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Post by aggielarry on Aug 30, 2023 9:24:59 GMT -8
Oh, don’t forget Laramie! You know what they say, “There’s a pretty girl behind every tree in Laramie!” Do they, because I’ll be damned if the sweet gal checking us into our hotel room in Laramie didn’t make me rethink my life choices. Wow. Stunning! For those that missed it, it's a local joke. There are no trees in Laramie. As my dear old Dad used to say, "There's nothing between Laramie and the north pole but a barbed wire fence in Saskatchewan." |
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Post by irimi on Aug 30, 2023 9:36:16 GMT -8
Do they, because I’ll be damned if the sweet gal checking us into our hotel room in Laramie didn’t make me rethink my life choices. Wow. Stunning! For those that missed it, it's a local joke. There are no trees in Laramie. As my dear old Dad used to say, "There's nothing between Laramie and the north pole but a barbed wire fence in Saskatchewan." Well, there was one for sure. Maybe a transplant. Or maybe a long day of driving a minivan of family affected my eyesight. |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 30, 2023 10:55:58 GMT -8
Yes, having Hawaii in your conference counts as a "free" 13th game. But no one took advantage of it this year. San Diego State and San Jose State, though, used the game to move up one game to the zero week and 1get a second bye, though. A lot of teams in the MWC found that having the 13th game just wasn't worth it. Late in the season, they were better off having a bye to get guys recovered from nagging injuries. If you have 13 games, you now need 7 wins to be bowl eligible. Plus... at this point in time why would the MWC agree to any merger leaving out two of their current members? You'd think folks here believe the Pac2/4 have some sort of leverage?! The MWC has a conference and a TV contract that meets their current needs. Would they like to improve it? Hell yes. But, there is no way they will get enough votes to disband/merge if the demand is that Hawaii is left to fend for itself in football, and/or Wyoming is left out in the cold for all sports. Seems pretty ironic fans of OSU would think that is ok!! |
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Post by grayman on Aug 30, 2023 11:29:45 GMT -8
So there are now reports/rumors (not based on Yormark's comments a couple weeks ago) that the Big-12 met and decided to not add more West Coast schools.
If true, unless ESPN steps in or there's some other big change, it looks like the hopes for OSU to join a P4 conference have pretty much come to an end.
IMO, that leaves a deal with the AAC as the most likely (not best) option.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 30, 2023 11:49:40 GMT -8
I would personally rather travel to Boca Raton, Charlotte, Houston, Memphis, New Orleans, San Antonio, and Tampa. But a conference with nine of Albuquerque, Boise, Colorado Springs, Fresno, Fort Collins, Las Vegas, Logan, Reno, San Diego, and San Jose would also be great. Oregon State has multiple great paths forward. Just have to put something together, where the numbers work out. Interesting list but I would add two more California schools. It’s a big and proud state. And some of those schools must be itching to compete at the same level as UCLA, Cal, etc. No one has really talked about it that much, but I believe that the next problem is going to be bowl contracts. If the Pac-4 concentrates on the Mountain West, what bowl contracts are we going to get? I would rather cast a wide net and hopefully line up some great bowls nationwide. Then, after the Mountain West contract runs out in two years, we go back and add San Diego State and UNLV to get to twelve. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 30, 2023 11:51:24 GMT -8
For those that missed it, it's a local joke. There are no trees in Laramie. As my dear old Dad used to say, "There's nothing between Laramie and the north pole but a barbed wire fence in Saskatchewan." Well, there was one for sure. Maybe a transplant. Or maybe a long day of driving a minivan of family affected my eyesight. As I get told all of the time, pics or it didn't happen. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 30, 2023 11:54:37 GMT -8
A lot of teams in the MWC found that having the 13th game just wasn't worth it. Late in the season, they were better off having a bye to get guys recovered from nagging injuries. If you have 13 games, you now need 7 wins to be bowl eligible. Plus... at this point in time why would the MWC agree to any merger leaving out two of their current members? You'd think folks here believe the Pac2/4 have some sort of leverage?! The MWC has a conference and a TV contract that meets their current needs. Would they like to improve it? Hell yes. But, there is no way they will get enough votes to disband/merge if the demand is that Hawaii is left to fend for itself in football, and/or Wyoming is left out in the cold for all sports. Seems pretty ironic fans of OSU would think that is ok!! Oregon State has its share of $420 million in leverage. Oregon State has the coveted Pacific Time slot. Plus, Oregon State can play the AAC off the MWC. Oregon State has leverage. The one thing that may save Wyoming in the end is Colorado State. I still think that the AAC merger is the way to go. |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 30, 2023 12:20:11 GMT -8
Plus... at this point in time why would the MWC agree to any merger leaving out two of their current members? You'd think folks here believe the Pac2/4 have some sort of leverage?! The MWC has a conference and a TV contract that meets their current needs. Would they like to improve it? Hell yes. But, there is no way they will get enough votes to disband/merge if the demand is that Hawaii is left to fend for itself in football, and/or Wyoming is left out in the cold for all sports. Seems pretty ironic fans of OSU would think that is ok!! Oregon State has leverage. The one thing that may save Wyoming in the end is Colorado State. I still think that the AAC merger is the way to go.There is not $420 mil... and there is no legal remedy on how much and who exactly will have access. So at this time it is not a known factor. The Pacific time slot is pretty much filled with B10 and B12 teams with larger viewership. It is not near as big of factor now. What is there to play off? If the AAC travel and monetary difference in media contracts is to be basically nil. Combine that with being stuck in a long term AAC media deal... leverage? There is none. AAC has not really ventured down the "merger" path. It is wanting to add the Pac2/4. The AAC is not going to dissolve to allow the Pac2/4 to keep their incoming revenue. Unless that happens the monies will be split 12 ways. OSU has zero leverage. OSU/WSU as package a bit more than zero. The Pac4 has some leverage as the Bay area is included. But, overall unless Apple has made some deal with the Pac2/4 that is very attractive to either, the remainder of the Pac12, especially OSU alone... is a "beggar that can't be too choosy". |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 30, 2023 12:37:54 GMT -8
