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Post by beaver55to7 on Aug 23, 2023 13:21:42 GMT -8
Things have changed since 2015,2016. SEC nil money and transfer portal is allowing the SEC to develop a stranglehold on Omaha. G5 teams might never make those runs again, trying to hold onto top pitching etc on their teams may become out of reach as the p4 teams relentlessly poach g5 talent. Portal and NIL may have changed, but what "stranglehold"  Once invited you have to win, and in baseball the best team does not always do that. Since 2009, six years before your alleged change, to 2022, six years after... bids have not changed significantly. SEC and ACC have always combined for 14-18 bids... SEC 7-9 before '15-16, and 7-10 after. Omaha is also pretty much the same EXCEPT there are far fewer of the non P5 teams getting to the CWS. The SEC averaged just under 3 teams/CWS each year prior to your demarcation, and 3 teams afterward. The ACC, Pac12 have held pretty consistent at under 2 teams per CWS. It's the B12 that has actually has an uptick... (5) teams appearing '09-15, and (10) teams '16-22. The SEC has won the last 4 titles, 5 of the last 7 since 2015. They won 4 of the 7 before that '09-15. Because they play good baseball in generally great weather, against great competition. The SEC, ACC, B12, and Pac10/12 have pretty much been the conferences to fill the CWS because they play the best overall baseball. If you want to look at real timeline change it has zero to do with the portal and NIL. It appears in 2008 or so the rest of the SEC decided to put some emphasis on baseball??? Prior to 2010 SEC baseball was LSU (titles in '91, '93, '96, '97, '00, '09). Georgia did have a title in '90. Then SCar. won back to back in '10 & '11 and it's been off to the races since. ok, this conversation is going all different sideways. The point I think that is being made is that the SEC is pretty dang dominating in Omaha now and the forseable future, and it will be much tougher to compete with them if we end up in the MWC. Obviously, none of us have much choice in the matter, but unless someone donates 100 million plus or minus to endow OSU baseball NIL money and coaching staff salaries, the future is going to be a whole lot tougher for our baseball team. Keeping coaches especially in this new world is going to be absolutely brutal. With SEC and b1g teams making $80 to $100 million more then us in media money alone, and coaches still being the number one benificiary of that pile of cash the pressure will be immense. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 23, 2023 13:24:11 GMT -8
Portal and NIL may have changed, but what "stranglehold" Once invited you have to win, and in baseball the best team does not always do that. Since 2009, six years before your alleged change, to 2022, six years after... bids have not changed significantly. SEC and ACC have always combined for 14-18 bids... SEC 7-9 before '15-16, and 7-10 after. Omaha is also pretty much the same EXCEPT there are far fewer of the non P5 teams getting to the CWS. The SEC averaged just under 3 teams/CWS each year prior to your demarcation, and 3 teams afterward. The ACC, Pac12 have held pretty consistent at under 2 teams per CWS. It's the B12 that has actually has an uptick... (5) teams appearing '09-15, and (10) teams '16-22. The SEC has won the last 4 titles, 5 of the last 7 since 2015. They won 4 of the 7 before that '09-15. Because they play good baseball in generally great weather, against great competition. The SEC, ACC, B12, and Pac10/12 have pretty much been the conferences to fill the CWS because they play the best overall baseball. If you want to look at real timeline change it has zero to do with the portal and NIL. It appears in 2008 or so the rest of the SEC decided to put some emphasis on baseball??? Prior to 2010 SEC baseball was LSU (titles in '91, '93, '96, '97, '00, '09). Georgia did have a title in '90. Then SCar. won back to back in '10 & '11 and it's been off to the races since. ok, this conversation is going all different sideways. The point I think that is being made is that the SEC is pretty dang dominating in Omaha now and the forseable future, and it will be much tougher to compete with them if we end up in the MWC. Obviously, none of us have much choice in the matter, but unless someone donates 100 million plus or minus to endow OSU baseball NIL money and coaching staff salaries, the future is going to be a whole lot tougher for our baseball team. Keeping coaches especially in this new world is going to be absolutely brutal. With SEC and b1g teams making $80 to $100 million more then us in media money alone, and coaches still being the number one benificiary of that pile of cash the pressure will be immense. Hey, stop being realistic. You'll get labeled as someone who is giving up on the program |
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 23, 2023 13:34:02 GMT -8
