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Post by ostate on Sept 2, 2023 9:51:19 GMT -8
Stating the obvious here, but no way you get 9 programs in the MWC voting to dissolve the conference so Pac 2 can absorb only the top 5 or 6 teams. Lol... but, that's what he's heard! I mean come on, I'm sure media/ conference insider tells him the scoop! Totally - who knows what is going to happen... |
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Post by angrybeaver67 on Sept 2, 2023 10:17:40 GMT -8
I think the Stay the Pac-2 / Semi-Independent for 2 years, then try and pick off other teams idea is fraught with risks… High potential in a disaster where we are without a conference or a schedule, and truly independent after the 2 years.
So this is hoping against all hopes that we can get the top 4-6 MWC teams to join us and have a few former Pac-12 schools see the error in their decision and beg to come back. Probably some (most?) will have some kind of buyer remorse with the long distance travel, but coming back could be a financial penalty for them (media plus leaving new conference penalties???).
Sure, if it all worked it would end up with the best possible conference (sports quality on par with the Big-12). But it’s like throwing all your chips in and going all or nothing. Way too high of risk we end up with nothing.
Facing these odds, since a Big-12 invite appears to be a no-go, I think trying to bring ALL of the MWC into the PAC-X is the best plan… And hopefully we can do a somewhat better media deal.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 2, 2023 10:23:16 GMT -8
You bring all mwc teams in with say a 2 year agreement. One of the new bylaws says simple majority that teams can be dropped. So in the 26-27 year some mwc teams are let go and you bring in a few from another league say the aac. I'm thinking similarly. Offer 'em all, guarantee them 2 years. Airforce may choose to take it and figure out a way to go independent in a couple years if the conference mandates a 9 game league schedule. Shoot for 18 teams as soon as possible, which means possibly 4-5 cherry picked additions from the AAC or elsewhere pretty much right away. 16-18 teams, of which 5-6 at least perform pretty well, puts the conference relatively in line with the P5 norm. Add to that having the west of the Mississippi regionality of the conference and there's a shot at a guaranteed playoff spot. BTW, the Playoff committee apparently met a couple days back, and the rumored result of the meeting was still sitting at the 6 and 6 format until further notice. Don't know if this means 5 P5 conference schools plus the top ranked G5 team or 4 P4 schools plus the 2 top ranked G5 schools or some other combo. I haven't seen confirmation of this (it was a blurb on The Monty Show) though. He was speculating that to get more guaranteed spots the P4 schools might have to guarantee they play 9 conference games or such to eliminate the favorable scheduling some schools (SEC for example) seem to have.. all conferences should have the risk of "eating their own". It would be nice if there's still a reasonable path to the playoffs. I don't necessarily think we should kick anyone to the curb after 2 years, but if a couple former PAC 12 members want back in, maybe they can "buy" their spots back in, there maybe a team or two semi-interested. Kinda tricky. A 20 team conference could still potentially be doable if 18 works. |
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Post by angrybeaver67 on Sept 2, 2023 10:40:04 GMT -8
You bring all mwc teams in with say a 2 year agreement. One of the new bylaws says simple majority that teams can be dropped. So in the 26-27 year some mwc teams are let go and you bring in a few from another league say the aac. I'm thinking similarly. Offer 'em all, guarantee them 2 years. I just don’t think this will fly… No (edit - MWC) schools will want to leave a safe nest and put themselves in a situation where they have a third of a chance to be dropped from the conference - no home - in a couple years. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 2, 2023 10:42:46 GMT -8
I'm thinking similarly. Offer 'em all, guarantee them 2 years. I just don’t think this will fly… No MAC schools will want to leave a safe nest and put themselves in a situation where they have a third of a chance to be dropped from the conference - no home - in a couple years. Good thing we’re not talking about the MAC then. |
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Post by angrybeaver67 on Sept 2, 2023 10:44:05 GMT -8
Oops - let me try and edit that! 😁
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Post by clydebeav on Sept 2, 2023 11:03:48 GMT -8
You bring all mwc teams in with say a 2 year agreement. One of the new bylaws says simple majority that teams can be dropped. So in the 26-27 year some mwc teams are let go and you bring in a few from another league say the aac. I don’t like the idea of giving MWC teams the opportunity to kick us out of our own conference. 😂 |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 2, 2023 11:39:05 GMT -8
You bring all mwc teams in with say a 2 year agreement. One of the new bylaws says simple majority that teams can be dropped. So in the 26-27 year some mwc teams are let go and you bring in a few from another league say the aac. I don’t like the idea of giving MWC teams the opportunity to kick us out of our own conference. 😂 That is a big deal, and majority vote would be a bad idea. Maybe setting up manageable standards in improving programs, not win/loss colume issues but in academics and program investment, put any deadbeats in jeopardy so there's incentive to improve. I saw an article where the columnist had spoken to an "industry insider" who was advocating that OSU & WSU should keep the conference alive. That person's take was, if you own the brand/name, "you own the history". It would be a shame to invite in a bunch of teams that could vote you out and take that history. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 2, 2023 11:41:59 GMT -8
