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Post by 93beav on Aug 13, 2023 20:06:48 GMT -8
Academic success, while it would be great, is no longer a factor - unless Stanford and Cal say it is. Enforcing this breaks other characteristics. Significant market share in a large television market is also gone, depending upon what you consider large. I know people love to say Fresno controls Sacramento, but there is no evidence I've seen to support this. SMU only controls a fraction of Dallas (for now), but at least has potential. CSU controls part of Denver, but not the bulk - especially not with Deion at Colorado now. The geographic proximity could be accomplished through divisions. I continue to believe that the best path forward is the rumor floated the other day about SDSU wanting to form a conference out of the Pac-4, the best of the MW and the best of the AAC. Use divisions for all but maybe 1 or maybe 2 games to keep regionality and travel costs low, but it still allows you to get your team noticed in some other geographic regionality. You're going to need this if you want to enter national conversations. An only-west conference is already cursed by time zone, etc. If Cal and Stanford can deal with the commoners - Cal, Stanford, WSU and OSU, SDSU, CSU, and let's say UNLV and Fresno on the one side... on the other side SMU, Tulane, Memphis, UTSA and pick 4 on the other side. But doing this requires around a lot of buyout money. Also not sure there is enough media $$$ to go around. Sample OSU schedule: - OOC 1 - OOC 2 - OOC 3 - Cal - Fresno - SMU - SDSU - UNLV - Tulane - Stanford - CSU - WSU Olympic sports would still have plenty of places to play on the West coast, reducing travel costs and need for $$$. The problem here is that they'd have to vote to dissolve the MWC, and why would the teams not joining this new better conference do that? I think I read they'd need 9 votes. A full blown 16 team merger seems more likely? Although I maintain belief, based on nothing, that Stanford will never join a conference with universities that have trucking schools, and will do something on their own. edit: I see aggielarry already covered this. They don't have to vote to dissolve because they wouldn't dissolve. We'd just take MWC ones a year out from the AAC ones. |
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Post by 93beav on Aug 13, 2023 20:08:28 GMT -8
I like Jim, he's a very neutral guy, was in sports broadcasting for a long time, still has connections, etc. but the rumors / opinions he's floating make no sense...
If this were even remotely true, I'd think WSU/OSU would show Stanford the door.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 13, 2023 20:56:07 GMT -8
We accept them back. Otherwise, they would create another Pac conference which could leave us hurting. It sucks, but there’s no way around it. We would be joining them, not the other way around. I hope you are are one of the small minority in thinking that. It would kinda be a questionable move to join the MWC for 4 million a year in 2024. Apple offered 25 million a year per team for the Pac 9. I realize the remaining Pac teams with added teams to make a full conference won't have as much bargaining power as it did with UW, Utah and the dux on board, but it'd likey do far better than 4 million a team. AND... OSU, WSU, CAL and Stanford would be able to keep and split the post season residuals you apparently can't comprehend that will be coming in for 5 years. If the Pac goes bye bye and joins the MWC, that money is likely gone. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 14, 2023 12:59:35 GMT -8
I like Jim, he's a very neutral guy, was in sports broadcasting for a long time, still has connections, etc. but the rumors / opinions he's floating make no sense... If this were even remotely true, I'd think WSU/OSU would show Stanford the door. Lol. Two things: 1. The Bay Area is more valuable than Oregon State and Washington State combined. To try and excise the Bay Area teams would be like committing suicide. They are our life raft at this point. And you are talking about jumping overboard. 2. Oregon State and Washington State do not have the votes to get rid of anyone. They could both accept a bid to another conference to avoid what Stanford wants, but we are down to four with two very much allied.
As for AAU Universities, there are only three in the American: Rice, South Florida, and Tulane. There are none in the Mountain West. He also points out Navy, which has a huge national following, bigger than each of the teams in the remaining Pac-4. That would be a great add. Lots of history, too. Rather than continuing to raid American teams, at that point, you should add Army over anyone else, though. Tulane has a pretty large fan base, as does Southern Methodist. Memphis would probably be the next-best add, followed by, I guess Temple and South Florida. Rice is in Houston but does not give you the Houston market, and is a very small school. Tulsa is even smaller. An interesting school in the American, which is not brought up a lot is Texas-San Antonio.