Portal and NIL may have changed, but what "stranglehold" Once invited you have to win, and in baseball the best team does not always do that. Since 2009, six years before your alleged change, to 2022, six years after... bids have not changed significantly. SEC and ACC have always combined for 14-18 bids... SEC 7-9 before '15-16, and 7-10 after. Omaha is also pretty much the same EXCEPT there are far fewer of the non P5 teams getting to the CWS. The SEC averaged just under 3 teams/CWS each year prior to your demarcation, and 3 teams afterward. The ACC, Pac12 have held pretty consistent at under 2 teams per CWS. It's the B12 that has actually has an uptick... (5) teams appearing '09-15, and (10) teams '16-22. The SEC has won the last 4 titles, 5 of the last 7 since 2015. They won 4 of the 7 before that '09-15. Because they play good baseball in generally great weather, against great competition. The SEC, ACC, B12, and Pac10/12 have pretty much been the conferences to fill the CWS because they play the best overall baseball. If you want to look at real timeline change it has zero to do with the portal and NIL. It appears in 2008 or so the rest of the SEC decided to put some emphasis on baseball??? Prior to 2010 SEC baseball was LSU (titles in '91, '93, '96, '97, '00, '09). Georgia did have a title in '90. Then SCar. won back to back in '10 & '11 and it's been off to the races since. ok, this conversation is going all different sideways. The point I think that is being made is that the SEC is pretty dang dominating in Omaha now and the forseable future, and it will be much tougher to compete with them if we end up in the MWC. Obviously, none of us have much choice in the matter, but unless someone donates 100 million plus or minus to endow OSU baseball NIL money and coaching staff salaries, the future is going to be a whole lot tougher for our baseball team. Keeping coaches especially in this new world is going to be absolutely brutal. With SEC and b1g teams making $80 to $100 million more then us in media money alone, and coaches still being the number one benificiary of that pile of cash the pressure will be immense. Our baseball head coaching position is endowed. |
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Post by beaver55to7 on Aug 23, 2023 13:50:59 GMT -8
ok, this conversation is going all different sideways. The point I think that is being made is that the SEC is pretty dang dominating in Omaha now and the forseable future, and it will be much tougher to compete with them if we end up in the MWC. Obviously, none of us have much choice in the matter, but unless someone donates 100 million plus or minus to endow OSU baseball NIL money and coaching staff salaries, the future is going to be a whole lot tougher for our baseball team. Keeping coaches especially in this new world is going to be absolutely brutal. With SEC and b1g teams making $80 to $100 million more then us in media money alone, and coaches still being the number one benificiary of that pile of cash the pressure will be immense. Our baseball head coaching position is endowed. The retired Kiewit guys are going to have to come up with a lot more money (fortunately I'm still working) |
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Post by beaver94 on Aug 23, 2023 14:57:23 GMT -8
Our baseball head coaching position is endowed. The retired Kiewit guys are going to have to come up with a lot more money (fortunately I'm still working) NVIDIA did just post revenue of 13 billion vs the expected 11 billion for last quarter. Maybe Mr. Huang needs a tax right off. |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 23, 2023 15:42:57 GMT -8
Portal and NIL may have changed, but what "stranglehold" Once invited you have to win, and in baseball the best team does not always do that. Since 2009, six years before your alleged change, to 2022, six years after... bids have not changed significantly. SEC and ACC have always combined for 14-18 bids... SEC 7-9 before '15-16, and 7-10 after. Omaha is also pretty much the same EXCEPT there are far fewer of the non P5 teams getting to the CWS. The SEC averaged just under 3 teams/CWS each year prior to your demarcation, and 3 teams afterward. The ACC, Pac12 have held pretty consistent at under 2 teams per CWS. It's the B12 that has actually has an uptick... (5) teams appearing '09-15, and (10) teams '16-22. The SEC has won the last 4 titles, 5 of the last 7 since 2015. They won 4 of the 7 before that '09-15. Because they play good baseball in generally great weather, against great competition. The SEC, ACC, B12, and Pac10/12 have pretty much been the conferences to fill the CWS because they play the best overall baseball. If you want to look at real timeline change it has zero to do with the portal and NIL. It appears in 2008 or so the rest of the SEC decided to put some emphasis on baseball??? Prior to 2010 SEC baseball was LSU (titles in '91, '93, '96, '97, '00, '09). Georgia did have a title in '90. Then SCar. won back to back in '10 & '11 and it's been off to the races since. ok, this conversation is going all different sideways. The point I think that is being made is that the SEC is pretty dang dominating in Omaha now and the forseable future, and it will be much tougher to compete with them if we end up in the MWC. Obviously, none of us have much choice in the matter, but unless someone donates 100 million plus or minus to endow OSU baseball NIL money and coaching staff salaries, the future is going to be a whole lot tougher for our baseball team. Keeping coaches especially in this new world is going to be absolutely brutal. With SEC and b1g teams making $80 to $100 million more then us in media money alone, and coaches still being the number one benificiary of that pile of cash the pressure will be immense. The SEC "challenge" won't change because OSU is not in the Pac12 any longer. Baseball just doesn't get the NIL dollars period. If you're thinking some other conference move is going to minimize the chasm, it's not. OSU has competed and excelled