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Post by 93beav on Sept 1, 2023 11:00:00 GMT -8
Apple is not stupid, if they make more than the $15 million that they offered. If Apple thinks that they are going to profit on it, $15 million is not too much. And it may the bonus that they have to pay to get the universities to think outside of the big four network box. Plus, you would have to help offset your product's increased travel. You are not buying the product packaged the way that it is currently packaged. You are buying and repackaging what will be an entirely new product. It's like saying that McDonald's or Five Guys or In 'N' Out does not pay a premium to get the best potatoes. And yet they still profit on the deal. You might have had a point if you didn’t mention McDonalds. The PAC 12 would have given Apple some national exposure. A lot more than the Mountain West. I just don’t think they would make the guarantee that high. I think if you could $10 million with escalators, that would be great. Let's compromise and call it 12. Of course, it could be 7 or 10 or 12 or 15 or 30...it all depends upon the number of schools as well. If you go the Apple route it's all about subscriptions. You need schools with large amounts of alumni and hopefully bigger cities so the ceiling is higher (and yes that does work against us). Places like Fresno St might or Tulane might become more attractive in a two-division option because they have a high enough ceiling. Go with the traditional model, which for the MW is CBS-Sports/Fox, and you are just looking for pure viewers. If ESPN hadn't have blown all their remaining cash on getting Calford to travel across country, they could buy a revamped PAC media deal that cuts out CBS and especially Fox from the remaining market. As it is, the best choice which won't happen is an Apple deal where a year from now Apple buys a large share of ESPN in exchange for taking over their streaming side and now suddenly all of the people who were streaming on ESPN are streaming on Apple and the heavily quoted "channel surfers" will be able to see us. |
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Post by sparty on Sept 1, 2023 11:40:31 GMT -8
OK, let's say we go the rebuild route and you are in charge. Pac-2 San Diego State? Boise State? Do we (somehow?) try to grab the better programs from the Mtn West and also supplement that and poach some AAC teams? Can we snag Gonzaga as an affiliate for hoops? Who else would be on your wishlist? Grand Canyon (hoops/baseball) and UTSA feel like emerging schools + growing markets... West OSU WSU Boise St UNLV San Diego St Fresno St East Memphis CSU UTSA Tulane Rice Utah St? UTEP? Tulsa? Ugh. uhh, you don't get it. We don't have the leverage or the cards anymore. We will have to beg the MWC conference to take us. Everyone thinks the last two Broke Pac schools are going the call the shots on the MWC.
Put down the crack pipe.
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Post by sparty on Sept 1, 2023 11:46:57 GMT -8
The Pac also has instant name recognition the MWC could only dream about. Screw ESPN. The future is what we make it.Shoot the messenger if you will, even though the message makes 100% good sense and is probably exactly what we and the Cougs will end up doing. It's true the Pac name carries more weight than the MW......but, and this is a huge BUT, all the teams that made the Pac name carry weight are gone. So yea, keep the name, but it's still the MW in substance. I'm coming to terms that we are essentially being relegated to the MW......we can spin it any way we like.....geography, land grant, common sense, etc.....bottom line is its a net negative for our AD......I'm gonna stew on that some more.....I'll let my wife talk about the cool road trips we may have in the future.. 😁 No the Pac name does not carry any weight anymore because there is not much left in it. I can call my Ford Ranger truck a Mercedes too. Name means crap at this point. Now if we can get Notre Dame to join with their FB history. |
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Post by blove on Sept 1, 2023 11:47:33 GMT -8
Don't want to rain on your parade but do we really think Apple would put forth the effort 2Pac and MWC? I'm not so sure. Yea, they had interest previously but let's be honest not a huge draw but who knows.
As far as the assets, what is going to stop all the members to change the bylaws. From what I read somewhere, we had the majority with the Pac4 now we don't. Can't they just adjust them now? They obviously don't give a s%#t except for themselves.
