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Post by jrbeavo on Sept 4, 2023 9:25:25 GMT -8
This is exactly the point. With the exception of Wyoming (which says just as much about Perdue), the MW teams got manhandled yesterday and that is a glimpse into our future. It is likely inevitable, but the world doesn't exist in a vacuum. We will regress to the mean if we end up at that level, and we will just have to accept that our days of dreaming big will be gone. Wyoming beat coaches’ poll preseason ranked Texas Tech. Perdue, beaten by Fresno, reached the Big 10 Championship game last year, they are in a weaker division though. Spealthetruth has a point. If ‘moving down’ to a lower league is bad, moving into purgatory with no championship to play for is likely worse. You're right, my bad. Little quick on the trigger finger. Takes some of the air out of the ducks next week, which is welcome. |
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Post by ricke71 on Sept 4, 2023 9:28:11 GMT -8
So they're going to stick around to play for the MWC championship? The team we just went through in what looked to me like very routine, workmanlike, fashion yesterday finished second in their division in the MWC last year. And how about that 20,000 seat, one sided stadium? The two best teams in the MWC we beat last year, and that was before we really got it going. One of those teams we beat quite routinely, and that team just got slaughtered by UW. Don't believe winning the MWC is going to thrill too many kids. This is exactly the point. With the exception of Wyoming (which says just as much about Perdue), the MW teams got manhandled yesterday and that is a glimpse into our future. It is likely inevitable, but the world doesn't exist in a vacuum. We will regress to the mean if we end up at that level, and we will just have to accept that our days of dreaming big will be gone. MWC is accomplishing a bit more than just Wyoming beating a 25th ranked team - admittedly against questionable competition. SDS is 2-0. This past weekend Fresno State won at Purdue. AFA, UNLV also won this weekend. Hawaii has looked 'reasonable' against both Vandy (on the road) and Stanford. It's a far cry from the PAC-12, but I think OSU in the MWC could be pretty fun. |
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Post by jrbeavo on Sept 4, 2023 9:28:24 GMT -8
This is exactly the point. With the exception of Wyoming (which says just as much about Perdue), the MW teams got manhandled yesterday and that is a glimpse into our future. It is likely inevitable, but the world doesn't exist in a vacuum. We will regress to the mean if we end up at that level, and we will just have to accept that our days of dreaming big will be gone. Wyoming beat coaches’ poll preseason ranked Texas Tech. Perdue, beaten by Fresno, reached the Big 10 Championship game last year, they are in a weaker division though. Spealthetruth has a point. If ‘moving down’ to a lower league is bad, moving into purgatory with no championship to play for is likely worse. The upside is that it doesn't commit you to anything and allows for some agility in a very fluid situation. If we are going to be relegated there is no reason to rush to get there. I just think that the MW is a one way ticket to irrelevance....may be inevitable, but we should be dogged in exhausting all other options. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 4, 2023 9:28:45 GMT -8
It's Purdue.
And playing in the MWC didn't stop Boise State from dreaming big and accomplishing big things, and keeping a high-quality head coach long after many thought he would move on. Nor has it stopped SDSU's basketball program.
Will it be harder? Most definitely. But big things are still achievable.
Again, the biggest thing is, the MWC wants us, and values us. Our own conferenced brethren (except Wazzu), the Big Ten, the Big 12 and the ACC don't.
We can do their homework and give them rides to school from now until eternity but they're not gonna date us.
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Post by jrbeavo on Sept 4, 2023 9:51:58 GMT -8
It's Purdue. And playing in the MWC didn't stop Boise State from dreaming big and accomplishing big things, and keeping a high-quality head coach long after many thought he would move on. Nor has it stopped SDSU's basketball program. Will it be harder? Most definitely. But big things are still achievable. Again, the biggest thing is, the MWC wants us, and values us. Our own conferenced brethren (except Wazzu), the Big Ten, the Big 12 and the ACC don't. We can do their homework and give them rides to school from now until eternity but they're not gonna date us. I was obviously talking about Will Perdue dude. Boise State accomplished those things in a different era and the chasm between the haves and the have nots has increased since then. Boise has been mid for several years now and they were completely outclassed Saturday against a team I fully expect to beat this season. Not being able to get the hot girl does not mean you should pivot and run to the ugliest one. I have already said this may be our fate, but it doesn't mean I have to embrace it or foolishly look for silver linings. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 4, 2023 10:01:30 GMT -8
I have already said this may be our fate, but it doesn't mean I have to embrace it or foolishly look for silver linings.
I'll concede your point on embracing our impending merger with the MWC.
But no one who looks for the upside in any dire situation is foolish.
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Post by jrbeavo on Sept 4, 2023 10:06:22 GMT -8
I have already said this may be our fate, but it doesn't mean I have to embrace it or foolishly look for silver linings.
I'll concede your point on embracing our impending merger with the MWC. But no one who looks for the upside in any dire situation is foolish. I won't start that search until that is my situation. That may be in a few weeks. Until then I will be continue to be foolishly optimistic. if that is where we end up, I will concentrate on making the best of it and also figuring out a longer-term pathway out. |
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Post by beavheart on Sept 4, 2023 11:18:13 GMT -8
Speaking of foolishly optimistic...