for over a decade with "less". OSU had an amazing run, longer than most other elite programs. But, some seem to think Omaha can be a regular thing. Even with big $ it is not. And, the whole OSU vs the SEC discussion is ludicrous. OSU doesn't compete against the SEC. It faces one team at a time, and once between the lines $ don't matter. Performance isn't guaranteed by some "NIL" deal as proven by the '22 regional. According to your money theory OSU should have been wiped off the field by LSU. Nope! ORU should have never, ever made the CWS field. OSU wasn't and never will be in the top tier when it comes to $... budgets, TV, NIL. And, they'll continue to compete just fine. Are the doomsday crowd on this site really fans? Just looking for future excuses when things don't go OSU's way? Or, just have very little faith in our programs... coaches & athletes? Come back in a few years and either pat yourself on the back for your pessimism being accurate. Or eat crow when OSU still makes the postseason on a regular basis. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 23, 2023 16:07:58 GMT -8
ok, this conversation is going all different sideways. The point I think that is being made is that the SEC is pretty dang dominating in Omaha now and the forseable future, and it will be much tougher to compete with them if we end up in the MWC. Obviously, none of us have much choice in the matter, but unless someone donates 100 million plus or minus to endow OSU baseball NIL money and coaching staff salaries, the future is going to be a whole lot tougher for our baseball team. Keeping coaches especially in this new world is going to be absolutely brutal. With SEC and b1g teams making $80 to $100 million more then us in media money alone, and coaches still being the number one benificiary of that pile of cash the pressure will be immense. The SEC "challenge" won't change because OSU is not in the Pac12 any longer. Baseball just doesn't get the NIL dollars period. If you're thinking some other conference move is going to minimize the chasm, it's not. OSU has competed and excelled for over a decade with "less". OSU had an amazing run, longer than most other elite programs. But, some seem to think Omaha can be a regular thing. Even with big $ it is not. And, the whole OSU vs the SEC discussion is ludicrous. OSU doesn't compete against the SEC. It faces one team at a time, and once between the lines $ don't matter. Performance isn't guaranteed by some "NIL" deal as proven by the '22 regional. According to your money theory OSU should have been wiped off the field by LSU. Nope! ORU should have never, ever made the CWS field. OSU wasn't and never will be in the top tier when it comes to $... budgets, TV, NIL. And, they'll continue to compete just fine. Are the doomsday crowd on this site really fans? Just looking for future excuses when things don't go OSU's way? Or, just have very little faith in our programs... coaches & athletes? Come back in a few years and either pat yourself on the back for your pessimism being accurate. Or eat crow when OSU still makes the postseason on a regular basis. Dude you need to pipe down. The only thing worse than an eternal pessimist( I admit I'm not far off from this!) is someone who constantly questions other fans dedication when they vent......it becomes obnoxious. Do you really think people on this forum are not real Beaver fans? I mean aside from the occasional troll, we are tied to this University.......we don't need you to be the moral compass for us. Thanks anyway. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 23, 2023 16:11:56 GMT -8
Things have changed since 2015,2016. SEC nil money and transfer portal is allowing the SEC to develop a stranglehold on Omaha. G5 teams might never make those runs again, trying to hold onto top pitching etc on their teams may become out of reach as the p4 teams relentlessly poach g5 talent. Portal and NIL may have changed, but what "stranglehold" Once invited you have to win, and in baseball the best team does not always do that. Since 2009, six years before your alleged change, to 2022, six years after... bids have not changed significantly. SEC and ACC have always combined for 14-18 bids... SEC 7-9 before '15-16, and 7-10 after. Omaha is also pretty much the same EXCEPT there are far fewer of the non P5 teams getting to the CWS. The SEC averaged just under 3 teams/CWS each year prior to your demarcation, and 3 teams afterward. The ACC, Pac12 have held pretty consistent at under 2 teams per CWS. It's the B12 that has actually has an uptick... (5) teams appearing '09-15, and (10) teams '16-22. The SEC has won the last 4 titles, 5 of the last 7 since 2015. They won 4 of the 7 before that '09-15. Because they play good baseball in generally great weather, against great competition. The SEC, ACC, B12, and Pac10/12 have pretty much been the conferences to fill the CWS because they play the best overall baseball. If you want to look at real timeline change it has zero to do with the portal and NIL. It appears in 2008 or so the rest of the SEC decided to put some emphasis on baseball??? Prior to 2010 SEC baseball was LSU (titles in '91, '93, '96, '97, '00, '09). Georgia did have a title in '90. Then SCar. won back to back in '10 & '11 and it's been off to the races since. To put a finer point on what you are saying, the SEC has had at least one team play in the National Championship Game in 14 of the previous 15 Tournaments. The only exception was 2016, when only #1 Florida made it to Omaha and went 2 & Q. That 2016 season, though, highlights the advantages that overrated SEC teams get in the Tournament. Ole Miss and Vandy did not escape their own regionals. And Mississippi State, South Carolina, and Texas A&M did not escape their own supers. Ridiculous that four SEC teams would host supers and six SEC teams would host regionals in 2016. But there they were hosting anyway. Freaking joke. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 23, 2023 16:16:19 GMT -8
