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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 4, 2023 16:00:26 GMT -8
Regardless of what happens, and there are so many possibilities, I wish people would stop using BSU as an example to hold up (I posted this previously, apologies for the re-post). Here is their record from 2014, the year the CFB playoffs started, to 2022: 2014-2022 12-2 9-4 10-3 11-3 10-3 12-2 5-2 (Covid) 7-5 10-4 For all of that, their highest CFB Final rank was 19, with a 20 and two 25's. Their PERCEIVED strength of schedule will never be enough to win over the committee. And now they are in the era of NIL and transfer portals. Could we do better? Sure. If we win at least 10 this year and next year we do the same, presuming our opponents are of decent quality, then maybe we get some household recognition. Our coaches are great, but they aren't going to stick around forever at low pay, and if we're winning 10 again, people are going to try and poach them. Doesn't mean we can't find cheaper coaches who are as good, but I'd rather keep the known quantity. Unless we have a chunk of spare change to get us through lean years, we're going to lose coaches and then maybe the players aren't as enamored with the program, who knows? At the opposite end of the spectrum, maybe we're like Gonzaga, but with football, where we're on the outside of the "system" but always seemingly in the mix. I actually feel like we'd have a better shot at becoming a really good basketball and baseball program if we took our seemingly sparse dollars and invested it in those teams. You only have to pay off 12. Isn't that superior to probably 7 or 8 Pac-12 programs during that time? Everyone except Utah, Oregon and SC, and perhaps Washington? Having an elite baseball program is great, but I don't see any monetary payoff in it, compared to having an outstanding football program. |
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Post by grayman on Sept 4, 2023 16:23:14 GMT -8
Regardless of what happens, and there are so many possibilities, I wish people would stop using BSU as an example to hold up (I posted this previously, apologies for the re-post). Here is their record from 2014, the year the CFB playoffs started, to 2022: 2014-2022 12-2 9-4 10-3 11-3 10-3 12-2 5-2 (Covid) 7-5 10-4 For all of that, their highest CFB Final rank was 19, with a 20 and two 25's. Their PERCEIVED strength of schedule will never be enough to win over the committee. And now they are in the era of NIL and transfer portals. Could we do better? Sure. If we win at least 10 this year and next year we do the same, presuming our opponents are of decent quality, then maybe we get some household recognition. Our coaches are great, but they aren't going to stick around forever at low pay, and if we're winning 10 again, people are going to try and poach them. Doesn't mean we can't find cheaper coaches who are as good, but I'd rather keep the known quantity. Unless we have a chunk of spare change to get us through lean years, we're going to lose coaches and then maybe the players aren't as enamored with the program, who knows? At the opposite end of the spectrum, maybe we're like Gonzaga, but with football, where we're on the outside of the "system" but always seemingly in the mix. I actually feel like we'd have a better shot at becoming a really good basketball and baseball program if we took our seemingly sparse dollars and invested it in those teams. You only have to pay off 12. Isn't that superior to probably 7 or 8 Pac-12 programs during that time? Everyone except Utah, Oregon and SC, and perhaps Washington? Having an elite baseball program is great, but I don't see any monetary payoff in it, compared to having an outstanding football program. Those records would probably not have been quite as good if Boise State had played a Pac-12 schedule each of those seasons. But yeah, football is more important than baseball. But that doesn't mean OSU shouldn't try to keep its baseball program in the best possible situation. |
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Post by TheGlove on Sept 4, 2023 16:24:20 GMT -8
I have already read somewhere that Chiles will transfer out if/when we end up in MW (he likely won't be alone). This is the kind of crap that makes me hate this board specifically and social media in general. Crap is spewed without legit sourcing and then exaggerated (he’s not only the only one leaving!!!!!) and then it’s repeated until people believe it or accepted as fact. I heard this here… I read this there… jrbeavo not picking on you solely. This is just a prime example. Makes me want to shut it down. |