What if Apple came up with an offer to the original Pac12 that was too good to be ignored. One that gives all the concessions to the run-way models that they think they deserve, and is better than what anyone is being offered now.
Could this all just be considered posturing for leverage, and everyone be brought back to the table? Is it too late for a Hail Mary?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 4, 2023 11:36:24 GMT -8
Speaking of foolishly optimistic... What if Apple came up with an offer to the original Pac12 that was too good to be ignored. One that gives all the concessions to the run-way models that they think they deserve, and is better than what anyone is being offered now. Could this all just be considered posturing for leverage, and everyone be brought back to the table? Is it too late for a Hail Mary? According to this www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/article278035908.html. Stanford, Cal and SMU have already signed a GOR contract with the ACC. I assume that is the case with the other schools and their respective conferencesas well. If so, they'd likely be on the hook to pay HUGE money to buy themselves out. |
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 4, 2023 11:36:57 GMT -8
It's Purdue. And playing in the MWC didn't stop Boise State from dreaming big and accomplishing big things, and keeping a high-quality head coach long after many thought he would move on. Nor has it stopped SDSU's basketball program. Will it be harder? Most definitely. But big things are still achievable. Again, the biggest thing is, the MWC wants us, and values us. Our own conferenced brethren (except Wazzu), the Big Ten, the Big 12 and the ACC don't. We can do their homework and give them rides to school from now until eternity but they're not gonna date us. I was obviously talking about Will Perdue dude. Boise State accomplished those things in a different era and the chasm between the haves and the have nots has increased since then. Boise has been mid for several years now and they were completely outclassed Saturday against a team I fully expect to beat this season. Not being able to get the hot girl does not mean you should pivot and run to the ugliest one. I have already said this may be our fate, but it doesn't mean I have to embrace it or foolishly look for silver linings. Or even more foolishly, just make crap up! Irrelevance... complete utter BS. OSU & WSU in the MWC and winning 10+ games each season makes the MWC more than relevant. OSU can add a solid NC schedule and be near or in the top 12 consistently. And, your weak analogy proves your thought process. The "ugliest" is no conference affiliation at all. Couple that with your Boise assessment... take a look at the comparative W/L records and national esteem of their program and ours over the last 5-10 years. Then make up some more BS. And, "fully expect" to beat UW? OSU will prob be double digit dogs at home by then. Other than that, keep making stuff up. At least you think it's factual. |
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Post by beavheart on Sept 4, 2023 11:38:51 GMT -8
Speaking of foolishly optimistic... What if Apple came up with an offer to the original Pac12 that was too good to be ignored. One that gives all the concessions to the run-way models that they think they deserve, and is better than what anyone is being offered now. Could this all just be considered posturing for leverage, and everyone be brought back to the table? Is it too late for a Hail Mary? According to this www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/article278035908.html. Stanford, Cal and SMU have already signed a GOR contract with the ACC. I assume that is the case with the other schools and their respective conferencesas well. If so, they'd likely be on the hook to pay HUGE money to buy themselves out. Got it. Didn't realize they had all already signed contracts. Yeah, we're screwed. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Sept 4, 2023 11:50:58 GMT -8
I was obviously talking about Will Perdue dude. Boise State accomplished those things in a different era and the chasm between the haves and the have nots has increased since then. Boise has been mid for several years now and they were completely outclassed Saturday against a team I fully expect to beat this season. Not being able to get the hot girl does not mean you should pivot and run to the ugliest one. I have already said this may be our fate, but it doesn't mean I have to embrace it or foolishly look for silver linings. Or even more foolishly, just make crap up! Irrelevance... complete utter BS. OSU & WSU in the MWC and winning 10+ games each season makes the MWC more than relevant. OSU can add a solid NC schedule and be near or in the top 12 consistently. And, your weak analogy proves your thought process. The "ugliest" is no conference affiliation at all. Couple that with your Boise assessment... take a look at the comparative W/L records and national esteem of their program and ours over the last 5-10 years. Then make up some more BS. And, "fully expect" to beat UW? OSU will prob be double digit dogs at home by then. Other than that, keep making stuff up. At least you think it's factual. Dude, pretty harsh. Why you always gotta try to make people feel stupid? All of us are speculating on this thing. I'm gonna speculate that we could be dogs at home to the Dawgs, but no way by double digits.......we have been very good at home. |
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Post by jrbeavo on Sept 4, 2023 11:59:47 GMT -8
