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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 26, 2023 14:24:47 GMT -8
What about the Pac 12 channel? I remember talk of the big 12 wanting it for themselves to turn into the Big 12 channel
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Post by NativeBeav on Aug 26, 2023 14:34:51 GMT -8
To be clear, there are a number of things I do not like about joining the Big12. I hate the idea of the retains owed the Pac12 going to each of the former members equally, if the Pac12 ceases to exist, especially the Judas schools that stabbed us and/or the Pac12 in the back. I also hate succumbing to the insanity that is big money controlling college football, and blowing up traditional rivalries/ conferences.
But - if this is the only way to keep up financially, and to keep us relevant - I guess it is our only choice. What would really have me on board is if the Big12 and the remaining four teams in the Pac12 could find a way to "merge" with the Big12 vs being absorbed, and have all of the remaining retains, assets, etc of the Pac go to the last four teams, on top of whatever media deal we would receive in the Big. Now that would sweet! Accept B12 with small or no piece of the media pie..BUT somehow arrange it that were own the P12 funds. Call it some sort of B12/P12 co-conference.... ...that's our payday until the next realignment. The lawyers would all get rich in this approach...Lawyers - necessary evil. I really don't care if they get rich, as long as the lion's share of the money goes to the remaining schools. It would even be better if Calford joined the ACC, then the next day this deal was announced. Now the retains, assets (including Pac12 Network) gets split equally between us and WSU - perfect! Compensation for all of the emotional pain and suffering that the defecting members put us through - isn't that what lawyers are good at securing - money for pain and suffering?  |
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Post by ftd on Aug 26, 2023 14:37:25 GMT -8
What about the Pac 12 channel? I remember talk of the big 12 wanting it for themselves to turn into the Big 12 channel Sure...why not? Just get someone like ESPN to run it like they run the SEC channel. Silly to do it ourselves.... |
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Post by irimi on Aug 26, 2023 14:39:24 GMT -8
What about the Pac 12 channel? I remember talk of the big 12 wanting it for themselves to turn into the Big 12 channel Sure...why not? Just get someone like ESPN to run it like they run the SEC channel. Silly to do it ourselves.... Particularly when we suck at it. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Aug 26, 2023 15:06:29 GMT -8
From a wrestling standpoint it'd be great. Oregon State Arizona State Stanford Oklahoma State Iowa State Oklahoma *Missouri *North Dakota St. *South Dakota St. *Northern Iowa *Air Force *Northern Colorado *Wyoming *Utah Valley *West Virginia *California Baptist *Competes in Big XII in wrestling. |
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Post by grayman on Aug 26, 2023 15:11:31 GMT -8
Oregon State to the Big 12 is the best case scenario. By far.
You didn't see Utah, Colorado, Arizona and ASU wringing their hands over maybe losing out on naming rights/Pac-12 Network ownership and possible future payouts.
You don't see Cal and Stanford wringing their hands over it either.
They all made (or are trying to make) decisions that they believe are better for the future.
If OSU and WSU get left out, then it is what it is and they'll have to figure out the best course of action. But they should jump at the chance at the Big 12 if they get it.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 26, 2023 15:39:21 GMT -8
From a wrestling standpoint it'd be great. Oregon State Arizona State Stanford Oklahoma State Iowa State Oklahoma *Missouri *North Dakota St. *South Dakota St. *Northern Iowa *Air Force *Northern Colorado *Wyoming *Utah Valley *West Virginia *California Baptist *Competes in Big XII in wrestling. It's a much better conference, top to bottom, in all sports then a PC/MW/AAC conf would be. I feel like being in the big 12 gives us the best opportunity to keep our football program hummin along......that needs to be priority, obviously.....we can build off of a healthy football program. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Aug 26, 2023 15:42:07 GMT -8
From a wrestling standpoint it'd be great. Oregon State Arizona State Stanford Oklahoma State Iowa State Oklahoma *Missouri *North Dakota St. *South Dakota St. *Northern Iowa *Air Force *Northern Colorado *Wyoming *Utah Valley *West Virginia *California Baptist *Competes in Big XII in wrestling. And that’d be exactly 16 teams which would be a perfect 4-round conference tournament. |
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Post by irimi on Aug 26, 2023 15:51:43 GMT -8
Oregon State to the Big 12 is the best case scenario. By far. You didn't see Utah, Colorado, Arizona and ASU wringing their hands over maybe losing out on naming rights/Pac-12 Network ownership and possible future payouts. You don't see Cal and Stanford wringing their hands over it either. They all made (or are trying to make) decisions that they believe are better for the future. If OSU and WSU get left out, then it is what it is and they'll have to figure out the best course of action. But they should jump at the chance at the Big 12 if they get it. Good points. I think you've convinced me that my sentimentality for the Pac is not what's best for OSU. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Aug 26, 2023 15:53:26 GMT -8
The lawyers are all going to get rich(er) no matter what happens.
Does the Big 12 have its own TV network? If not, that could be a bargaining chip for us.
Anyway, so many different rumors are making the rounds that I'm not going to get too interested in any of them.
