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Post by beaver55to7 on Aug 26, 2023 17:55:14 GMT -8
My first thought is negotiating tactic for Stanford with the ACC.
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Post by ftd on Aug 26, 2023 18:17:24 GMT -8
My first thought is negotiating tactic for Stanford with the ACC. Is the ACC or the B12 better for stanford? Logistics is for sure in favor of the B12. Academics? join the Ivy League and go away |
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Post by bvrbooster on Aug 26, 2023 20:28:25 GMT -8
I saw this same rumor a week ago from a very unreliable source, but their take on it was that ESPN was trying to get the Big 12 to take Stanford/Cal if ACC said no. ESPN doesn't want to potentially lose those West Coast slots to competitors. They didn't mention any interest in OSU/WSU. But it would be a complete miracle if Stanford ever agreed to join the Big12. They'd have to play BYU and be with a bunch of schools that don't have nearly the academic credentials. BTW, we didn't suck at running the PAC-12 channel, we sucked at selling it. If we embed with one of the major linear players, we're just buying into the system that has so far tried to exclude us. And the reason the departing school didn't worry about losing the money associated with what's left of the PAC is because they were looking at $0, no-linear, media deal (as we don't know what Apple would have done), or a potential shift down to something like $15 million. Staying meant a big split in the playoff credits that would probably suffice for a year, and then they were stuck. Now with the Big12, they will get a share of whatever playoff credits the Big12 earns. I have always thought the PAC 12 channel was poorly run in just about every aspect. Can't tell you how many times I looked at the banner running down below, and they wouldn't even list 2 or 4 teams in a given sport competing that day. Or, they'd show such and such a game starting at 1:00 and it's already 5 minutes to 2. The first year or two I chalked it up to growing pains and I thought they'd get things fixed as time went on - but they never did. |
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Post by beaver55to7 on Aug 27, 2023 6:41:52 GMT -8
My first thought is negotiating tactic for Stanford with the ACC. Is the ACC or the B12 better for stanford? Logistics is for sure in favor of the B12. Academics? join the Ivy League and go away Joining a conference in which one schools archeology department believes human evolution started 6,000 years ago would seemingly be an insurmountable problem for Stanfords academic community. |
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Post by grackle on Aug 27, 2023 7:41:17 GMT -8
Is the ACC or the B12 better for stanford? Logistics is for sure in favor of the B12. Academics? join the Ivy League and go away Joining a conference in which one schools archeology department believes human evolution started 6,000 years ago would seemingly be an insurmountable problem for Stanfords academic community. Bingo. |
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Post by escott58 on Aug 27, 2023 9:52:13 GMT -8
Call me spiteful, but I'd still like to see an Apple or Amazon deal to put a thorn in the ESPN Beast's side. Although, apl/Amazon might be a bigger beast?
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Post by p8nted on Aug 27, 2023 10:09:29 GMT -8
Is the ACC or the B12 better for stanford? Logistics is for sure in favor of the B12. Academics? join the Ivy League and go away Joining a conference in which one schools archeology department believes human evolution started 6,000 years ago would seemingly be an insurmountable problem for Stanfords academic community. AAC reference? Nobody in the Big 12 or ACC has that view I don't think? Liberty? then yes in AAC |
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Post by TheGlove on Aug 27, 2023 10:29:53 GMT -8
Joining a conference in which one schools archeology department believes human evolution started 6,000 years ago would seemingly be an insurmountable problem for Stanfords academic community. AAC reference? Nobody in the Big 12 or ACC has that view I don't think? Liberty? then yes in AAC the reference is to BYU |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 27, 2023 11:07:46 GMT -8
So Furd wouldn't join because they hate Mormons? Is that what's being presented here?
I thought the enlightened Californians are sposed to be the most accepting of everyone???
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Post by bennyskid on Aug 27, 2023 11:20:59 GMT -8
Joining a conference in which one schools archeology department believes human evolution started 6,000 years ago would seemingly be an insurmountable problem for Stanfords academic community.