Oregon State has its share of $420 million in leverage.Oregon State has the coveted Pacific Time slot.Plus, Oregon State can play the AAC off the MWC.Oregon State has leverage. The one thing that may save Wyoming in the end is Colorado State. I still think that the AAC merger is the way to go. There is not $420 mil... and there is no legal remedy on how much and who exactly will have access. So at this time it is not a known factor. The Pacific time slot is pretty much filled with B10 and B12 teams with larger viewership. It is not near as big of factor now. What is there to play off? If the AAC travel and monetary difference in media contracts is to be basically nil. Combine that with being stuck in a long term AAC media deal... leverage? There is none. AAC has not really ventured down the "merger" path. It is wanting to add the Pac2/4. The AAC is not going to dissolve to allow the Pac2/4 to keep their incoming revenue. Unless that happens the monies will be split 12 ways. OSU has zero leverage. OSU/WSU as package a bit more than zero. The Pac4 has some leverage as the Bay area is included. But, overall unless Apple has made some deal with the Pac2/4 that is very attractive to either, the remainder of the Pac12, especially OSU alone... is a "beggar that can't be too choosy". The only real leverage the Pac 2 would have on the AAC is media contract potential. The AAC is locked into 7 mil a team for the next 8-9 years. IF Apple is willing to deal and come in with an acceptable number, they would probably be pretty interested. The "warchest" league money, however much is actually coming, helps even if we split it with the new members. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 30, 2023 12:44:42 GMT -8
Oregon State has its share of $420 million in leverage.Oregon State has the coveted Pacific Time slot.Plus, Oregon State can play the AAC off the MWC.Oregon State has leverage. The one thing that may save Wyoming in the end is Colorado State. I still think that the AAC merger is the way to go. There is not $420 mil... and there is no legal remedy on how much and who exactly will have access. So at this time it is not a known factor. The Pacific time slot is pretty much filled with B10 and B12 teams with larger viewership. It is not near as big of factor now. What is there to play off? If the AAC travel and monetary difference in media contracts is to be basically nil. Combine that with being stuck in a long term AAC media deal... leverage? There is none. AAC has not really ventured down the "merger" path. It is wanting to add the Pac2/4. The AAC is not going to dissolve to allow the Pac2/4 to keep their incoming revenue. Unless that happens the monies will be split 12 ways. OSU has zero leverage. OSU/WSU as package a bit more than zero. The Pac4 has some leverage as the Bay area is included. But, overall unless Apple has made some deal with the Pac2/4 that is very attractive to either, the remainder of the Pac12, especially OSU alone... is a "beggar that can't be too choosy". All media contracts can be renegotiated up, if membership changes. If there is a merger, you can combine media deals. The AAC and MWC are talking to Oregon State and Wazzu. The MWC just had their meeting with Oregon State. The AAC wouldn't dissolve but could be pared down and merged into a new conference with the Pac-4. The beauty of the AAC is that several of those teams aren't owed a thin dime, because they only just joined the conference in July and are the teams, by and large, that I would propose would be left out. Any nine teams speak for the Mountain West. If the Mountain West wants to, they can kick out whatever three teams that they want. I don't think that the Pac-4 should join with any more than 10 teams (and nine may be preferable) from the Mountain West. And there are 10 teams that would jump at the chance to basically trade up and get a better media deal out of it. Oregon State alone is better than Wazzu alone. We are not beggars. The AAC and MWC are coming to Corvallis, not the other way around. The picture that you paint is too bleak. It's bad but not that bad. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 30, 2023 12:46:37 GMT -8
There is not $420 mil... and there is no legal remedy on how much and who exactly will have access. So at this time it is not a known factor. The Pacific time slot is pretty much filled with B10 and B12 teams with larger viewership. It is not near as big of factor now. What is there to play off? If the AAC travel and monetary difference in media contracts is to be basically nil. Combine that with being stuck in a long term AAC media deal... leverage? There is none. AAC has not really ventured down the "merger" path. It is wanting to add the Pac2/4. The AAC is not going to dissolve to allow the Pac2/4 to keep their incoming revenue. Unless that happens the monies will be split 12 ways. OSU has zero leverage. OSU/WSU as package a bit more than zero. The Pac4 has some leverage as the Bay area is included. But, overall unless Apple has made some deal with the Pac2/4 that is very attractive to either, the remainder of the Pac12, especially OSU alone... is a "beggar that can't be too choosy". The only real leverage the Pac 2 would have on the AAC is media contract potential. The AAC is locked into 7 mil a team for the next 8-9 years. IF Apple is willing to deal and come in with an acceptable number, they would probably be pretty interested. The "warchest" league money, however much is actually coming, helps even if we split it with the new members. Nobody is locked into anything. The AAC is only "locked in," if their membership does not change. If membership changes, the contract can change. The contracts are basically floors for whichever teams remain in the conference. |
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Post by grayman on Aug 30, 2023 12:51:32 GMT -8
The remaining Pac members also have the Pac-12 Network as potential leverage.
