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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 25, 2023 15:38:28 GMT -8
589/20% of the NFL is G5 or lower level players. Any kid thinking a conference is the path to the NFL isn't someone that fits OSU's culture anyway. Plus, the one positive of the portal is players like DJU "grow up" and find that brand doesn't always equal fit. OSU will recruit just fine. I think we have different ideas of just fine. We have made it to this unique spot in our history where we enter a season ranked, get a highly touted transfer QB, and have fans dreaming of a play for the national championship. The buzz around the program is real and it is exciting. We’re seeing better recruits and less fall off between first and second string. Another ten plus win season and we’ll be in good shape to bring in more and more top players. Moving to the MWC, I think, means that we will have traditional Beaver types of players. They’ll be “just fine” and some will probably work hard and be stars, but I doubt that we’d ever reach our former brothers (USC, UW…) in terms of recruits and/or wins. But we’ll be fine. Sure. Just not a national force. Tulane took down USC last year in the Cotton Bowl, literally one of two teams that can say that, and the other is Ohio State. Cincinnati played #1 Alabama in the Cotton Bowl last year and is now in the Big 12. Central Florida beat #7 Auburn in the Peach Bowl in 2018 and is now in the Big 12. Houston beat #6 Baylor in the 2014 Fiesta Bowl and #9 Florida State in the Peach Bowl in 2016 and is now in the Big 12. TCU beat #5 Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl in 2011 (my son's literal birthday) and is now in the Big 12. Utah beat #4 Alabama in the Sugar Bowl in 2009 and is now in the Big 12. Boise State beat #7 Oklahoma in the 2007 Fiesta Bowl, TCU in the 2010 Fiesta Bowl, and Arizona in the 2014 Fiesta Bowl. Define "national force" I suppose. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 25, 2023 15:52:24 GMT -8
It's going to hurt, but on a positive, Boise St. has gotten as many or more 4 star recruits as we have. It can still be done. Keeping the staff is my main concern. Pretty sure Howard was Smith's FIRST four star commit in the time he's been here. Chiles was upgraded after the commit, I'm thinking Collins was a zero star commit (now a 3 but he could end up being a steal at that rating) People put too much emphasis into star ratings, and Jonathan has proven he can build without "4 star" recruits. I'm not going to overly freaked out by the possibility of dropping to G5 as long as there's a roadpath to the playoffs. If an Autonomous 4 happens, they should up the playoffs to 16 teams and no byes. It'd still be 3 weekends of games. People DO put too much emphasis on star rating.....That said, it's a pretty good indication of how good your recruiting is. It's a lot harder to build a good team with SDSU recruits vs. Michigan's. Our recruiting momentum will likely be derailed losing P5 status......that is not doom, and gloom, that is how this thing works.....now, can we still build a competitive team? Absolutely!.....but it will be more difficult.....and with each resource we lose (coaches, revenue) it becomes that much more difficult......again, not doom, and gloom, just reality......I guess the glass half full look is our competition will be lesser, so it's all relative. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 25, 2023 16:02:36 GMT -8
Pretty sure Howard was Smith's FIRST four star commit in the time he's been here. Chiles was upgraded after the commit, I'm thinking Collins was a zero star commit (now a 3 but he could end up being a steal at that rating) People put too much emphasis into star ratings, and Jonathan has proven he can build without "4 star" recruits. I'm not going to overly freaked out by the possibility of dropping to G5 as long as there's a roadpath to the playoffs. If an Autonomous 4 happens, they should up the playoffs to 16 teams and no byes. It'd still be 3 weekends of games. People DO put too much emphasis on star rating.....That said, it's a pretty good indication of how good your recruiting is. It's a lot harder to build a good team with SDSU recruits vs. Michigan's. Our recruiting momentum will likely be derailed losing P5 status......that is not doom, and gloom, that is how this thing works.....now, can we still build a competitive team? Absolutely!.....but it will be more difficult.....and with each resource we lose (coaches, revenue) it becomes that much more difficult......again, not doom, and gloom, just reality......I guess the glass half full look is our competition will be lesser, so it's all relative. Oregon State finished 109th recruiting in 2021. Finishing 12-0 against "lesser" competition may be just what the doctor ordered. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 25, 2023 16:07:32 GMT -8
People DO put too much emphasis on star rating.....That said, it's a pretty good indication of how good your recruiting is. It's a lot harder to build a good team with SDSU recruits vs. Michigan's. Our recruiting momentum will likely be derailed losing P5 status......that is not doom, and gloom, that is how this thing works.....now, can we still build a competitive team? Absolutely!.....but it will be more difficult.....and with each resource we lose (coaches, revenue) it becomes that much more difficult......again, not doom, and gloom, just reality......I guess the glass half full look is our competition will be lesser, so it's all relative. Oregon State finished 109th recruiting in 2021. Finishing 12-0 against "lesser" competition may be just what the doctor ordered. I believe that ranking does not consider transfers, correct? Look, I get what you are trying to do here, but we lose P5 status, it will take us out of the running of some of the guys we are landing......it's just the nature of where you are on the food chain as a program, vs how many options a kid has. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 25, 2023 16:15:44 GMT -8
