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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 23, 2023 5:51:31 GMT -8
What do Cal State Fullerton, Wichita State, Pepperdine, and . . . wait for it . . . Fresno State have in common? All have won the College World Series - Fresno in 2008. The only team relevant to what I said is Fresno...and they finished last year with an RPI of 175. They caught lightning in a bottle for one magical postseason run, 15 years ago. Since then? Nothing. Not a single team in the MWC finished with an RPI higher than 100 last year. Merging with some or all of the MWC will be the death knell for our baseball program. As Wilky points out, the AAC is a different story. If we care equally about baseball as we do football (which we should). we should be lobbying hard to focus way more on the AAC than the MWC. Baseball doesn’t make money. The AD can’t afford to care about it as much as football |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 23, 2023 6:16:42 GMT -8
I hope we can keep the baseball program hummin along.....thankfully we have the history. Gonna have to do it with less money. Oregon State baseball was not on TV enough for it to make a difference. I don't believe that there will really be less money. Not sure I'm following your logic... College baseball is not a revenue sport except for maybe a handful of SEC schools? I'm pretty sure our program is about break even. Since we will have less $$$ across the board in our AD, there will likely be less $$$ available for all sports, including baseball. |
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Post by cake on Aug 23, 2023 10:11:08 GMT -8
What do Cal State Fullerton, Wichita State, Pepperdine, and . . . wait for it . . . Fresno State have in common? All have won the College World Series - Fresno in 2008. The only team relevant to what I said is Fresno...and they finished last year with an RPI of 175. They caught lightning in a bottle for one magical postseason run, 15 years ago. Since then? Nothing. Not a single team in the MWC finished with an RPI higher than 100 last year. Merging with some or all of the MWC will be the death knell for our baseball program. As Wilky points out, the AAC is a different story. If we care equally about baseball as we do football (which we should). we should be lobbying hard to focus way more on the AAC than the MWC.
I agree the Mountain West is weak in baseball.
But Fresno State was #30 in RPI in 2019. Their non conference RPI was #15 that year. Nevada has been in the top 100 very recently. Same with SDSU. Even New Mexico.
As recently as 2021, they had 3 of their 7 teams finish in the top 100 in RPI. In 2022, they had 2.
Aside from East Carolina, what has the AAC really done? Last year Wichita State was #110, Memphis #144, Tulane #157 and USF #161. I guess UTSA is coming in next year, they were #73. Charlotte was 90 something.
Neither option by itself is very good right now and anybody we join better step up their scheduling a lot.
I think having an eastern and western front makes sense, but maybe we don't take all the Mountain West.
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 23, 2023 10:35:51 GMT -8
What do Cal State Fullerton, Wichita State, Pepperdine, and . . . wait for it . . . Fresno State have in common? All have won the College World Series - Fresno in 2008. The only team relevant to what I said is Fresno...and they finished last year with an RPI of 175. They caught lightning in a bottle for one magical postseason run, 15 years ago. Since then? Nothing. Not a single team in the MWC finished with an RPI higher than 100 last year. Merging with some or all of the MWC will be the death knell for our baseball program. As Wilky points out, the AAC is a different story. If we care equally about baseball as we do football (which we should). we should be lobbying hard to focus way more on the AAC than the MWC. So you play a better, far better than lately, NC schedule. Travelling all the way East makes zero sense. NONE. And, unless renegotiated the AAC media deal will not pay for extra teams to be added. So, you want to move East for JUST baseball, for maybe far less (net) after travel?? If you have not figured it out, FB drives the bus. Baseball even at our current level doesn't break even. Money matters. OSU baseball will remain relevant as long as they win. And according to your expert analysis they should have no issue in league play. So, they just have to up the NC schedule... like regular H/A vs UCLA, UCSB, Irvine, SD St, LB St, GCU, Zags, ASU, Zona, Fullerton, Furd(?), DBU, TCU, A&M, etc... all solid to very good programs that actually prep you for post season play. |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 23, 2023 10:36:32 GMT -8
The only team relevant to what I said is Fresno...and they finished last year with an RPI of 175. They caught lightning in a bottle for one magical postseason run, 15 years ago. Since then? Nothing. Not a single team in the MWC finished with an RPI higher than 100 last year. Merging with some or all of the MWC will be the death knell for our baseball program. As Wilky points out, the AAC is a different story. If we care equally about baseball as we do football (which we should). we should be lobbying hard to focus way more on the AAC than the MWC. Baseball doesn’t make money. The AD can’t afford to care about it as much as football More concise version of my post!! |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 23, 2023 10:46:33 GMT -8
The only team relevant to what I said is Fresno...and they finished last year with an RPI of 175. They caught lightning in a bottle for one magical postseason run, 15 years ago. Since then? Nothing. Not a single team in the MWC finished with an RPI higher than 100 last year. Merging with some or all of the MWC will be the death knell for our baseball program. As Wilky points out, the AAC is a different story. If we care equally about baseball as we do football (which we should). we should be lobbying hard to focus way more on the AAC than the MWC.