There will be money coming in as well, just very unlikely that it will amount to $420 million.
I'm torn on Cal and Stanford. On one hand, the Pac-4 has better strength when it comes to negotiating with TV/streaming services as well as probably being a better draw overall for creating a new Pac.
On the other hand, I'm not all that interested in those two schools pushing for schools like Rice over Boise State (for instance) just because of academic prestige. Not the way to move forward successfully, IMO.
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 30, 2023 13:59:06 GMT -8
Oregon State has its share of $420 million in leverage.Oregon State has the coveted Pacific Time slot.Plus, Oregon State can play the AAC off the MWC.Oregon State has leverage. The one thing that may save Wyoming in the end is Colorado State. I still think that the AAC merger is the way to go. There is not $420 mil... and there is no legal remedy on how much and who exactly will have access. So at this time it is not a known factor. The Pacific time slot is pretty much filled with B10 and B12 teams with larger viewership. It is not near as big of factor now. What is there to play off? If the AAC travel and monetary difference in media contracts is to be basically nil. Combine that with being stuck in a long term AAC media deal... leverage? There is none. AAC has not really ventured down the "merger" path. It is wanting to add the Pac2/4. The AAC is not going to dissolve to allow the Pac2/4 to keep their incoming revenue. Unless that happens the monies will be split 12 ways. OSU has zero leverage. OSU/WSU as package a bit more than zero. The Pac4 has some leverage as the Bay area is included. But, overall unless Apple has made some deal with the Pac2/4 that is very attractive to either, the remainder of the Pac12, especially OSU alone... is a "beggar that can't be too choosy". So, if there isn’t $420M, how much is there? Is there anything? I had read there was $420 M in value, then read that was wrong. Does anybody really know with any degree of accuracy? |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 30, 2023 14:04:22 GMT -8
I'm torn on Stanford and Cal as well. They aren't likely to be the best negotiating partners. With just 4 voting schools in the Pac now, they could torpedo any deal they want... and I think they would be far more likely than OSU and WSU to do just that.
Snobbery basically got the PAC 12 into this mess, and I highly doubt snobbery will get us out of this mess.
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Post by beaver55to7 on Aug 30, 2023 16:10:25 GMT -8
Oregon State has its share of $420 million in leverage.Oregon State has the coveted Pacific Time slot.Plus, Oregon State can play the AAC off the MWC.Oregon State has leverage. The one thing that may save Wyoming in the end is Colorado State. I still think that the AAC merger is the way to go. There is not $420 mil... and there is no legal remedy on how much and who exactly will have access. So at this time it is not a known factor. The Pacific time slot is pretty much filled with B10 and B12 teams with larger viewership. It is not near as big of factor now. What is there to play off? If the AAC travel and monetary difference in media contracts is to be basically nil. Combine that with being stuck in a long term AAC media deal... leverage? There is none. AAC has not really ventured down the "merger" path. It is wanting to add the Pac2/4. The AAC is not going to dissolve to allow the Pac2/4 to keep their incoming revenue. Unless that happens the monies will be split 12 ways. OSU has zero leverage. OSU/WSU as package a bit more than zero. The Pac4 has some leverage as the Bay area is included. But, overall unless Apple has made some deal with the Pac2/4 that is very attractive to either, the remainder of the Pac12, especially OSU alone... is a "beggar that can't be too choosy". Hate to agree with every line in a rgeorge post, but he nails it here. The only people throwing around the 420 mil number is message board posters. It isn't real, no one knows the number because it is going to take an accounting team to find all the liabilities and assets, but I think, maybe, believe it will be a LOT less then 420 mil, and that is even before the lawyers start gashing it. Our best hope is a amicable negotiated settlement with the 8 traitors, because I don't feel good about going to court trying to keep whatever horde there is. The 7pm west coast time slot was never 'coveted', it had value, but no where near the value of 4pm and 8pm east coast, and as rgeorge says, there will now be games available featuring USC or UCLA or UW or uo or Arizona or ASU at 7pm west coast, and they will be playing much better branded teams then anything in the AAC or MWC. No value there. |
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