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Post by sparty on Sept 1, 2023 11:49:13 GMT -8
Don't want to rain on your parade but do we really think Apple would put forth the effort 2Pac and MWC? I'm not so sure. Yea, they had interest previously but let's be honest not a huge draw but who knows. As far as the assets, what is going to stop all the members to change the bylaws. From what I read somewhere, we had the majority with the Pac4 now we don't. Can't they just adjust them now? They obviously don't give a s%#t except for themselves. Exactly...... they are all still members today. Ten against two. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 1, 2023 11:57:04 GMT -8
It's true the Pac name carries more weight than the MW......but, and this is a huge BUT, all the teams that made the Pac name carry weight are gone. So yea, keep the name, but it's still the MW in substance. I'm coming to terms that we are essentially being relegated to the MW......we can spin it any way we like.....geography, land grant, common sense, etc.....bottom line is its a net negative for our AD......I'm gonna stew on that some more.....I'll let my wife talk about the cool road trips we may have in the future.. 😁 No the Pac name does not carry any weight anymore because there is not much left in it. I can call my Ford Ranger truck a Mercedes too. Name means crap at this point. Now if we can get Notre Dame to join with their FB history. Sparty, the PAC name has more "brand" power. The ucks were able to turn last year's loss to the Beavers into a Big10 invite because of brand power. The PAC 12 still exists, will likely have 5-6 of the top ranked football teams in the country. Next year, minus 10 existing teams, as long as it still exists with a dozen or more teams, it'll still have more "brand" power than the MWC. We're not calling a Ford a Mercedes. Mercedes could put out a piece of ##it car and it would still carry more brand power than a Ford. |
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 1, 2023 12:03:25 GMT -8
How about all these posts are meaningless drivel?
Most wanted some clarification, you got it. Now wait to see what happens.
All this general BS of just making stuff up is getting old.
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Post by 93beav on Sept 1, 2023 12:08:04 GMT -8
How about all these posts are meaningless drivel? Most wanted some clarification, you got it. Now wait to see what happens. All this general BS of just making stuff up is getting old. Then don't read it? It's a message board, it passes the time while we wait to see more clarity. No? |
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Post by 93beav on Sept 1, 2023 12:11:15 GMT -8
Don't want to rain on your parade but do we really think Apple would put forth the effort 2Pac and MWC? I'm not so sure. Yea, they had interest previously but let's be honest not a huge draw but who knows. As far as the assets, what is going to stop all the members to change the bylaws. From what I read somewhere, we had the majority with the Pac4 now we don't. Can't they just adjust them now? They obviously don't give a s%#t except for themselves. Exactly...... they are all still members today. Ten against two. Because they aren't voting members. The ONLY two voting members left, after Calford leave, are OSU/WSU. WE can change the bylaws however we want. We can declare none of them can become conference champion, if we wanted to be a complete arse about it. Certainly MWC isn't the apple of Apple's eye, but wth does Apple care if they a) get a toehold in the market to show other conferences/teams what they can do and B) they make profit. They can lower the guaranteed amount to $5 million a school. Doesn't mean we have to or will take it. You don't think we have leverage? We have cash. MWC has an expiring media deal in 1 year. There are a flotilla of AAC schools sitting there not sure what to do now as they keep getting pillaged. There are options. They won't be nearly as good as the Big12/B1G taking us, but there are options. |
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 1, 2023 12:11:31 GMT -8
How about all these posts are meaningless drivel? Most wanted some clarification, you got it. Now wait to see what happens. All this general BS of just making stuff up is getting old. Then don't read it? It's a message board, it passes the time while we wait to see more clarity. No? No... it's the posts that state this is what will happen. And, I'll read what I want and call out BS anytime is I see it. If constant BS is your preferred method if passing time so be it. But, don't think others have to believe or act as you do. Also effing nonsense and beyond tiresome. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 1, 2023 12:38:02 GMT -8
