab Pacific/Mountain time zone teams with buyers remorse as well as add the best of the MWC. Some will get left behind...(hello WAC??? for them) Work on the media deal as we progress down the path...Apple may be the best, but maybe the johnsons at ESPN and or Fox will come around? Lots of things can/will change in two years. Gotta get the money from the Pac12 assets SOON so we can recruit/keep coaches, etc. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 5, 2023 15:15:50 GMT -8
Worse than right when GAG left? I don't think so. Honestly, I think that would have been better. There wasn't a shred of hope to pass between 2 brain cells at that time. Almost would have been a merciful death really. Now, we FINALLY have our hopes up... Just to have them dashed by fan boys dressed as a TV execs. Then I don't think you're the "king of silver linings" |
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