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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Sept 2, 2023 12:59:15 GMT -8
I mean who wouldn't welcome the chance to play the Akron Zips! We did. Oct 10, 1987. Won 42-26. IIRC that was a killer Vilhelm passing game that day |
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 2, 2023 13:21:56 GMT -8
We did. Oct 10, 1987. Won 42-26. IIRC that was a killer Vilhelm passing game that day Vilhelm? Super German Wilhelm. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 2, 2023 13:52:25 GMT -8
We did. Oct 10, 1987. Won 42-26. IIRC that was a killer Vilhelm passing game that day Wilhelm was 27/44 for 461 yards and five touchdowns. He also ran for an additional 19 yards, 480 total yards. Records for yards and touchdowns and total yards. Wilhelm previously held the yards record and also the second-most, and third-most yards records, as well. In fact, Wilhelm held six of the seven highest passing yardage games and would tack on two more top nine efforts over the next two weekends to finish October of 1987 with eight of the nine best passing efforts in Oregon State history. The total yardage record was previously held by Terry Baker. Wilhelm would hold all three records, until Smitty broke the passing records in the 1998 game at Husky Stadium. Derek Anderson (UNLV), Lyle Moevao (Oregon, which shouldn't count), and Sean Mannion (2013 Utah) would tie the touchdown record before Sean Mannion finally broke the touchdown record against Colorado in 2013. The total yardage record would stand until Mannion broke it in the trip to Pullman in 2013. Robb Thomas caught nine passes for 230 yards and four touchdowns, which set the single game receiving yardage record and set the single game touchdown record against 1-A competition. Mike Hass would break Thomas' yardage record in Boise. But Thomas' four touchdowns against 1-A/FBS opponents still stands. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Sept 2, 2023 14:07:46 GMT -8
You bring all mwc teams in with say a 2 year agreement. One of the new bylaws says simple majority that teams can be dropped. So in the 26-27 year some mwc teams are let go and you bring in a few from another league say the aac. I'm thinking similarly. Offer 'em all, guarantee them 2 years. Airforce may choose to take it and figure out a way to go independent in a couple years if the conference mandates a 9 game league schedule. Shoot for 18 teams as soon as possible, which means possibly 4-5 cherry picked additions from the AAC or elsewhere pretty much right away. 16-18 teams, of which 5-6 at least perform pretty well, puts the conference relatively in line with the P5 norm. Add to that having the west of the Mississippi regionality of the conference and there's a shot at a guaranteed playoff spot. BTW, the Playoff committee apparently met a couple days back, and the rumored result of the meeting was still sitting at the 6 and 6 format until further notice. Don't know if this means 5 P5 conference schools plus the top ranked G5 team or 4 P4 schools plus the 2 top ranked G5 schools or some other combo. I haven't seen confirmation of this (it was a blurb on The Monty Show) though. He was speculating that to get more guaranteed spots the P4 schools might have to guarantee they play 9 conference games or such to eliminate the favorable scheduling some schools (SEC for example) seem to have.. all conferences should have the risk of "eating their own". It would be nice if there's still a reasonable path to the playoffs. I don't necessarily think we should kick anyone to the curb after 2 years, but if a couple former PAC 12 members want back in, maybe they can "buy" their spots back in, there maybe a team or two semi-interested. Kinda tricky. A 20 team conference could still potentially be doable if 18 works. I have followed your ideas in the various threads and agree with most of it. I had a thought - we just had 10 teams commit leaving, but really are not gone until next year at this time. Why can't we go ahead and rebuild the PAC, lock teams in with a contract, that doesn't kick in until the '25-'26 season, or '26-'27 season, when the current MWC expires? We seem to have the revenue/ income to take care of us in the meantime, as the 10 teams leaving have forfeited their share, and their voting rights. Take the best of the MWC, AAC, etc. - add in some others, and then we do not have to pay (or them) a buyout fee?
Even if we have a sparse schedule next year, and maybe the year after, more like an independent school, the following year would be a full schedule of games in the new (and improved  ) PAC-12? Actually, given the recent history, waiting for the current MWC TV contract to expire before getting this done, we run the risk of FOX/ ESPN, etc re-upping their contract and making it more lucrative, just to keep the MWC intact, and to stiff arm Apple, if they are part of our plan. Instead of buying teams out of their current contracts, why not do the deal, give some certainty, and just make it a time delayed deal? Thoughts? |
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Post by clydebeav on Sept 2, 2023 14:23:35 GMT -8
We can’t wait 2 years to be in a conference. As much concern as there is in losing recruits by playing in the MWC, I think this would be much much worse for recruiting.
