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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 27, 2023 23:02:00 GMT -8
B12 reiterates that it is done with expansion linkAnother article based upon the tweet I posted earlier. So many sites out there just looking for page views.  I will say this - if the B12 ever does add the Pac-4, it may not because the B12 wants to, it may be because ESPN wants to...but if Stanford/Cal go to the ACC, I don't think they add OSU/WSU alone. More likely to add SDSU. The Big Ten is jaundiced against Oregon State and Wazzu. The odds that the Big Ten ever takes Oregon State and Wazzu without a bunch of pushing and prodding from schools like Minnesota, Oregon, Purdue, UCLA, USC, Washington, and Wisconsin is next-to-zero. The Big Twelve, on the other hand, is really only jaundiced against Wazzu. Oregon State has a much better chance of getting an invite to the Big Twelve, but Wazzu may not get an invite. I can see a situation, where the Big Twelve invites Oregon State and San Diego State, without Wazzu, which was floated not so long ago. Or Boise State and Oregon State as a matched pair with some other schools in a couple of years. Oregon State is the 11th-most desirable team in the Pac-12 as of this moment. But the Beavs aren't the 12th. And that may still be Oregon State's salvation, when all is said and done. |
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Post by ag87 on Aug 27, 2023 23:15:44 GMT -8
I have not formulated my complete thought on this matter yet. But what i have decided is that everything in college sports is money based and the big money is media contracts. Give or take the money percentages going forward are SEC 30%, B10 30%, B12 15%, ACC 15% and everybody else 10%. So for this particular conversation the B12 has two priorities: 1) increase their 15% and 2) protect that 15% from going backwards. Every other conference has similar priorities. The B12 will take more teams in a heartbeat if they think their number goes to 17%. They will find a way to dump Iowa State and Cincinnati (for example) (and in a heartbeat) if they think going forward with those two schools drops their percentage to 14. All four of the named conferences, in reality their owners (Fox and ESPN), will fight like hell if a reconstituted PAC gets 12% of the pie. They will do that because their 30% share (for example) will go to 28%. In truth I don't believe this is a zero-sum game but the players, linear networks and powerful schools (not athletes), believe it is.
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Post by grayman on Aug 28, 2023 13:45:45 GMT -8
B12 reiterates that it is done with expansion linkThis is just based on what Brett McMurphy tweeted that his sources are telling him. It isn't the "Big-12." Not saying his tweet will turn out to be wrong but a lot of reporters who have tried to cover all the realignment stuff have sources who have given them information that has turned out to be false. And I'm not even saying those sources are intentionally spreading misinformation. I just think this whole thing has been so fluid that it has been extremely difficult for real reporters to cut through the noise. |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 28, 2023 13:58:51 GMT -8
B12 reiterates that it is done with expansion linkThis is just based on what Brett McMurphy tweeted that his sources are telling him. It isn't the "Big-12." Not saying his tweet will turn out to be wrong but a lot of reporters who have tried to cover all the realignment stuff have sources who have given them information that has turned out to be false. And I'm not even saying those sources are intentionally spreading misinformation. I just think this whole thing has been so fluid that it has been extremely difficult for real reporters to cut through the noise. And, to be truthful, they aren't "real" reporters. They all basically want to break THE story. So, they're basically a conduit for all these unnamed sources as there is really no way to corroborate any of this. |
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Post by irimi on Aug 28, 2023 14:25:38 GMT -8
Fact is, we won't know anything until it has been bought and paid for. Like UW and Hole pulling out. And the others. Tweets are merely buying leverage, I think.
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Post by ee1990 on Aug 28, 2023 16:12:10 GMT -8
B12 reiterates that it is done with expansion linkThis is just based on what Brett McMurphy tweeted that his sources are telling him. It isn't the "Big-12." Not saying his tweet will turn out to be wrong but a lot of reporters who have tried to cover all the realignment stuff have sources who have given them information that has turned out to be false. And I'm not even saying those sources are intentionally spreading misinformation. I just think this whole thing has been so fluid that it has been extremely difficult for real reporters to cut through the noise. Very true, but McMurphy is a way more reliable source than Silver. For whatever that's worth, which is nothing. |
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Post by 93beav on Aug 28, 2023 17:27:20 GMT -8
Well now we'll wait at least 1 or 2 more days as the ACC meeting was postponed due to the active shooter situation at UNC.
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Post by beav8807 on Aug 28, 2023 17:41:00 GMT -8
Could it be a good thing that Stanford and Cal go to ACC? That (I think) gives big 10, SEC and ACC 18 members with Big 12 at only 16. They could then add us and WSU to get to 18. Also, would we then own all pac 12 network infrastructure and add that into the deal. I like us as a fit into big 12 with football, not to mention baseball and wrestling. Basketball isn’t great, but we do have a recent elite 8…Just seems to make a lot of sense, including getting the big 12 into the pacific time zone…
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Post by bvrbred on Aug 29, 2023 6:31:42 GMT -8
The Big 12 currently has a presence in Eastern, Central, and Rocky Mountain time zones. In fact, with BYU and the addition of the Pac12 legacy schools they now have a dominant Rocky Mountain presence. If the Big 12 took the Bay Area schools plus OSU/WSU they would be effectively stealing two thirds of the former Pac12, giving them a West Coast presence greater than their Eastern presence and would likely keep the ACC out of the far west. The Big 10 isnt going to expand westward any more. Big 12 would be set geographically.
I can't believe he Big 12 people haven't thought about this. Possibly the TV people aren't receptive.
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Post by beaver55to7 on Aug 29, 2023 6:51:38 GMT -8
The Big 12 currently has a presence in Eastern, Central, and Rocky Mountain time zones. In fact, with BYU and the addition of the Pac12 legacy schools they now have a dominant Rocky Mountain presence. If the Big 12 took the Bay Area schools plus OSU/WSU they would be effectively stealing two thirds of the former Pac12, giving them a West Coast presence greater than their Eastern presence and would likely keep the ACC out of the far west. The Big 10 isnt going to expand westward any more. Big 12 would be set geographically. I can't believe he Big 12 people haven't thought about this. Possibly the TV people aren't receptive. Arizona is on west coast time the majority of football season. They will be able to have one 7pm west coast start time all of September and October if they choose to. |
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