I was obviously talking about Will Perdue dude. Boise State accomplished those things in a different era and the chasm between the haves and the have nots has increased since then. Boise has been mid for several years now and they were completely outclassed Saturday against a team I fully expect to beat this season. Not being able to get the hot girl does not mean you should pivot and run to the ugliest one. I have already said this may be our fate, but it doesn't mean I have to embrace it or foolishly look for silver linings. Or even more foolishly, just make crap up! Irrelevance... complete utter BS. OSU & WSU in the MWC and winning 10+ games each season makes the MWC more than relevant. OSU can add a solid NC schedule and be near or in the top 12 consistently. And, your weak analogy proves your thought process. The "ugliest" is no conference affiliation at all. Couple that with your Boise assessment... take a look at the comparative W/L records and national esteem of their program and ours over the last 5-10 years. Then make up some more BS. And, "fully expect" to beat UW? OSU will prob be double digit dogs at home by then. Other than that, keep making stuff up. At least you think it's factual. You are a fully realized and sentient board Karen, what an absolute boor of a human you are. It is tough to consider that we root for some of the same things, go to a f'ing party and try meet some people dude. It is funny how we are at once supposed to be realistic about our immediate future, but unduly optimistic about what that will look like once we are there. Again, you are convinced that the world operates in a vacuum and that a team in Corvallis will necessarily be a better draw than a team in Boise (or Fresno, or San Diego or Ft Collins). Yes, I fully expect to beat Washington at home, the fact that right now you don't tells me everything. I believe where we are right now is better than anywhere BS has been in a decade. Where we are right now proves that we can ascend to levels that allow us for occasional big picture optimism. You want small time, you'll probably get it so be excited for that. Also, how do people 'make up' opinions? |
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 4, 2023 12:07:00 GMT -8
Or even more foolishly, just make crap up! Irrelevance... complete utter BS. OSU & WSU in the MWC and winning 10+ games each season makes the MWC more than relevant. OSU can add a solid NC schedule and be near or in the top 12 consistently. And, your weak analogy proves your thought process. The "ugliest" is no conference affiliation at all. Couple that with your Boise assessment... take a look at the comparative W/L records and national esteem of their program and ours over the last 5-10 years. Then make up some more BS. And, "fully expect" to beat UW? OSU will prob be double digit dogs at home by then. Other than that, keep making stuff up. At least you think it's factual. Dude, pretty harsh. Why you always gotta try to make people feel stupid? All of us are speculating on this thing. I'm gonna speculate that we could be dogs at home to the Dawgs, but no way by double digits.......we have been very good at home. Stupid is as stupid does!! There was NO speculation... read the post. It was stated as this is what will happen. And, your right, every scenario has been hashed, rehashed, and beaten to a pulp. The posters who were not part of the original discussions show up late in the game and state more than just an opinion. The MWC is the best choice for a conference affiliation as proven by... no invites from the B10, B12... the AAC being turned away. Whether a merger happens, or WSU/OSU decide to join, or go indy, or??? is all hanging on two things. First, the legal mumbo jumbo of the Pac12 membership/voting rights, what can and can be voted on, and the assets and who controls them, and when. Second, is Apple waiting on a "conference" decision and are they still interested in a deal. Apple media insiders say Apple is 99% guaranteed to enter the college football/hoops streaming market. Hopefully that is true. But, what will happen, will happen. And, OSU will not be "irrelevant", and the MWC is not the "ugliest" partner as proven by the openness to work with the OSU & WSU in multiple ways. Plus, whatever does happen can be bandied about with opinion, but it will be the "right" thing as it is what is going to happen to go forward. As such, the "silver lining" is to make the upmost out of the opportunity, not bitch and moan about what it not possible. |
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Post by jrbeavo on Sept 4, 2023 12:15:25 GMT -8
Dude, pretty harsh. Why you always gotta try to make people feel stupid? All of us are speculating on this thing. I'm gonna speculate that we could be dogs at home to the Dawgs, but no way by double digits.......we have been very good at home. Stupid is as stupid does!! There was NO speculation... read the post. It was stated as this is what will happen. And, your right, every scenario has been hashed, rehashed, and beaten to a pulp. The posters who were not part of the original discussions show up late in the game and state more than just an opinion. The MWC is the best choice for a conference affiliation as proven by... no invites from the B10, B12... the AAC being turned away. Whether a merger happens, or WSU/OSU decide to join, or go indy, or??? is all hanging on two things. First, the legal mumbo jumbo of the Pac12 membership/voting rights, what can and can be voted on, and the assets and who controls them, and when. Second, is Apple waiting on a "conference" decision and are they still interested in a deal. Apple media insiders say Apple is 99% guaranteed to enter the college football/hoops streaming market. Hopefully that is true. But, what will happen, will happen. And, OSU will not be "irrelevant", and the MWC is not the "ugliest" partner as proven by the openness to work with the OSU & WSU in multiple ways. Plus, whatever does happen can be bandied about with opinion, but it will be the "right" thing as it is what is going to happen to go forward. As such, the "silver lining" is to make the upmost out of the opportunity, not bitch and moan about what it not possible. So, you believe that I have the power to state what is GOING to happen in the future, and you consider that me not offering an opinion about said future, but rather stating a fact...like 'next wednesday, two plus two will equal four"? You think my statement about Boise's recent history is not subjective, but objective ? You think my forecast of what will happen once we are fully relegated is not speculation but rather prescience? If you're going to play the role of scold, at least do it with some intellectual credibility. And if this is all old news to you, then skip it and move on . |
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