I agree the Mountain West is weak in baseball.
But Fresno State was #30 in RPI in 2019. Their non conference RPI was #15 that year. Nevada has been in the top 100 very recently. Same with SDSU. Even New Mexico.
As recently as 2021, they had 3 of their 7 teams finish in the top 100 in RPI. In 2022, they had 2.
Aside from East Carolina, what has the AAC really done? Last year Wichita State was #110, Memphis #144, Tulane #157 and USF #161. I guess UTSA is coming in next year, they were #73. Charlotte was 90 something.
Neither option by itself is very good right now and anybody we join better step up their scheduling a lot.
I think having an eastern and western front makes sense, but maybe we don't take all the Mountain West.
Our RPI for conference would be junk......would have to play a crazy non conf schedule to balance |
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 23, 2023 11:00:02 GMT -8
I don't get the ho-hum optimism about our baseball program. When it comes to baseball, the Mountain West SUCKS. Getting saddled with teams from that conference will cut our storied program off at the knees. We're in deep sh!t here folks, on multiple fronts, and I honestly don't see any way out of it. There's a reason Stanford will accept a $0 media cut to avoid getting saddled with that conference. Honestly, I think we should be pursuing similarly drastic measures.... What do Cal State Fullerton, Wichita State, Pepperdine, and . . . wait for it . . . Fresno State have in common? All have won the College World Series - Fresno in 2008. You also left out Coastal Carolina in 2016. The issue would be that it will be much harder than host unless you really ramp up the non conference schedule. But, it doesn't mean that Omaha would be out of reach. |
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Post by beaver55to7 on Aug 23, 2023 11:29:30 GMT -8
What do Cal State Fullerton, Wichita State, Pepperdine, and . . . wait for it . . . Fresno State have in common? All have won the College World Series - Fresno in 2008. You also left out Coastal Carolina in 2016. The issue would be that it will be much harder than host unless you really ramp up the non conference schedule. But, it doesn't mean that Omaha would be out of reach. Things have changed since 2015,2016. SEC nil money and transfer portal is allowing the SEC to develop a stranglehold on Omaha. G5 teams might never make those runs again, trying to hold onto top pitching etc on their teams may become out of reach as the p4 teams relentlessly poach g5 talent. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 23, 2023 12:16:58 GMT -8
You also left out Coastal Carolina in 2016. The issue would be that it will be much harder than host unless you really ramp up the non conference schedule. But, it doesn't mean that Omaha would be out of reach. Things have changed since 2015,2016. SEC nil money and transfer portal is allowing the SEC to develop a stranglehold on Omaha. G5 teams might never make those runs again, trying to hold onto top pitching etc on their teams may become out of reach as the p4 teams relentlessly poach g5 talent. Oral Roberts went to Omaha this year. And, the NIL issue wouldn't have changed even if the Pac 12 moved forward. We don't have the money to compete with those schools. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 23, 2023 12:20:45 GMT -8
Things have changed since 2015,2016. SEC nil money and transfer portal is allowing the SEC to develop a stranglehold on Omaha. G5 teams might never make those runs again, trying to hold onto top pitching etc on their teams may become out of reach as the p4 teams relentlessly poach g5 talent. Oral Roberts went to Omaha this year. And, the NIL issue wouldn't have changed even if the Pac 12 moved forward. We don't have the money to compete with those schools. Well, we are worse off now then we were in the Pac12 |
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 23, 2023 12:24:15 GMT -8