I suspect that you are a little confused. Why would a archaeology department be consulted on matters of evolution? I don't ask the biology department to date my Cypriot pottery collection. And why would a Mormon school be anti-evolution, when the Mormon church is not?
Here's a solid fact - BYU's Archaeology department outranks the UO's. (At least in the one web site I could find with comprehensive rankings. edurank.org/liberal-arts/archaeology/us/) At #83, it's ahead of Dartmouth and Georgetown. I don't think that Stanford would object to playing either of those schools.
BYU doesn't rank all that highly in many of the lists because it isn't primarily a research university, like Stanford and OSU. There was a time when Stanford played football against army teams and athletic clubs. I think they could adjust to playing BYU.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 27, 2023 11:26:29 GMT -8
So I want to get this straight....
Stanford would not join a conference that has religious universities? Like it's a deal breaker for them to be associated with them? I find that hard to believe. If it is true, they can F off! They need to go independent and just be their own little arrogant entity, on their own.....two wings of the same bird with Notre Dame
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 27, 2023 11:49:57 GMT -8
So I want to get this straight.... Stanford would not join a conference that has religious universities? Like it's a deal breaker for them to be associated with them? I find that hard to believe. If it is true, they can F off! They need to go independent and just be their own little arrogant entity, on their own.....two wings of the same bird with Notre Dame So... I heard from a distant cousin of the janitor that cleaned the conference room... that two schools were completely against the Apple deal on the grounds of using the "forbidden fruit" to make a profit. Though they knew the forbidden fruit in the Book of Genesis is not identified, it is popular Christian tradition that Adam and Eve ate an apple from the forbidden tree. Hence, both schools could not in good faith deal with a company such as Apple.  OK... so back to reality. Speaking of ND, Stanford seems to have no issue playing that religious university on a regular basis?! Or are posters not only making up crap, but accusing entire universities of religious bias? As with much of the recent posts on schools, conferences, and realignment... it's just made up BS. Like one poster on here has any, a shred of inside info on any of the musings, processes, and ongoing negotiations. Let alone the political, religious, personal leanings of any of the characters involved. |
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Post by p8nted on Aug 27, 2023 11:52:59 GMT -8
So I want to get this straight.... Stanford would not join a conference that has religious universities? Like it's a deal breaker for them to be associated with them? I find that hard to believe. If it is true, they can F off! They need to go independent and just be their own little arrogant entity, on their own.....two wings of the same bird with Notre Dame It had nothing to do with Religion. BYU restricts what their professors can teach and they cannot go against the policies of the church in their instruction. They have been sanctioned by the AAUP for not allowing academic freedom with professors. That is what Stanford does not like. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 27, 2023 12:00:15 GMT -8
So I want to get this straight.... Stanford would not join a conference that has religious universities? Like it's a deal breaker for them to be associated with them? I find that hard to believe. If it is true, they can F off! They need to go independent and just be their own little arrogant entity, on their own.....two wings of the same bird with Notre Dame It had nothing to do with Religion. BYU restricts what their professors can teach and they cannot go against the policies of the church in their instruction. They have been sanctioned by the AAUP for not allowing academic freedom with professors. That is what Stanford does not like. So why should furd give a s%#t what the Mormons do? |
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Post by NativeBeav on Aug 27, 2023 12:11:55 GMT -8
So I want to get this straight.... Stanford would not join a conference that has religious universities? Like it's a deal breaker for them to be associated with them? I find that hard to believe. If it is true, they can F off! They need to go independent and just be their own little arrogant entity, on their own.....two wings of the same bird with Notre Dame It had nothing to do with Religion. BYU restricts what their professors can teach and they cannot go against the policies of the church in their instruction. They have been sanctioned by the AAUP for not allowing academic freedom with professors. That is what Stanford does not like. Oh the irony..... the rich irony in the culture we live in today - anyone been to Berkeley lately - wow! |
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