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Post by beaver94 on Sept 4, 2023 16:41:37 GMT -8
Regardless of what happens, and there are so many possibilities, I wish people would stop using BSU as an example to hold up (I posted this previously, apologies for the re-post). Here is their record from 2014, the year the CFB playoffs started, to 2022: 2014-2022 12-2 9-4 10-3 11-3 10-3 12-2 5-2 (Covid) 7-5 10-4 For all of that, their highest CFB Final rank was 19, with a 20 and two 25's. Their PERCEIVED strength of schedule will never be enough to win over the committee. And now they are in the era of NIL and transfer portals. Could we do better? Sure. If we win at least 10 this year and next year we do the same, presuming our opponents are of decent quality, then maybe we get some household recognition. Our coaches are great, but they aren't going to stick around forever at low pay, and if we're winning 10 again, people are going to try and poach them. Doesn't mean we can't find cheaper coaches who are as good, but I'd rather keep the known quantity. Unless we have a chunk of spare change to get us through lean years, we're going to lose coaches and then maybe the players aren't as enamored with the program, who knows? At the opposite end of the spectrum, maybe we're like Gonzaga, but with football, where we're on the outside of the "system" but always seemingly in the mix. I actually feel like we'd have a better shot at becoming a really good basketball and baseball program if we took our seemingly sparse dollars and invested it in those teams. You only have to pay off 12. I believe 2014 is also the year Chris Peterson left for Washington. Maybe it’s related to the CFB playoffs starting, but I’m not surprised they’ve had a small drop off since then. Successful coaches are hard to replace. |
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Post by jrbeavo on Sept 4, 2023 16:51:01 GMT -8
I have already read somewhere that Chiles will transfer out if/when we end up in MW (he likely won't be alone). This is the kind of crap that makes me hate this board specifically and social media in general. Crap is spewed without legit sourcing and then exaggerated (he’s not only the only one leaving!!!!!) and then it’s repeated until people believe it or accepted as fact. I heard this here… I read this there… jrbeavo not picking on you solely. This is just a prime example. Makes me want to shut it down. Came from a comment on the Pure Orange FB page. Not exactly Woodward and Bernstein I concede. I should not have thrown that out there, that is my bad |
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Post by TheGlove on Sept 4, 2023 17:35:42 GMT -8
This is the kind of crap that makes me hate this board specifically and social media in general. Crap is spewed without legit sourcing and then exaggerated (he’s not only the only one leaving!!!!!) and then it’s repeated until people believe it or accepted as fact. I heard this here… I read this there… jrbeavo not picking on you solely. This is just a prime example. Makes me want to shut it down. Came from a comment on the Pure Orange FB page. Not exactly Woodward and Bernstein I concede. I should not have thrown that out there, that is my bad We’re good. It’s a tough time and with a ton of uncertainty. |
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Post by sparty on Sept 4, 2023 17:52:47 GMT -8
I have already read somewhere that Chiles will transfer out if/when we end up in MW (he likely won't be alone). This is the kind of crap that makes me hate this board specifically and social media in general. Crap is spewed without legit sourcing and then exaggerated (he’s not only the only one leaving!!!!!) and then it’s repeated until people believe it or accepted as fact. I heard this here… I read this there… jrbeavo not picking on you solely. This is just a prime example. Makes me want to shut it down. You are not going to like what Canzano and his cronies are pumping out to get daily clicks either btw. The guy will switch to what ever is the biggest irritant to a fan base for that week. How many times has he said "His sources tell him this or that ...." in the last 6 months. Thing is he never makes a correction about it when he is called out dead wrong. I get the business he is in and how he makes his money but where is the honest reporting now days. I would ban him from the premises of the stadium during game days. That is how strongly I feel about his false narratives.