A decision needs to be made in the next couple of weeks IMO. Here are the options that seems to be actually on the table.
1. See if you have the assets to rebuild the Pac with teams of your choosing (seems to be what they are currently investigating).
2. Reverse merger with MW and call it Pac whatever.
3. Just merge the Pac entity with the MW if that keeps the possibility of retaining at least some of the conference assets.
4. Join the Mountain West.
That’s the order of priority I’d put them in.
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 2, 2023 14:25:17 GMT -8
We can’t wait 2 years to be in a conference. As much concern as there is in losing recruits by playing in the MWC, I think this would be much much worse for recruiting. A decision needs to be made in the next couple of weeks IMO. Here are the options that seems to be actually on the table. 1. See if you have the assets to rebuild the Pac with teams of your choosing (seems to be what they are currently investigating). 2. Reverse merger with MW and call it Pac whatever. 3. Just merge the Pac entity with the MW if that keeps the possibility of retaining at least some of the the conference assets. 4. Join the Mountain West. That’s the order of priority I’d put them in. We’d put ourselves into purgatory if we went independent for two years. It’s the worst option. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 2, 2023 14:28:07 GMT -8
IIRC that was a killer Vilhelm passing game that day Wilhelm was 27/44 for 461 yards and five touchdowns. He also ran for an additional 19 yards, 480 total yards. Records for yards and touchdowns and total yards. Wilhelm previously held the yards record and also the second-most, and third-most yards records, as well. In fact, Wilhelm held six of the seven highest passing yardage games and would tack on two more top nine efforts over the next two weekends to finish October of 1987 with eight of the nine best passing efforts in Oregon State history. The total yardage record was previously held by Terry Baker. Wilhelm would hold all three records, until Smitty broke the passing records in the 1998 game at Husky Stadium. Derek Anderson (UNLV), Lyle Moevao (Oregon, which shouldn't count), and Sean Mannion (2013 Utah) would tie the touchdown record before Sean Mannion finally broke the touchdown record against Colorado in 2013. The total yardage record would stand until Mannion broke it in the trip to Pullman in 2013. Robb Thomas caught nine passes for 230 yards and four touchdowns, which set the single game receiving yardage record and set the single game touchdown record against 1-A competition. Mike Hass would break Thomas' yardage record in Boise. But Thomas' four touchdowns against 1-A/FBS opponents still stands. Boise State was in the WAC and in FBS when Hass set the school record. |
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Post by Dave86 on Sept 2, 2023 14:32:25 GMT -8
MWC Commish at today's Washington St - Colorado St game and tomorrow's Oregon St - SJSU game.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 2, 2023 14:45:25 GMT -8
That just got us 3 or 4 out of 9. WSU would be an opponent , so there’s another. I’m just saying it’s going to be progressively harder to get games scheduled that aren’t FCS games (I mentioned that a few days back). How many FCS games are acceptable, I could see needing 3-4 just to get a full schedule. To make the uo game happen we’d have to buy out one of their OOC opponents or get the Big 10 to give them permission to be the only team in the conference that plays an 8 game league schedule - just for us. We may even have to pay a premium to get them to come to Reser if they have to drop a home game, that’d be ugly. I’m all for being creative. I don’t see being all that welcomed by any MWC team that isn’t basically guaranteed a spot in the future conference, and the ones that are may be put at some risk of GOR violations or at least be in the position of alienating some relationships. We’d also need to cobble together 9 games during weeks 4-12, each new game being progressively more difficult to schedule. Best case scenario I think Barnes would still basically need to pull 3-4 games out of his hat, it won’t be easy, especially in 2024. We would like to think we’re in the driver’s seat to our own future if going independent, but that road would have a LOT of hazards to navigate. It ain’t likely to be easy. Ouch! You are exactly right: we get to have the Cougars on our schedule in such a scenario. In fact, is there any reason we can't play WSU twice in the same season? LOL. In such a case, we would have 6 games for the '24 & '25 seasons already: the current 3 OOC games, Ducks, & 2X Cougars. We do have 10 former PAC-12 schools mixing up their schedules as they move to the B1G and Big-12 conferences. So, those schools & conferences may need some scheduling help for a year or two. Unless teams that are leaving have already scheduled OOC games against their future conference partners, there's really no change there. The Big 12 and Big 10 just needs to decide how many league games they are playing and schedule them. Assuming theu schedule 9 league games, there's no openings to play us. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Sept 2, 2023 15:30:09 GMT -8