Oregon State finished 109th recruiting in 2021. Finishing 12-0 against "lesser" competition may be just what the doctor ordered. I believe that ranking does not consider transfers, correct? Look, I get what you are trying to do here, but we lose P5 status, it will take us out of the running of some of the guys we are landing......it's just the nature of where you are on the food chain as a program, vs how many options a kid has. Cincinnati outrecruited Oregon State in 2020. Oregon State does not kill it in recruiting in any sport but basketball. It is the nature of being a small fish in the large pond that is the Pac-12. The Beavers can potentially recruit even better as a the best Group of Five school that there is than they ever could as a bottom-wrung Pac-12 team. If you want think that the glass is half-empty, you may be right. It's still at least half-full to me. |
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Post by irimi on Aug 25, 2023 16:28:33 GMT -8
I think we have different ideas of just fine. We have made it to this unique spot in our history where we enter a season ranked, get a highly touted transfer QB, and have fans dreaming of a play for the national championship. The buzz around the program is real and it is exciting. We’re seeing better recruits and less fall off between first and second string. Another ten plus win season and we’ll be in good shape to bring in more and more top players. Moving to the MWC, I think, means that we will have traditional Beaver types of players. They’ll be “just fine” and some will probably work hard and be stars, but I doubt that we’d ever reach our former brothers (USC, UW…) in terms of recruits and/or wins. But we’ll be fine. Sure. Just not a national force. Tulane took down USC last year in the Cotton Bowl, literally one of two teams that can say that, and the other is Ohio State. Cincinnati played #1 Alabama in the Cotton Bowl last year and is now in the Big 12. Central Florida beat #7 Auburn in the Peach Bowl in 2018 and is now in the Big 12. Houston beat #6 Baylor in the 2014 Fiesta Bowl and #9 Florida State in the Peach Bowl in 2016 and is now in the Big 12. TCU beat #5 Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl in 2011 (my son's literal birthday) and is now in the Big 12. Utah beat #4 Alabama in the Sugar Bowl in 2009 and is now in the Big 12. Boise State beat #7 Oklahoma in the 2007 Fiesta Bowl, TCU in the 2010 Fiesta Bowl, and Arizona in the 2014 Fiesta Bowl. Define "national force" I suppose. Good point but many of those teams are not perennial forces like the top teams of the Pac tend to be. For me, winning once every four years or maybe for a couple years here and there is “pretty good.” I want the Beavs to be in the conversation each year, now that we have come so far. “Pretty good” is making noise now and again largely because we have one or two key players. I’d rather see a solid team, much like what we are seeing now. |
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Post by irimi on Aug 25, 2023 16:33:22 GMT -8
I believe that ranking does not consider transfers, correct? Look, I get what you are trying to do here, but we lose P5 status, it will take us out of the running of some of the guys we are landing......it's just the nature of where you are on the food chain as a program, vs how many options a kid has. Cincinnati outrecruited Oregon State in 2020. Oregon State does not kill it in recruiting in any sport but basketball. It is the nature of being a small fish in the large pond that is the Pac-12. The Beavers can potentially recruit even better as a the best Group of Five school that there is than they ever could as a bottom-wrung Pac-12 team. If you want think that the glass is half-empty, you may be right. It's still at least half-full to me. ”Bottom wrung” is not a given. Baseball proved that. Basketball proved that even the top teams can fall on hard times. Football is showing that it takes vision, grit, and hard work, but we too can be a top tier team. Bottom wrung is a temporary state of mind. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 25, 2023 16:51:46 GMT -8
I believe that ranking does not consider transfers, correct? Look, I get what you are trying to do here, but we lose P5 status, it will take us out of the running of some of the guys we are landing......it's just the nature of where you are on the food chain as a program, vs how many options a kid has. Cincinnati outrecruited Oregon State in 2020. Oregon State does not kill it in recruiting in any sport but basketball. It is the nature of being a small fish in the large pond that is the Pac-12. The Beavers can potentially recruit even better as a the best Group of Five school that there is than they ever could as a bottom-wrung Pac-12 team. If you want think that the glass is half-empty, you may be right. It's still at least half-full to me. We are coming out of GAG to a rising program with Smith. I would argue the recruiting is at its highest it's ever been for our program.....the Pac survives as it was, that momentum continues.....now??? That's my point.....you can't look at the beginning of Smiths classes.....that's recovery from football hell |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 25, 2023 17:03:00 GMT -8
Cincinnati outrecruited Oregon State in 2020. Oregon State does not kill it in recruiting in any sport but basketball. It is the nature of being a small fish in the large pond that is the Pac-12. The Beavers can potentially recruit even better as a the best Group of Five school that there is than they ever could as a bottom-wrung Pac-12 team. If you want think that the glass is half-empty, you may be right. It's still at least half-full to me. We are coming out of GAG to a rising program with Smith. I would argue the recruiting is at its highest it's ever been for our program.....the Pac survives as it was, that momentum continues.....now??? That's my point.....you can't look at the beginning of Smiths classes.....that's recovery from football hell I would argue that Smith has more influence on the recruiting improvement than coming off of being the worst team in D1 ball. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Aug 25, 2023 17:19:21 GMT -8