Exactly...... they are all still members today. Ten against two. Because they aren't voting members. The ONLY two voting members left, after Calford leave, are OSU/WSU. WE can change the bylaws however we want. We can declare none of them can become conference champion, if we wanted to be a complete arse about it. Certainly MWC isn't the apple of Apple's eye, but wth does Apple care if they a) get a toehold in the market to show other conferences/teams what they can do and B) they make profit. They can lower the guaranteed amount to $5 million a school. Doesn't mean we have to or will take it. You don't think we have leverage? We have cash. MWC has an expiring media deal in 1 year. There are a flotilla of AAC schools sitting there not sure what to do now as they keep getting pillaged. There are options. They won't be nearly as good as the Big12/B1G taking us, but there are options. That is not true. The other 10 schools are still voting members until 8/1/24. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 1, 2023 12:44:44 GMT -8
Because they aren't voting members. The ONLY two voting members left, after Calford leave, are OSU/WSU. WE can change the bylaws however we want. We can declare none of them can become conference champion, if we wanted to be a complete arse about it. Certainly MWC isn't the apple of Apple's eye, but wth does Apple care if they a) get a toehold in the market to show other conferences/teams what they can do and B) they make profit. They can lower the guaranteed amount to $5 million a school. Doesn't mean we have to or will take it. You don't think we have leverage? We have cash. MWC has an expiring media deal in 1 year. There are a flotilla of AAC schools sitting there not sure what to do now as they keep getting pillaged. There are options. They won't be nearly as good as the Big12/B1G taking us, but there are options. That is not true. The other 10 schools are still voting members until 8/1/24. According to the bylaws, which have been posted/linked somewhere in one or two of these threads, once they notify the league they are leaving, they lose their voting rights. They are still members, but the remaining schools are the one's that have voting rights. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 1, 2023 12:48:05 GMT -8
That is not true. The other 10 schools are still voting members until 8/1/24. According to the bylaws which have been posted, once they notify the league they are leaving, they lose their voting rights. They are still members, but the remaining schools are the one's that have voting rights. Can we vote to kick them out now then? |
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Post by grayman on Sept 1, 2023 12:49:11 GMT -8
Because they aren't voting members. The ONLY two voting members left, after Calford leave, are OSU/WSU. WE can change the bylaws however we want. We can declare none of them can become conference champion, if we wanted to be a complete arse about it. Certainly MWC isn't the apple of Apple's eye, but wth does Apple care if they a) get a toehold in the market to show other conferences/teams what they can do and B) they make profit. They can lower the guaranteed amount to $5 million a school. Doesn't mean we have to or will take it. You don't think we have leverage? We have cash. MWC has an expiring media deal in 1 year. There are a flotilla of AAC schools sitting there not sure what to do now as they keep getting pillaged. There are options. They won't be nearly as good as the Big12/B1G taking us, but there are options. That is not true. The other 10 schools are still voting members until 8/1/24. Which potentially puts a major crimp in the timeline as far as getting something done in the near future (if OSU/WSU are indeed thinking that they are going to use whatever is left to them as leverage). Edit: If the bylaws do state otherwise then it's more of a matter of figuring out what they might get. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 1, 2023 12:56:29 GMT -8
OK, let's say we go the rebuild route and you are in charge. Pac-2 San Diego State? Boise State? Do we (somehow?) try to grab the better programs from the Mtn West and also supplement that and poach some AAC teams? Can we snag Gonzaga as an affiliate for hoops? Who else would be on your wishlist? Grand Canyon (hoops/baseball) and UTSA feel like emerging schools + growing markets... West OSU WSU Boise St UNLV San Diego St Fresno St East Memphis CSU UTSA Tulane Rice Utah St? UTEP? Tulsa? Ugh. uhh, you don't get it. We don't have the leverage or the cards anymore. We will have to beg the MWC conference to take us. Everyone thinks the last two Broke Pac schools are going the call the shots on the MWC.
Put down the crack pipe.
The MWC has made overtures to us, they want us. We are not begging by any means. We and Wazzu, as the remaining members of the Pac-12, will have access to tens of millions of dollars in future income, over the next six years, after 8/1/24, when the defectors officially leave the conference. We have assets, and some leverage. It's ridiculous to say "We will have to beg with MWC conference (isn't the MWC conference" redundant?) to take us." |
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