And pretty soon Canzanos dribble is taken as true.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Sept 4, 2023 18:28:05 GMT -8
This is the kind of crap that makes me hate this board specifically and social media in general. Crap is spewed without legit sourcing and then exaggerated (he’s not only the only one leaving!!!!!) and then it’s repeated until people believe it or accepted as fact. I heard this here… I read this there… jrbeavo not picking on you solely. This is just a prime example. Makes me want to shut it down. You are not going to like what Canzano and his cronies are pumping out to get daily clicks either btw. The guy will switch to what ever is the biggest irritant to a fan base for that week. How many times has he said "His sources tell him this or that ...." in the last 6 months. Thing is he never makes a correction about it when he is called out dead wrong. I get the business he is in and how he makes his money but where is the honest reporting now days. I would ban him from the premises of the stadium during game days. That is how strongly I feel about his false narratives.
And pretty soon Canzanos dribble is taken as true.
The guy is a total asshat. I refuse to believe anything he says. Clownzano and the whorigon can't be trusted. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Sept 4, 2023 18:43:20 GMT -8
This is what I don't understand. Why are all schools responsible for paying back the media money to whoever the carrier was but only osu and wazoo are the only ones eligible for future payouts by the ncaa? Aren't the future payouts based ona what the pac12 did in prior years when all the schools were members?
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Post by grayman on Sept 4, 2023 18:46:42 GMT -8
This is pretty nitpicky but I've seen so many people use "dribble" in this way in recent years that I guess I'll weigh in.
It's really drivel, not dribble. Dribble is to drool or a slow drip of liquid (or the sport usage in basketball and soccer). Drivel is to criticize someone's pointless speech or, in this case, writing.
It's a little weird because the words used to be interchangeable a long time ago but have since been differentiated.
And while I'm on a roll, it's champing at the bit, not chomping at the bit.
Carry on.
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Post by ostate on Sept 4, 2023 19:21:07 GMT -8
This is what I don't understand. Why are all schools responsible for paying back the media money to whoever the carrier was but only osu and wazoo are the only ones eligible for future payouts by the ncaa? Aren't the future payouts based ona what the pac12 did in prior years when all the schools were members? From what I understand about it; is overpaid monies from like 2019/2020 media and all schools agreed to be pay it back before everything blew up... |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 4, 2023 19:36:15 GMT -8
Regardless of what happens, and there are so many possibilities, I wish people would stop using BSU as an example to hold up (I posted this previously, apologies for the re-post). Here is their record from 2014, the year the CFB playoffs started, to 2022: 2014-2022 12-2 9-4 10-3 11-3 10-3 12-2 5-2 (Covid) 7-5 10-4 For all of that, their highest CFB Final rank was 19, with a 20 and two 25's. Their PERCEIVED strength of schedule will never be enough to win over the committee. And now they are in the era of NIL and transfer portals. Could we do better? Sure. If we win at least 10 this year and next year we do the same, presuming our opponents are of decent quality, then maybe we get some household recognition. Our coaches are great, but they aren't going to stick around forever at low pay, and if we're winning 10 again, people are going to try and poach them. Doesn't mean we can't find cheaper coaches who are as good, but I'd rather keep the known quantity. Unless we have a chunk of spare change to get us through lean years, we're going to lose coaches and then maybe the players aren't as enamored with the program, who knows? At the opposite end of the spectrum, maybe we're like Gonzaga, but with football, where we're on the outside of the "system" but always seemingly in the mix. I actually feel like we'd have a better shot at becoming a really good basketball and baseball program if we took our seemingly sparse dollars and invested it in those teams. You only have to pay off 12. 2014 CFP if played with 2024's conferences and 2024's bowls: Alabama, Florida State, Oregon, and Baylor gets byes. The rest: #12 Boise State @ #5 Ohio State. Winner plays Baylor, likely in the Fiesta Bowl. #11 Kansas State @ #6 TCU. Winner plays Oregon, likely in the Rose Bowl. #10 Arizona @ #7 Mississippi State. Winner plays Florida State, likely in the Peach Bowl. #9 Mississippi @ #8 Michigan State. Winner plays Alabama, likely in the Sugar Bowl. And that was a two-loss Boise! Boise lost by 22 in Atlanta to Mississippi and by 14 in Colorado Springs. An 11-2 Boise would have received a shot, even if they would have had to beat Ohio State in Columbus and Baylor in Glendale to get it. |
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 4, 2023 20:10:38 GMT -8
This is the kind of crap that makes me hate this board specifically and social media in general. Crap is spewed without legit sourcing and then exaggerated (he’s not only the only one leaving!!!!!) and then it’s repeated until people believe it or accepted as fact. I heard this here… I read this there… jrbeavo not picking on you solely. This is just a prime example. Makes me want to shut it down. You are not going to like what Canzano and his cronies are pumping out to get daily clicks either btw. The guy will switch to what ever is the biggest irritant to a fan base for that week. How many times has he said "His sources tell him this or that ...." in the last 6 months. Thing is he never makes a correction about it when he is called out dead wrong. I get the business he is in and how he makes his money but where is the honest reporting now days. I would ban him from the premises of the stadium during game days. That is how strongly I feel about his false narratives.