I don’t like the idea of giving MWC teams the opportunity to kick us out of our own conference. 😂 That is a big deal, and majority vote would be a bad idea. Maybe setting up manageabe standards in improving programs, not win/loss colume issues but in academics and program investment, put deadbeats in jeopardy so there's incentive to improve. I saw an article where the columnist had spoke to an "industry insider" who was advocatinf OSU & WSU keep the conference alive. That person's take was, if you own the brand/name, "you own the history". It would be a shame to invite in a bunch of teams that could vote you out. You’re not adding any teams with that sort of clause in the bylaws. Just make the media contract only 2-3 years. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 2, 2023 11:48:19 GMT -8
That is a big deal, and majority vote would be a bad idea. Maybe setting up manageabe standards in improving programs, not win/loss colume issues but in academics and program investment, put deadbeats in jeopardy so there's incentive to improve. I saw an article where the columnist had spoke to an "industry insider" who was advocatinf OSU & WSU keep the conference alive. That person's take was, if you own the brand/name, "you own the history". It would be a shame to invite in a bunch of teams that could vote you out. You’re not adding any teams with that sort of clause in the bylaws. Just make the media contract only 2-3 years. 3 years with a conference option to extend wouldn't be a horrible idea. Under the previous Apple deal, if you sold tons of subscriptions in those years it would be of benefit of both parties to extend. Apple reportedly gave a 2-3 year opt out option before, they might again. |
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Sept 2, 2023 11:53:36 GMT -8
I just don’t think this will fly… No MAC schools will want to leave a safe nest and put themselves in a situation where they have a third of a chance to be dropped from the conference - no home - in a couple years. Good thing we’re not talking about the MAC then. I mean who wouldn't welcome the chance to play the Akron Zips! |
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Post by ostate on Sept 2, 2023 12:02:34 GMT -8
I make a motion that we offer our services to the P2 to resolve this matter post haste... any second  |
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Post by speakthetruth on Sept 2, 2023 12:07:58 GMT -8
Good thing we’re not talking about the MAC then. I mean who wouldn't welcome the chance to play the Akron Zips! We did. Oct 10, 1987. Won 42-26. |
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Post by Dave86 on Sept 2, 2023 12:48:47 GMT -8
Drunkandstoopidbeav - I've been snooping this board for some time and generally I agree with your posts. However, this one I don't agree with. I'm not ready to concede that we can't find football opponents for the 2024 & 2025 seasons until we actually try to do that and fail. Here's where I think we can find some games: * Work with the very Mountain West schools we plan to invite into the PAC-X to see if we can't get them to adjust their schedules to add us. Suppose Boise State drops North Texas (non-MWC) to play us, maybe we can play North Texas for Boise State, giving us 2 games (BSU & NT)? * Keep the Civil War game with the Ducks * Play more than one 1AA team at Reser (1AA = Portland State, UC Davis, Sac State, Eastern WA, etc.) per season. I know we can count only one 1 win over a 1AA school for bowl eligibility, but we're in a mess right now, so we'll play more than one 1AA team per season in 2024 & 2025 to get to a 12 game schedule. Let's get creative and try to find a way to get by for a couple of years. I really appreciate Oregon State's leadership for trying to somehow rebuild the PAC-12. That just got us 3 or 4 out of 9. WSU would be an opponent , so there’s another. I’m just saying it’s going to be progressively harder to get games scheduled that aren’t FCS games (I mentioned that a few days back). How many FCS games are acceptable, I could see needing 3-4 just to get a full schedule. To make the uo game happen we’d have to buy out one of their OOC opponents or get the Big 10 to give them permission to be the only team in the conference that plays an 8 game league schedule - just for us. We may even have to pay a premium to get them to come to Reser if they have to drop a home game, that’d be ugly. I’m all for being creative. I don’t see being all that welcomed by any MWC team that isn’t basically guaranteed a spot in the future conference, and the ones that are may be put at some risk of GOR violations or at least be in the position of alienating some relationships. We’d also need to cobble together 9 games during weeks 4-12, each new game being progressively more difficult to schedule. Best case scenario I think Barnes would still basically need to pull 3-4 games out of his hat, it won’t be easy, especially in 2024. We would like to think we’re in the driver’s seat to our own future if going independent, but that road would have a LOT of hazards to navigate. It ain’t likely to be easy. Ouch! You are exactly right: we get to have the Cougars on our schedule in such a scenario. In fact, is there any reason we can't play WSU twice in the same season? LOL. In such a case, we would have 6 games for the '24 & '25 seasons already: the current 3 OOC games, Ducks, & 2X Cougars. We do have 10 former PAC-12 schools mixing up their schedules as they move to the B1G and Big-12 conferences. So, those schools & conferences may need some scheduling help for a year or two. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 2, 2023 12:59:09 GMT -8
I mean who wouldn't welcome the chance to play the Akron Zips! We did. Oct 10, 1987. Won 42-26. Played them in basketball, too, in 2013 in Honolulu, lost 83-71. Craig Robinson's last year. |
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