You could add two or more schools out of the American and Army and then wait around for three years and add the Mountain West schools that you actually want, as opposed to taking 9+ schools out of the Mountain West right at this moment. If you could swing it, that is probably the way to go. The Mountain West's charter and contract make the individual schools a lot less flexible than the American, which is to the conference's benefit and the best teams' detriment. |
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Post by 93beav on Aug 14, 2023 14:00:29 GMT -8
I like Jim, he's a very neutral guy, was in sports broadcasting for a long time, still has connections, etc. but the rumors / opinions he's floating make no sense... If this were even remotely true, I'd think WSU/OSU would show Stanford the door. Lol. Two things: 1. The Bay Area is more valuable than Oregon State and Washington State combined. To try and excise the Bay Area teams would be like committing suicide. They are our life raft at this point. And you are talking about jumping overboard. 2. Oregon State and Washington State do not have the votes to get rid of anyone. They could both accept a bid to another conference to avoid what Stanford wants, but we are down to four with two very much allied.
As for AAU Universities, there are only three in the American: Rice, South Florida, and Tulane. There are none in the Mountain West. He also points out Navy, which has a huge national following, bigger than each of the teams in the remaining Pac-4. That would be a great add. Lots of history, too. Rather than continuing to raid American teams, at that point, you should add Army over anyone else, though. Tulane has a pretty large fan base, as does Southern Methodist. Memphis would probably be the next-best add, followed by, I guess Temple and South Florida. Rice is in Houston but does not give you the Houston market, and is a very small school. Tulsa is even smaller. An interesting school in the American, which is not brought up a lot is Texas-San Antonio.
You could add two or more schools out of the American and Army and then wait around for three years and add the Mountain West schools that you actually want, as opposed to taking 9+ schools out of the Mountain West right at this moment. If you could swing it, that is probably the way to go. The Mountain West's charter and contract make the individual schools a lot less flexible than the American, which is to the conference's benefit and the best teams' detriment.I respectfully disagree. Stanford and Cal aren't going to get us into any particular conference, they'd only get themselves. Without them, I'm still extremely confident both the MW or AAC would take us (although the travel in AAC would kill us). And Stanford/Cal might help a media deal, but they aren't going to carry it. The AAU comment is kind of my point about him being off in this series of comments. It's just not really possible. I still think from my earlier post you just take the best of the MW and AAC - if you can find the buyout money. Air Force on one side of the conference, Navy on the other would be interesting.... although I don't really understand why Stanford would be interested in Navy, TBH. UTSA got 60+ votes for the AP poll and they're investing a lot in their athletics department. I'd say they are probably a better bet than Rice in terms of Texas influence. |
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Post by sparty on Aug 14, 2023 18:58:57 GMT -8
Lol. Two things: 1. The Bay Area is more valuable than Oregon State and Washington State combined. To try and excise the Bay Area teams would be like committing suicide. They are our life raft at this point. And you are talking about jumping overboard. 2. Oregon State and Washington State do not have the votes to get rid of anyone. They could both accept a bid to another conference to avoid what Stanford wants, but we are down to four with two very much allied.
As for AAU Universities, there are only three in the American: Rice, South Florida, and Tulane. There are none in the Mountain West. He also points out Navy, which has a huge national following, bigger than each of the teams in the remaining Pac-4. That would be a great add. Lots of history, too. Rather than continuing to raid American teams, at that point, you should add Army over anyone else, though. Tulane has a pretty large fan base, as does Southern Methodist. Memphis would probably be the next-best add, followed by, I guess Temple and South Florida. Rice is in Houston but does not give you the Houston market, and is a very small school. Tulsa is even smaller. An interesting school in the American, which is not brought up a lot is Texas-San Antonio.
You could add two or more schools out of the American and Army and then wait around for three years and add the Mountain West schools that you actually want, as opposed to taking 9+ schools out of the Mountain West right at this moment. If you could swing it, that is probably the way to go. The Mountain West's charter and contract make the individual schools a lot less flexible than the American, which is to the conference's benefit and the best teams' detriment.I respectfully disagree. Stanford and Cal aren't going to get us into any particular conference, they'd only get themselves. Without them, I'm still extremely confident both the MW or AAC would take us (although the travel in AAC would kill us). And Stanford/Cal might help a media deal, but they aren't going to carry it. The AAU comment is kind of my point about him being off in this series of comments. It's just not really possible. I still think from my earlier post you just take the best of the MW and AAC - if you can find the buyout money. Air Force on one side of the conference, Navy on the other would be interesting.... although I don't really understand why Stanford would be interested in Navy, TBH. UTSA got 60+ votes for the AP poll and they're investing a lot in their athletics department. I'd say they are probably a better bet than Rice in terms of Texas influence. Canzano said something today about Cal and Stanford specifically. He said those two schools are not to be trusted in saying they are going to stay as the pac-4. I got thinking about it and I believe John is right on this. Only WSU can be trusted at this point. The other two are working other angles while winking at OSU and WSU. |
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