And pretty soon Canzanos dribble is taken as true.
Does he post here? Isn't that the point being made... not media in general, but BS posted here? Point? Lol... complain about the guy yet you seemingly still read him? |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 4, 2023 20:12:22 GMT -8
Regardless of what happens, and there are so many possibilities, I wish people would stop using BSU as an example to hold up (I posted this previously, apologies for the re-post). Here is their record from 2014, the year the CFB playoffs started, to 2022: 2014-2022 12-2 9-4 10-3 11-3 10-3 12-2 5-2 (Covid) 7-5 10-4 For all of that, their highest CFB Final rank was 19, with a 20 and two 25's. Their PERCEIVED strength of schedule will never be enough to win over the committee. And now they are in the era of NIL and transfer portals. Could we do better? Sure. If we win at least 10 this year and next year we do the same, presuming our opponents are of decent quality, then maybe we get some household recognition. Our coaches are great, but they aren't going to stick around forever at low pay, and if we're winning 10 again, people are going to try and poach them. Doesn't mean we can't find cheaper coaches who are as good, but I'd rather keep the known quantity. Unless we have a chunk of spare change to get us through lean years, we're going to lose coaches and then maybe the players aren't as enamored with the program, who knows? At the opposite end of the spectrum, maybe we're like Gonzaga, but with football, where we're on the outside of the "system" but always seemingly in the mix. I actually feel like we'd have a better shot at becoming a really good basketball and baseball program if we took our seemingly sparse dollars and invested it in those teams. You only have to pay off 12. Isn't that superior to probably 7 or 8 Pac-12 programs during that time? Everyone except Utah, Oregon and SC, and perhaps Washington? Having an elite baseball program is great, but I don't see any monetary payoff in it, compared to having an outstanding football program. You know, every team in the Pac-12, save California, has been ranked higher than #19 in a final CFP. California was last ranked that high back in 2006. And then Oregon State broke #1 California in Berkeley in 2007. And now they are leaving us, because they can't beat us. But I digress. Only five Pac-12 teams have not been ranked better than 20 twice in the final CFP: Arizona, Arizona State, California, Colorado, and Oregon State. Four Pac-12 teams have been ranked better than 25 four or more times: Oregon, USC, Utah, and Washington. Stanford has been ranked three times. UCLA and Wazzu have been ranked twice. Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, and Oregon State have been ranked once. And California has not been ranked since Oregon State wrecked Cal's program back in 2007. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 4, 2023 20:14:42 GMT -8
This is what I don't understand. Why are all schools responsible for paying back the media money to whoever the carrier was but only osu and wazoo are the only ones eligible for future payouts by the ncaa? Aren't the future payouts based ona what the pac12 did in prior years when all the schools were members? Because that's the way the pickle squirts. You're out of the conference, you don't get any share of future conference revenue. The new Big Ten, ACC and Big 12 schools will share in those conferences NCAA basketball revenues, even though they did nothing to earn them. Can't have it both ways. |
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