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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 3, 2023 21:56:58 GMT -8
Oregon does not really have an opening until 2029, unless something pops open. I would like to keep scheduling Washington home-and-home starting in 2024. They have a rather open schedule. California and Stanford should have extra nonconference games to schedule starting next year, unless the ACC switches off the eight-game conference schedule. If Washington schedules someone else or we are stalling, California and Stanford should be scheduled for home-and-homes starting in 2024. UCLA has an opening in 2024 and one in 2027. Arizona State and USC are booked until 2027, unless something comes open. Arizona has holes in their schedule until 2028. Utah's schedule is pretty open. Colorado has openings from 2025-2029. Oregon State already has Idaho State, @ Boise, and Purdue on the schedule and should have Wazzu, as well to end the 2024 season. Without buyouts, you could schedule 2024 Arizona @ Boise California Idaho State Purdue @ Stanford @ UCLA @ Utah @ Washington Wazzu 2025 @ Arizona @ California Colorado Fresno State Portland State Stanford Utah @ Texas Tech Washington @ Wazzu Then, you just need two. Mountain West teams, which either need or can schedule one game: 2024 Hawai'i Nevada New Mexico UNLV Utah State 2025 Hawai'i Nevada San Diego State UNLV Utah State Wyoming Choices for a home-and-home are Hawai'i, Nevada, UNLV, and Utah State with the last three probably presenting fewer logistical problems than Hawai'i itself. The other choice would be to mix and match. look for an "affiliate" membership for the P2 in the mwc for the next couple of years (similar to HI's current situation with the mwc) That would mean playing at least seven Mountain West teams every year and Wazzu. That is a lot of Mountain West. I was thinking to try and join in sports that are hard to schedule without conferences, like basketball. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 3, 2023 22:04:26 GMT -8
Could the departing pac 12 schools be guilted into scheduling home and home series with us for a year or two? Maybe not a full schedule worth, but to help fill the holes. It would seem the least they could do for leaving us high and dry. You would almost literally need to get permission from the conferences they are joining to allow getting their conference schedules messed with. The 8 holes you are trying to fill are in weeks 4-12. Also, a home and home series is 2 years unless you play twice in a season. In theory everyone cooperates to give poor little OSU and WSU a full schedule, but I don't think it'll fly. Same deal with MWC schools, it'd be obvious you're doing this to poach a portion of the conference later, are they gonna cooperate? |
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 3, 2023 22:10:00 GMT -8
Could the departing pac 12 schools be guilted into scheduling home and home series with us for a year or two? Maybe not a full schedule worth, but to help fill the holes. It would seem the least they could do for leaving us high and dry. You would almost literally need to get permission from the conferences they are joining to allow getting their conference schedules messed with. The 8 holes you are trying to fill are in weeks 4-12. Also, a home and home series is 2 years unless you play twice in a season. I don't think it'll fly. Plus it solves nothing for all the other sports... WBB? MBB? Baseball? Etc... Hoops would be impossible to schedule without a conference. |
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Post by 02beav on Sept 3, 2023 22:13:56 GMT -8
You would almost literally need to get permission from the conferences they are joining to allow getting their conference schedules messed with. The 8 holes you are trying to fill are in weeks 4-12. Also, a home and home series is 2 years unless you play twice in a season. I don't think it'll fly. Plus it solves nothing for all the other sports... WBB? MBB? Baseball? Etc... Hoops would be impossible to schedule without a conference. Difficult sure. Require a creative approach, absolutely. Impossible? Nope |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 3, 2023 22:21:55 GMT -8
Perhaps Barnes should see if it's OK to play the same team more than once a season. Then OSU and WSU could just play each other 9 times.
