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Post by beavaristotle on Sept 1, 2023 12:58:37 GMT -8
Logan is god’s country, beautiful area I thought it was Joseph’s country. limited partnership |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 1, 2023 12:59:59 GMT -8
It's true the Pac name carries more weight than the MW......but, and this is a huge BUT, all the teams that made the Pac name carry weight are gone. So yea, keep the name, but it's still the MW in substance. I'm coming to terms that we are essentially being relegated to the MW......we can spin it any way we like.....geography, land grant, common sense, etc.....bottom line is its a net negative for our AD......I'm gonna stew on that some more.....I'll let my wife talk about the cool road trips we may have in the future.. 😁 No the Pac name does not carry any weight anymore because there is not much left in it. I can call my Ford Ranger truck a Mercedes too. Name means crap at this point. Now if we can get Notre Dame to join with their FB history. There are very few, if any, originals remaining in the Spinners, the Four Tops, the Glenn Miller Orchestra, etc. etc. etc., yet the current rendition of those bands are still playing at auditoriums and casinos nationwide and making a very good living. The pac-13 Conference would still carry weight and be instantly recognizable to sports fans throughout the country. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 1, 2023 13:02:40 GMT -8
Styx
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 1, 2023 13:08:12 GMT -8
According to the bylaws which have been posted, once they notify the league they are leaving, they lose their voting rights. They are still members, but the remaining schools are the one's that have voting rights. Can we vote to kick them out now then? Nope. Too late this year. |
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Post by 93beav on Sept 1, 2023 13:32:22 GMT -8
According to the bylaws which have been posted, once they notify the league they are leaving, they lose their voting rights. They are still members, but the remaining schools are the one's that have voting rights. Can we vote to kick them out now then? You probably could. But why when you could get any residuals from their playoff appearances and they have to help pay the Comcast bill? |
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Post by 93beav on Sept 1, 2023 13:36:09 GMT -8
Then don't read it? It's a message board, it passes the time while we wait to see more clarity. No? No... it's the posts that state this is what will happen. And, I'll read what I want and call out BS anytime is I see it. If constant BS is your preferred method if passing time so be it. But, don't think others have to believe or act as you do. Also effing nonsense and beyond tiresome. I don't believe I said others have to believe and act as I do. I mean, it's their loss, but whatever. 😁 I think sometimes brainstorming and speculation about possibilities is a very creative endeavor. It definitely can get tiring sometimes listening to all the approaches, but I appreciate the insight some people bring when thinking about things. If you just want a pure this is what happened approach, then just wait for the news. |
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Post by irimi on Sept 1, 2023 13:39:39 GMT -8
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 1, 2023 14:24:12 GMT -8
Can we vote to kick them out now then? You probably could. But why when you could get any residuals from their playoff appearances and they have to help pay the Comcast bill? Great point! Every school this year is paying the Comcast bill this year. Why would we want to pay a bigger share of that debt? |
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Post by bigorangebeaver on Sept 1, 2023 17:56:49 GMT -8
It’s time to press Apple HARD That seems pretty important. They really want to have an entree into the mix--And ESPN/FOX don't want them in, which makes it that much more enticing. I have read dozens of posts/articles here, and this is what I think will happen: Beavs and Cougs join the Mountain West. Apple gets the contract. And we all move forward, even if we don't like it. But what do I know?  |
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Post by avidbeaver on Sept 1, 2023 18:05:03 GMT -8
It’s time to press Apple HARD That seems pretty important. They really want to have an entree into the mix--And ESPN/FOX don't want them in, which makes it that much more enticing. I have read dozens of posts/articles here, and this is what I think will happen: Beavs and Cougs join the Mountain West. Apple gets the contract. And we all move forward, even if we don't like it. But what do I know? If they just join the MWC they will leave a lot of money I need on the table. They have to rebuild the Pac. There is two ways of doing it. A couple(4) of AAC teams then add MWC teams in a few years. Also they can bring in all of the MWC. I would go for the former rather than the latter. I would be against just joining the MWC. |
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Post by bigorangebeaver on Sept 1, 2023 18:08:48 GMT -8
That seems pretty important. They really want to have an entree into the mix--And ESPN/FOX don't want them in, which makes it that much more enticing. I have read dozens of posts/articles here, and this is what I think will happen: Beavs and Cougs join the Mountain West. Apple gets the contract. And we all move forward, even if we don't like it. But what do I know? If they just join the MWC they qill leave a lot of money I need on the table. They have to rebuild the Pac. There is two ways of doing it. A couple(4) of AAC teams then add MWC teams in a few years. Also they can bring in all of the MWC. I would go for the former rather than the latter. I would be against just joining the MWC. Hence the "But what do I know?" Like a lot of other stuff in life, it won't really matter at all what we think. What happens, happens. |
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Post by sparty on Sept 1, 2023 18:39:08 GMT -8
No the Pac name does not carry any weight anymore because there is not much left in it. I can call my Ford Ranger truck a Mercedes too. Name means crap at this point. Now if we can get Notre Dame to join with their FB history. There are very few, if any, originals remaining in the Spinners, the Four Tops, the Glenn Miller Orchestra, etc. etc. etc., yet the current rendition of those bands are still playing at auditoriums and casinos nationwide and making a very good living. The pac-13 Conference would still carry weight and be instantly recognizable to sports fans throughout the country. It might matter to Grandpa and Grandma. For the younger fans, likely not so much.