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Post by NativeBeav on Aug 26, 2023 15:56:57 GMT -8
Oregon State to the Big 12 is the best case scenario. By far. You didn't see Utah, Colorado, Arizona and ASU wringing their hands over maybe losing out on naming rights/Pac-12 Network ownership and possible future payouts. You don't see Cal and Stanford wringing their hands over it either. They all made (or are trying to make) decisions that they believe are better for the future. If OSU and WSU get left out, then it is what it is and they'll have to figure out the best course of action. But they should jump at the chance at the Big 12 if they get it. Good points. I think you've convinced me that my sentimentality for the Pac is not what's best for OSU. Nooooooo!!!! You are losing your nerve! Rebuild the PAC!! (Just kidding) I may not be convinced yet, but I do see why people are so convinced this is our best option, by far, at this point. Head says Big12 (if offered), heart says rebuilt Pac12 |
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Post by 93beav on Aug 26, 2023 16:16:58 GMT -8
I saw this same rumor a week ago from a very unreliable source, but their take on it was that ESPN was trying to get the Big 12 to take Stanford/Cal if ACC said no. ESPN doesn't want to potentially lose those West Coast slots to competitors. They didn't mention any interest in OSU/WSU. But it would be a complete miracle if Stanford ever agreed to join the Big12. They'd have to play BYU and be with a bunch of schools that don't have nearly the academic credentials.
BTW, we didn't suck at running the PAC-12 channel, we sucked at selling it. If we embed with one of the major linear players, we're just buying into the system that has so far tried to exclude us.
And the reason the departing school didn't worry about losing the money associated with what's left of the PAC is because they were looking at $0, no-linear, media deal (as we don't know what Apple would have done), or a potential shift down to something like $15 million. Staying meant a big split in the playoff credits that would probably suffice for a year, and then they were stuck. Now with the Big12, they will get a share of whatever playoff credits the Big12 earns.
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Post by castorcanadensis on Aug 26, 2023 16:26:20 GMT -8
I saw this same rumor a week ago from a very unreliable source, but their take on it was that ESPN was trying to get the Big 12 to take Stanford/Cal if ACC said no. ESPN doesn't want to potentially lose those West Coast slots to competitors. They didn't mention any interest in OSU/WSU. But it would be a complete miracle if Stanford ever agreed to join the Big12. They'd have to play BYU and be with a bunch of schools that don't have nearly the academic credentials. BTW, we didn't suck at running the PAC-12 channel, we sucked at selling it. If we embed with one of the major linear players, we're just buying into the system that has so far tried to exclude us. And the reason the departing school didn't worry about losing the money associated with what's left of the PAC is because they were looking at $0, no-linear, media deal (as we don't know what Apple would have done), or a potential shift down to something like $15 million. Staying meant a big split in the playoff credits that would probably suffice for a year, and then they were stuck. Now with the Big12, they will get a share of whatever playoff credits the Big12 earns. I have heard that the pac-12 has credits coming from basketball and an emergency fund. So yes there is money for the remaining members. If all members leave it is shared with all 12 departing schools. |
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Post by 93beav on Aug 26, 2023 16:34:23 GMT -8
I saw this same rumor a week ago from a very unreliable source, but their take on it was that ESPN was trying to get the Big 12 to take Stanford/Cal if ACC said no. ESPN doesn't want to potentially lose those West Coast slots to competitors. They didn't mention any interest in OSU/WSU. But it would be a complete miracle if Stanford ever agreed to join the Big12. They'd have to play BYU and be with a bunch of schools that don't have nearly the academic credentials. BTW, we didn't suck at running the PAC-12 channel, we sucked at selling it. If we embed with one of the major linear players, we're just buying into the system that has so far tried to exclude us. And the reason the departing school didn't worry about losing the money associated with what's left of the PAC is because they were looking at $0, no-linear, media deal (as we don't know what Apple would have done), or a potential shift down to something like $15 million. Staying meant a big split in the playoff credits that would probably suffice for a year, and then they were stuck. Now with the Big12, they will get a share of whatever playoff credits the Big12 earns. I have heard that the pac-12 has credits coming from basketball and an emergency fund. So yes there is money for the remaining members. If all members leave it is shared with all 12 departing schools. I don't think I argued against that. I agree there is money coming. Someone mentioned the other schools that left didn't care and I was pointing out why they didn't. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 26, 2023 16:59:50 GMT -8
Oregon State to the Big 12 is the best case scenario. By far. You didn't see Utah, Colorado, Arizona and ASU wringing their hands over maybe losing out on naming rights/Pac-12 Network ownership and possible future payouts. You don't see Cal and Stanford wringing their hands over it either. They all made (or are trying to make) decisions that they believe are better for the future. If OSU and WSU get left out, then it is what it is and they'll have to figure out the best course of action. But they should jump at the chance at the Big 12 if they get it. I believe that the thought there is that the Big gets the Pac-12's money, which makes it all work. More like a merger. Big 12 would have eight of the 12 Pac-12 teams. |
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