They could make a road show of it. Play once in Portland, once in Seattle, once in Vegas, then maybe add in games in Dallas and Houston to help build the recruiting base. At that point they could still have 2 home games each against each other... then off to the Conference Championship game back in Vegas.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 3, 2023 22:32:42 GMT -8
Could the departing pac 12 schools be guilted into scheduling home and home series with us for a year or two? Maybe not a full schedule worth, but to help fill the holes. It would seem the least they could do for leaving us high and dry. You would almost literally need to get permission from the conferences they are joining to allow getting their conference schedules messed with. The 8 holes you are trying to fill are in weeks 4-12. Also, a home and home series is 2 years unless you play twice in a season. In theory everyone cooperates to give poor little OSU and WSU a full schedule, but I don't think it'll fly. Same deal with MWC schools, it'd be obvious you're doing this to poach a portion of the conference later, are they gonna cooperate? Conferences are contractually required to fill in games around the nonconference games. Oregon State scheduled San Diego State for September 21st in 2013. The Pac-12 scheduled a conference game against Utah on the 14th. Oregon State schedule Brigham Young on October 13th in 2012. The Pac-12 scheduled three conference games in the weekends leading up to the trip to Provo. 2011 was almost the same with a home game against BYU on the Ides of October. Once again, three conference games in the weekends leading up tot he trip to Provo. Utah was October 2nd back in 2008. Pac-10 scheduled around it. Utah State was October 3rd back in 1998. Pac-10 scheduled around it. In 1997, Oregon State scheduled San Jose State on October 4th and Utah State on October 11th. Pac-10 scheduled around it. In 1996, Oregon State scheduled a trip to Baylor on September 21st and a home game against Northern Illinois on November 16th. Pac-10 scheduled around it. In 1994, Oregon State schedule Wyoming on September 10th, Fresno State on September 17th, and Pacific on November 5th, and the Pac-10 scheduled around it. In 1993, Oregon State scheduled Pacific on October 9th. The Pac-10 scheduled around it. Utah was September 26th back in 1992. Before 1991, it was reverse. Teams scheduled conference games, as well as nonconference games and made everything work out on their own. If the other conferences believe that it is impossible, they will block teams from scheduling nonconference teams at certain times. Otherwise, though, the conferences are required to schedule around nonconference schedules. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 3, 2023 22:39:07 GMT -8
You would almost literally need to get permission from the conferences they are joining to allow getting their conference schedules messed with. The 8 holes you are trying to fill are in weeks 4-12. Also, a home and home series is 2 years unless you play twice in a season. In theory everyone cooperates to give poor little OSU and WSU a full schedule, but I don't think it'll fly. Same deal with MWC schools, it'd be obvious you're doing this to poach a portion of the conference later, are they gonna cooperate? Conferences are contractually required to fill in games around the nonconference games. Oregon State scheduled San Diego State for September 21st in 2013. The Pac-12 scheduled a conference game against Utah on the 14th. Oregon State schedule Brigham Young on October 13th in 2012. The Pac-12 scheduled three conference games in the weekends leading up to the trip to Provo. 2011 was almost the same with a home game against BYU on the Ides of October. Once again, three conference games in the weekends leading up tot he trip to Provo. Utah was October 2nd back in 2008. Pac-10 scheduled around it. Utah State was October 3rd back in 1998. Pac-10 scheduled around it. In 1997, Oregon State scheduled San Jose State on October 4th and Utah State on October 11th. Pac-10 scheduled around it. In 1996, Oregon State scheduled a trip to Baylor on September 21st and a home game against Northern Illinois on November 16th. Pac-10 scheduled around it. In 1994, Oregon State schedule Wyoming on September 10th, Fresno State on September 17th, and Pacific on November 5th, and the Pac-10 scheduled around it. In 1993, Oregon State scheduled Pacific on October 9th. The Pac-10 scheduled around it. Utah was September 26th back in 1992. Before 1991, it was reverse. Teams scheduled conference games, as well as nonconference games and made everything work out on their own. If the other conferences believe that it is impossible, they will block teams from scheduling nonconference teams at certain times. Otherwise, though, the conferences are required to schedule around nonconference schedules. A lot of the teams already have OOC games fully scheduled. Look to have to buy off their opponents, look for those games to be road games. I'd think there'd be plenty of resistance when we start asking the BIG10 and BIG12 to work around our scheduling of multiple of their teams. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 3, 2023 22:56:21 GMT -8
Could the departing pac 12 schools be guilted into scheduling home and home series with us for a year or two? Maybe not a full schedule worth, but to help fill the holes. It would seem the least they could do for leaving us high and dry. You would almost literally need to get permission from the conferences they are joining to allow getting their conference schedules messed with. The 8 holes you are trying to fill are in weeks 4-12. Also, a home and home series is 2 years unless you play twice in a season. In theory everyone cooperates to give poor little OSU and WSU a full schedule, but I don't think it'll fly. Same deal with MWC schools, it'd be obvious you're doing this to poach a portion of the conference later, are they gonna cooperate? To highlight this further, BYU's 2022 schedule: September 29 Utah State The Mountain West scheduled Utah State's conference schedule to start on September 24th, hosting UNLV. October 15 Arkansas Arkansas' nonconference schedule was: September 3 Cincinnati September 17 Missouri State
October 15 @ BYU
November 5 Liberty
The SEC scheduled a bye on October 22nd and filled in all of the other weekends.