Detroit use to be a great city too. Now udder the name Detroit.
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Post by sparty on Sept 1, 2023 18:43:20 GMT -8
Because they aren't voting members. The ONLY two voting members left, after Calford leave, are OSU/WSU. WE can change the bylaws however we want. We can declare none of them can become conference champion, if we wanted to be a complete arse about it. Certainly MWC isn't the apple of Apple's eye, but wth does Apple care if they a) get a toehold in the market to show other conferences/teams what they can do and B) they make profit. They can lower the guaranteed amount to $5 million a school. Doesn't mean we have to or will take it. You don't think we have leverage? We have cash. MWC has an expiring media deal in 1 year. There are a flotilla of AAC schools sitting there not sure what to do now as they keep getting pillaged. There are options. They won't be nearly as good as the Big12/B1G taking us, but there are options. That is not true. The other 10 schools are still voting members until 8/1/24. Smails you are exactly right on this, 100%. Don't know how this rumor keeps getting repeated. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 1, 2023 18:55:48 GMT -8
That is not true. The other 10 schools are still voting members until 8/1/24. Smails you are exactly right on this, 100%. Don't know how this rumor keeps getting repeated. Perhaps we read this differently... "3. Withdrawal. No member shall deliver a notice of withdrawal to the Conference in the period beginning on July 24, 2011, and ending on August 1, 2024; provided, that if any member does deliver a notice of withdrawal prior to August 1, 2024, in violation of this chapter, the Conference shall be entitled to an injunction and other equitable relief to prevent such breach, and if a court of competent jurisdiction shall deny the Conference such injunctive relief, the Conference shall be entitled to retain all the media and sponsorship rights in the multi-player video distribution (MPVD) and telecommunications/wireless categories of the member purporting to withdraw through August 1, 2024, even if the member is then a member of another conference or an independent school for some or all intercollegiate sports competitions. Additionally, if a member delivers notice of withdrawal in violation of this chapter, the member’s representative to the CEO Group shall automatically cease to be a member of the CEO Group and shall cease to have the right to vote on any matter before the CEO Group." |
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Post by sparty on Sept 1, 2023 19:10:13 GMT -8
Smails you are exactly right on this, 100%. Don't know how this rumor keeps getting repeated. Perhaps we read this differently... "3. Withdrawal. No member shall deliver a notice of withdrawal to the Conference in the period beginning on July 24, 2011, and ending on August 1, 2024; provided, that if any member does deliver a notice of withdrawal prior to August 1, 2024, in violation of this chapter, the Conference shall be entitled to an injunction and other equitable relief to prevent such breach, and if a court of competent jurisdiction shall deny the Conference such injunctive relief, the Conference shall be entitled to retain all the media and sponsorship rights in the multi-player video distribution (MPVD) and telecommunications/wireless categories of the member purporting to withdraw through August 1, 2024, even if the member is then a member of another conference or an independent school for some or all intercollegiate sports competitions. Additionally, if a member delivers notice of withdrawal in violation of this chapter, the member’s representative to the CEO Group shall automatically cease to be a member of the CEO Group and shall cease to have the right to vote on any matter before the CEO Group." Basically what I heard is they have not formally delivered the paper work to withdraw. They will all do it on August 2, 2024 or date it as such. And they are not members of the other conferences until 12:01 am August 2, 2024.
You think they all don't have lawyers involved in all of this?
It's sort of like saying I am leaving for a different job in 2024 but if I leave on Jan 1st, 2024 I will get the extra full bonus for that previous year (2023) after giving a formal notice date of Jan 1st, 2024.
Or in other words:
(I may already know I am leaving in October and interviewed and accepted the new job but I start in January 2024. Maybe my current employer even knows I am leaving but they cannot withhold my full bonus for 2023)
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