Pre coffee post. Life goes on. With or without garnering garnish. Provided you don’t garner a garish garnish. Those things are horrible. Garner  |
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Post by irimi on Aug 25, 2023 17:20:18 GMT -8
We are coming out of GAG to a rising program with Smith. I would argue the recruiting is at its highest it's ever been for our program.....the Pac survives as it was, that momentum continues.....now??? That's my point.....you can't look at the beginning of Smiths classes.....that's recovery from football hell I would argue that Smith has more influence on the recruiting imorovement than coming off of being the worst team in D1 ball. Do you mean that Smith is responsible for our recruiting successes and not that we now have a winning program? How would you show that? I think they intertwined. But I think DJU wouldn’t come to the Beavs if we had a losing season or even a .500 season. That said, it’s clear that Smith recruits and develops good players. And he can make winners out of weaker athletes. So regardless, if we have Smith, we will field a competitive, never-give-up team. |
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Post by irimi on Aug 25, 2023 17:21:05 GMT -8
Provided you don’t garner a garish garnish. Those things are horrible. Garner One of the best. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Aug 25, 2023 17:31:12 GMT -8
With respect to recruiting, let me reiterate something I said earlier in another thread. I don't know exactly how many teams there are in the P5, so I'll just guess 65 and leave it at that. As things now stand, next year there will be a P4 with 61 teams, each of whom has a scholarship limitation of 85 ( ? guessing at that one too).
There will be 340 fewer scholarships available in the P4 conferences, and these are, generally, the types of kids we go after and get. Not going to attract too many 5 stars like DJ? We only get one of them about every 3rd leap year, so that's not really going to hurt us all that much.
Football recruiting-wise, if this was going to happen, it couldn't have come at a better time. We're coming off a 10 win season, an impressive win over perennial powerhouse Florida from the SEC in the bowl game, and we should be a very, very exciting team this year. Kids that were sophomores last year and juniors this one are going to be very aware of Oregon State.
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 25, 2023 17:35:59 GMT -8
589/20% of the NFL is G5 or lower level players. Any kid thinking a conference is the path to the NFL isn't someone that fits OSU's culture anyway. Plus, the one positive of the portal is players like DJU "grow up" and find that brand doesn't always equal fit. OSU will recruit just fine. I think we have different ideas of just fine. We have made it to this unique spot in our history where we enter a season ranked, get a highly touted transfer QB, and have fans dreaming of a play for the national championship. The buzz around the program is real and it is exciting. We’re seeing better recruits and less fall off between first and second string. Another ten plus win season and we’ll be in good shape to bring in more and more top players. Moving to the MWC, I think, means that we will have traditional Beaver types of players. They’ll be “just fine” and some will probably work hard and be stars, but I doubt that we’d ever reach our former brothers (USC, UW…) in terms of recruits and/or wins. But we’ll be fine. Sure. Just not a national force. A couple of 10 win seasons and you think OSU is suddenly going to jump into the top 20 recruiting classes? Really? OSU in a P5 conference is never going to be consistently a national force. Sorry to break it to you... 2000 then ?? OSU will never have the budget, NIL funds, or national brand to be a consistent national force. You can argue all you want but OSU was on a better track than one 10 win season previously and solidly in P5 conference. Didn't happen. And, I'll argue this isn't some unique point in program history. OSU football has had several "spurts" of national relevance. Just never a consistent national power. MWC may be beneath what you think OSU deserves. But, P5 or not OSU is not another 10 win season from being a national force. On the field or the recruiting trail. Next thing we're going to hear is that anything less than 10 wins was caused by the conference breakup. That the coaches and players just couldn't overcome it. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 25, 2023 17:37:17 GMT -8
I would argue that Smith has more influence on the recruiting imorovement than coming off of being the worst team in D1 ball. Do you mean that Smith is responsible for our recruiting successes and not that we now have a winning program? How would you show that? I think they intertwined. But I think DJU wouldn’t come to the Beavs if we had a losing season or even a .500 season. That said, it’s clear that Smith recruits and develops good players. And he can make winners out of weaker athletes. So regardless, if we have Smith, we will field a competitive, never-give-up team. We did not have a winning team until 2 years ago. DJU may have come here after last year's success... but we won 10 games last year largely with his recruits from "bad" times. DJU aslo said he was attracted to the offense. Very little of that changes after this season. As long as Jonathan, and hopefully his assistant hires, sticks around and he's invested in being here, I don't think there will be a huge drop-off. |
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