October 28 East Carolina
The American Athletic Conference started East Carolina playing conference games a week early.
November 5 @ Boise
Boise's nonconference schedule was:
September 3 @ Oregon State
September 17 UT Martin
September 23 @ UTEP
November 5 BYU
The Mountain West scheduled Boise a bye on October 15th and scheduled all other games in.
November 26 @ Stanford
The Pac-12 always had trouble with California, Stanford, UCLA, and USC at the end of November, because of Notre Dame's games with Stanford and USC. Stanford decided to get out in front of it in 2022, scheduling BYU, which left California to play UCLA. Both California and Stanford and UCLA and USC played their rivalry games the weekend before in 2022. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 4, 2023 0:00:18 GMT -8
I realize plenty of schools have an OOC game later in the season, I'm pretty sure we've done it in yhe past as well over the years, but this is different.
It's not just us, it's WSU as well. It's not just a game, it's a bunch of them.
For OSU and WSU to essentially play a combined 22 OOC games next year, 6 of which are already scheduled, is really asking other conferences to muck with not just a game, or a couple of games, but likely multiple games to help out 2 non-conference teams.
I'll assume the MWC and AAC aren't stupid, and wouldn't play along because it'd be obvious we're doing this to poach their teams with reduced or no buyouts.
At that point we'd be asking The 3 conferences the Pac teams bolted to alter their schedules for up to a combined 16 games just to be nice to OSU and WSU. That's a lot of games, even if it's absorbed by 3 different conferences
There's likely going to be resistance if we think we're going to rely on scheduling former conference members to fill our schedules the next two years. I think it's very impractical to think it'll be easy. And as others have pointed out, that's just football. The sports with more games will be a nightmare.
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Post by ag87 on Sept 4, 2023 1:04:05 GMT -8
I don't think it's the end of the world if our non-football teams play in the west coast conference for two years.
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Post by gnawitall on Sept 4, 2023 4:17:36 GMT -8
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Post by speakthetruth on Sept 4, 2023 5:34:02 GMT -8
For recruiting and retention of players its bad enough We are being dragged down to mwc status but if you want to play random teams just to play and not play for a league championship then say goodbye to most of the team. They want to play for something.
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Post by bvrbred on Sept 4, 2023 8:43:48 GMT -8
So they're going to stick around to play for the MWC championship? The team we just went through in what looked to me like very routine, workmanlike, fashion yesterday finished second in their division in the MWC last year. And how about that 20,000 seat, one sided stadium?
The two best teams in the MWC we beat last year, and that was before we really got it going. One of those teams we beat quite routinely, and that team just got slaughtered by UW. Don't believe winning the MWC is going to thrill too many kids.
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Post by jrbeavo on Sept 4, 2023 8:58:38 GMT -8
So they're going to stick around to play for the MWC championship? The team we just went through in what looked to me like very routine, workmanlike, fashion yesterday finished second in their division in the MWC last year. And how about that 20,000 seat, one sided stadium? The two best teams in the MWC we beat last year, and that was before we really got it going. One of those teams we beat quite routinely, and that team just got slaughtered by UW. Don't believe winning the MWC is going to thrill too many kids. This is exactly the point. With the exception of Wyoming (which says just as much about Perdue), the MW teams got manhandled yesterday and that is a glimpse into our future. It is likely inevitable, but the world doesn't exist in a vacuum. We will regress to the mean if we end up at that level, and we will just have to accept that our days of dreaming big will be gone. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 4, 2023 9:13:56 GMT -8
So they're going to stick around to play for the MWC championship? The team we just went through in what looked to me like very routine, workmanlike, fashion yesterday finished second in their division in the MWC last year. And how about that 20,000 seat, one sided stadium? The two best teams in the MWC we beat last year, and that was before we really got it going. One of those teams we beat quite routinely, and that team just got slaughtered by UW. Don't believe winning the MWC is going to thrill too many kids. This is exactly the point. With the exception of Wyoming (which says just as much about Perdue), the MW teams got manhandled yesterday and that is a glimpse into our future. It is likely inevitable, but the world doesn't exist in a vacuum. We will regress to the mean if we end up at that level, and we will just have to accept that our days of dreaming big will be gone. Wyoming beat coaches’ poll preseason ranked Texas Tech. Perdue, beaten by Fresno, reached the Big 10 Championship game last year, they are in a weaker division though. Spealthetruth has a point. If ‘moving down’ to a lower league is bad, moving into purgatory with no championship to play for is likely worse. |
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