We can’t wait 2 years to be in a conference. As much concern as there is in losing recruits by playing in the MWC, I think this would be much much worse for recruiting. A decision needs to be made in the next couple of weeks IMO. Here are the options that seems to be actually on the table. 1. See if you have the assets to rebuild the Pac with teams of your choosing (seems to be what they are currently investigating). 2. Reverse merger with MW and call it Pac whatever. 3. Just merge the Pac entity with the MW if that keeps the possibility of retaining at least some of the the conference assets. 4. Join the Mountain West. That’s the order of priority I’d put them in. We’d put ourselves into purgatory if we went independent for two years. It’s the worst option. How is it being in purgatory if you sign up 10-14 new schools, but it is a delayed entry? Yes, the Pac2 would exist in practicality for one or two seasons, and scheduling would have to be creative, but the new teams will have already signed a contract - it is just delayed entry. Kinda like the 10 current Pac traitors that are still playing in the conference this year, leaving next year. |
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Post by p8nted on Sept 2, 2023 15:34:27 GMT -8
We’d put ourselves into purgatory if we went independent for two years. It’s the worst option. How is it being in purgatory if you sign up 10-14 new schools, but it is a delayed entry? Yes, the Pac2 would exist in practicality for one or two seasons, and scheduling would have to be creative, but the new teams will have already signed a contract - it is just delayed entry. Kinda like the 10 current Pac traitors that are still playing in the conference this year, leaving next year. Any MWC school on the list would owe at least $17 million in exit fee |
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Post by NativeBeav on Sept 2, 2023 15:37:45 GMT -8
How is it being in purgatory if you sign up 10-14 new schools, but it is a delayed entry? Yes, the Pac2 would exist in practicality for one or two seasons, and scheduling would have to be creative, but the new teams will have already signed a contract - it is just delayed entry. Kinda like the 10 current Pac traitors that are still playing in the conference this year, leaving next year. Any MWC school on the list would owe at least $17 million in exit fee I am not a lawyer - so, they couldn't agree to terms in principle and sign today with a delayed entry, then stay in the MWC until the current TV contract is up? |
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Post by p8nted on Sept 2, 2023 15:52:05 GMT -8
Any MWC school on the list would owe at least $17 million in exit fee I am not a lawyer - so, they couldn't agree to terms in principle and sign today with a delayed entry, then stay in the MWC until the current TV contract is up? The exit fees are in the conference bylaws and have nothing to do with a TV deal. When the TV deal is up, there are still exit fees. They are only linked in that the amount the exit fees are set at is calculated off conference payouts to schools. Schools would have to change the exit fee bylaws knowing they are already leaving. That is a huge legal risk. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 2, 2023 15:59:04 GMT -8
I am not a lawyer - so, they couldn't agree to terms in principle and sign today with a delayed entry, then stay in the MWC until the current TV contract is up? The exit fees are in the conference bylaws and have nothing to do with a TV deal. When the TV deal is up, there are still exit fees. They are only linked in that the amount the exit fees are set at is calculated off conference payouts to schools. Schools would have to change the exit fee bylaws knowing they are already leaving. That is a huge legal risk. The exit fees are tied to the media deal. If there is no media deal, there are no exit fees. That is why everyone left the Pac-12 this year, because the media deal was up. You don't get the money that you already earned but no exit fees. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Sept 2, 2023 16:06:32 GMT -8
I will probably regret saying this since we haven't played yet. But based on today's results the MWc is not playing good football. It's likely that whatever league we end up being in the other 4 leagues are going to deny our chance of being in the playoffs.
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) PAC-12? Actually, given the recent history, waiting for the current MWC TV contract to expire before getting this done, we run the risk of FOX/ ESPN, etc re-upping their contract and making it more lucrative, just to keep the MWC intact, and to stiff arm Apple, if they are part of our plan. Instead of buying teams out of their current contracts, why not do the deal, give some certainty, and just make it a time delayed deal? Thoughts?