Oral Roberts went to Omaha this year. And, the NIL issue wouldn't have changed even if the Pac 12 moved forward. We don't have the money to compete with those schools. Well, we are worse off now then we were in the Pac12 We are still in the Pac 12.  But, yes, probably. And yes, it pisses me off too. But, we have no control over this s%#t. Just have to hope for the best. |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 23, 2023 12:25:22 GMT -8
You also left out Coastal Carolina in 2016. The issue would be that it will be much harder than host unless you really ramp up the non conference schedule. But, it doesn't mean that Omaha would be out of reach. Things have changed since 2015,2016. SEC nil money and transfer portal is allowing the SEC to develop a stranglehold on Omaha. G5 teams might never make those runs again, trying to hold onto top pitching etc on their teams may become out of reach as the p4 teams relentlessly poach g5 talent. Portal and NIL may have changed, but what "stranglehold"  Once invited you have to win, and in baseball the best team does not always do that. Since 2009, six years before your alleged change, to 2022, six years after... bids have not changed significantly. SEC and ACC have always combined for 14-18 bids... SEC 7-9 before '15-16, and 7-10 after. Omaha is also pretty much the same EXCEPT there are far fewer of the non P5 teams getting to the CWS. The SEC averaged just under 3 teams/CWS each year prior to your demarcation, and 3 teams afterward. The ACC, Pac12 have held pretty consistent at under 2 teams per CWS. It's the B12 that has actually has an uptick... (5) teams appearing '09-15, and (10) teams '16-22. The SEC has won the last 4 titles, 5 of the last 7 since 2015. They won 4 of the 7 before that '09-15. Because they play good baseball in generally great weather, against great competition. The SEC, ACC, B12, and Pac10/12 have pretty much been the conferences to fill the CWS because they play the best overall baseball. If you want to look at real timeline change it has zero to do with the portal and NIL. It appears in 2008 or so the rest of the SEC decided to put some emphasis on baseball??? Prior to 2010 SEC baseball was LSU (titles in '91, '93, '96, '97, '00, '09). Georgia did have a title in '90. Then SCar. won back to back in '10 & '11 and it's been off to the races since. |
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Post by easyheat on Aug 23, 2023 12:58:56 GMT -8
Barnes didn't hire Duryea, he promoted him. Stu Morrill was retiring, Barnes was leaving, so he filled the vacancy by promoting Duryea who was Stu's assistant for years.
Tinkle? Well that's on Barnes.
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 23, 2023 12:59:57 GMT -8
Barnes didn't hire Duryea, he promoted him. Stu Morrill was retiring, Barnes was leaving, so he filled the vacancy by promoting Duryea who was Stu's assistant for years. Tinkle? Well that's on Barnes. Barnes didn't hire Tinkle either. |
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Post by beaver55to7 on Aug 23, 2023 13:03:45 GMT -8
Things have changed since 2015,2016. SEC nil money and transfer portal is allowing the SEC to develop a stranglehold on Omaha. G5 teams might never make those runs again, trying to hold onto top pitching etc on their teams may become out of reach as the p4 teams relentlessly poach g5 talent. Oral Roberts went to Omaha this year. And, the NIL issue wouldn't have changed even if the Pac 12 moved forward. We don't have the money to compete with those schools. Oral Roberts gets an asterick since they beat the ducks to get to Omaha. |
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Once invited you have to win, and in baseball the best team does not always do that. Since 2009, six years before your alleged change, to 2022, six years after... bids have not changed significantly. SEC and ACC have always combined for 14-18 bids... SEC 7-9 before '15-16, and 7-10 after.