Oregon State baseball was not on TV enough for it to make a difference. I don't believe that there will really be less money. Not sure I'm following your logic... College baseball is not a revenue sport except for maybe a handful of SEC schools? I'm pretty sure our program is about break even. Since we will have less $$$ across the board in our AD, there will likely be less $$$ available for all sports, including baseball. Oregon State baseball is self-supporting. They are one of a handful of programs that is self-supporting at Oregon State. The only thing that will change is less the money for the loss of television revenue, whatever that was. That might be $0. I worry about football, because they would be hit the most with a smaller media deal. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 23, 2023 16:20:08 GMT -8
Not sure I'm following your logic... College baseball is not a revenue sport except for maybe a handful of SEC schools? I'm pretty sure our program is about break even. Since we will have less $$$ across the board in our AD, there will likely be less $$$ available for all sports, including baseball. Oregon State baseball is self-supporting. They are one of a handful of programs that is self-supporting at Oregon State. The only thing that will change is less the money for the loss of television revenue, whatever that was. That might be $0. I worry about football, because they would be hit the most with a smaller media deal. I've not heard this. So you're telling me ticket sales cover the bill? Maybe beer sales put it over the top? |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 23, 2023 16:28:00 GMT -8
Oregon State baseball is self-supporting. They are one of a handful of programs that is self-supporting at Oregon State. The only thing that will change is less the money for the loss of television revenue, whatever that was. That might be $0. I worry about football, because they would be hit the most with a smaller media deal. I've not heard this. So you're telling me ticket sales cover the bill? Maybe beer sales put it over the top? Oregon State baseball generated $3,491,793 in revenue in 2021-22. Oregon State almost always zeros out Oregon State's baseball revenue, but you can probably get almost as far with slightly less "revenue." |
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 23, 2023 17:17:48 GMT -8
I've not heard this. So you're telling me ticket sales cover the bill? Maybe beer sales put it over the top? Oregon State baseball generated $3,491,793 in revenue in 2021-22. Oregon State almost always zeros out Oregon State's baseball revenue, but you can probably get almost as far with slightly less "revenue." They don’t just “zero it out”. They still lose money. Not a lot, but they do lose money. Stick to litigation. Stay out of accounting. Football and Men’s basketball are still the only sports that make money. And the basketball $$ is shrinking. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 23, 2023 17:28:49 GMT -8
Oregon State baseball generated $3,491,793 in revenue in 2021-22. Oregon State almost always zeros out Oregon State's baseball revenue, but you can probably get almost as far with slightly less "revenue." They don’t just “zero it out”. They still lose money. Not a lot, but they do lose money. Stick to litigation. Stay out of accounting. Football and Men’s basketball are still the only sports that make money. And the basketball $$ is shrinking. Accountants show their numbers, when the lawyers ask. Cite your sources. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 23, 2023 17:30:20 GMT -8
They don’t just “zero it out”. They still lose money. Not a lot, but they do lose money. Stick to litigation. Stay out of accounting. Football and Men’s basketball are still the only sports that make money. And the basketball $$ is shrinking. Accountants show their numbers, when the lawyers ask. Cite your sources. [b I don’t take orders from attorneys. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 23, 2023 17:36:55 GMT -8
I don't know what year this is from, but it has very close expense numbers to that 3 million + number, but revenues of only a bit above a half million. www.collegefactual.com/colleges/oregon-state-university/student-life/sports/#:~:text=Oregon%20State%20Men's%20Baseball&text=On%20the%20money%20side%20of,out%20%243%2C278%2C910%20in%20total%20expenses. I can't readily find the revenue/expense numbers for baseball from an OSU source. It could be revenues could be dramatically different based on post season success? I kind of wonder about any sources outside of those directly from the university. |
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Once invited you have to win, and in baseball the best team does not always do that. Since 2009, six years before your alleged change, to 2022, six years after... bids have not changed significantly. SEC and ACC have always combined for 14-18 bids... SEC 7-9 before '15-16, and 7-10 after.
