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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 12, 2023 10:39:18 GMT -8
Preserving & Rebuilding the PAC would be the greatest FU to those who abandoned the PAC. I realize a complete long shot, but at this point the fact that it is being examined as an option pleases me. I’d like to see them preserve the conference, do that Apple deal which would likely be closer to 14-16M a team because of the number of splits, then have it take off and hit outrageous escalators within a few years. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Aug 12, 2023 11:00:00 GMT -8
Preserving & Rebuilding the PAC would be the greatest FU to those who abandoned the PAC. I realize a complete long shot, but at this point the fact that it is being examined as an option pleases me. I’d like to see them preserve the conference, do that Apple deal which would likely be closer to 14-16M a team because of the number of splits, then have it take off and hit outrageous escalators within a few years. My thoughts exactly!!!! Tell me all you want about how it "makes sense" to just cave and join another conference, roll up the tents on the Pac12, become part of the problem and not the solution. Streaming is the future of television, and of television sports. Not dinosaur legacy TV. Their numbers look big now, but wait and see what happens to them in the next 10 years - or less. Unless they can control streaming and convert their current platforms, Apple TV, Hulu, FUBO, Amazon, etc - will ultimately eat their lunch. F Fox, ESPN, etc. for creating this sh*t show. And just as we don't do politics on this board - ESPN has been finding out why they should have stayed out of it as well. Ultimately, we as fans, come to enjoy sports to get away from politics. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 12, 2023 12:09:26 GMT -8
There are apparently already 110 million Augmented Reality (whatever that is) users in the US, and another 65 million Virtual Reality users in the US. Seems high to me, but what do I know. Apple is into that. If they start integrating that into football broadcasts, there will be football fans currently into AR & VR that will suscribe even if they aren't fans of the specific teams. There's really no telling where that could go, and meanwhile the other conferences are locked into "linear TV" contracts for years. This is the opportunity to get in on a technology leap years before the others. People think it will take ages to get popular. The very first Iphone release was June 29th 2007, not very long ago. It took America by storm. It could be a complete failure, and Apple was willing to guarantee money and a 3 year out clause. The upside potential is crazy. I think it's worth a risk if Apple is still willing to deal. www.zippia.com/advice/virtual-reality-statistics/ |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 12, 2023 12:22:36 GMT -8
There are apparently already 110 million Augmented Reality (whatever that is) users in the US, and another 65 million Virtual Reality users in the US. Seems high to me, but what do I know. Apple is into that. If they start integrating that into football broadcasts, there will be football fans currently into AR & VR that will suscribe even if they aren't fans of the specific teams. There's really no telling where that could go, and meanwhile the other conferences are locked into "linear TV" contracts for years. This is the opportunity to get in on a technology leap years before the others. People think it will take ages to get popular. The very first Iphone release was June 29th 2007, not very long ago. It took America by storm. It could be a complete failure, and Apple was willing to guarantee money and a 3 year out clause. The upside potential is crazy. I think it's worth a risk if Apple is still willing to deal. www.zippia.com/advice/virtual-reality-statistics/Being on the ground floor in a conference that would allow OSU continued successes without kowtowing to big time traditional media powers would be awesome. Lots of details, but if Apple really wanted to push into college sports you'd think a Pac4/MWC package would be a great start with a smaller investment. I think it was mentioned by another post, but why not let them buy the Pac12 network as well. Offer Apple the extra options of having linear broadcasts along with streaming? It could mean that they could come in at $15mil per teams for 5-6 years, then an additional purchase of the Pac12 Network in payments to the Pac4 members over those years. The minutia of said deal is for those in the know, but I could see it as a win/win for all involved. I know I've read of some hesitancy or going back and forth in the MWC in terms of expansion vs merger. I'm thinking the only hesitation is in that there is no media deal. If Apple come is a says... "You two conferences merge as is right now and we'll guarantee 12-15 mil/per team for 6 years, with escalator clauses for subscription levels, and....", I think the MWC accepts with very little resistance?? Maybe aggielarry or other MWC types would have a better perspective. |
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Post by aggielarry on Aug 12, 2023 12:35:46 GMT -8
I saw 9 somewhere so I'm parroting that. I did see a 70% vote could trigger it somewhere else, which could also lead to 9 teams if they include Hawaii in voting rights, as 8 votes would only be 67% if rounded up. My main point is, there are situations where the MWC teams would not have to pay a buyout. A little factoid I ran across last night. Surprisingly, UNLV has apparently gone 91 years without playing in a bowl game. That streak is about 3X any other FBS team in the country. And.... I just looked it up, that source was very wrong..... I don't care, it sounded cool. If it's 70%, I don't know why Hawai'i would get a full vote, because they are only an affiliate member. Whatever. Nine, I guess. You could cut Hawai'i and San Jose State and go to 14 or trim another team (Wyoming seems like a no brainer, although I believe that Colorado State really wants to remain in the same conference) and then add a 14th team from somewhere else (SMU?) to get to 14. And then you get everyone to agree on minimum standards that everyone has to hit to stay in the conference or get a full share. That way, we get the Pac-12's full share and the Mountain West's full share. Mountain West has a contract with CBS through 2026 that can be renegotiated, if the conference changes the number of teams. The number is nine. Disbanding the conference, which is what you're suggesting, requires a 3/4 vote of the full member schools. There are eleven full members. Hawaii is a football only affiliate, with no vote. So, to reach the 3/4 threshold, you need nine votes. There is no way to get the nine votes without guaranteeing those nine schools that they will have a place in the PAC-X. At this moment, there appears to be absolutely no appetite among MWC member schools for disbanding the MWC, except perhaps on the part of SDSU and Boise State. Why would the MWC make any concessions? We have a conference. We have a media deal. The clock is ticking on the PAC-4. You need football schedules for 2024 and beyond now. The NCAA would probably give you a two year grace period to get to the minimum of 8 schools. Why would any school move to the PAC-4 to create a PAC-8, with no media deal, likely paying a buy out, and knowing that Cal and Stanford will jump the instant the Big-10 or ACC makes the call? Any thought of poaching teams from another conference, with the possible exception of C-USA, is delusional. Time to deal with reality. |
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Post by aggielarry on Aug 12, 2023 12:40:01 GMT -8
There are apparently already 110 million Augmented Reality (whatever that is) users in the US, and another 65 million Virtual Reality users in the US. Seems high to me, but what do I know. Apple is into that. If they start integrating that into football broadcasts, there will be football fans currently into AR & VR that will suscribe even if they aren't fans of the specific teams. There's really no telling where that could go, and meanwhile the other conferences are locked into "linear TV" contracts for years. This is the opportunity to get in on a technology leap years before the others. People think it will take ages to get popular. The very first Iphone release was June 29th 2007, not very long ago. It took America by storm. It could be a complete failure, and Apple was willing to guarantee money and a 3 year out clause. The upside potential is crazy. I think it's worth a risk if Apple is still willing to deal. www.zippia.com/advice/virtual-reality-statistics/Being on the ground floor in a conference that would allow OSU continued successes without kowtowing to big time traditional media powers would be awesome. Lots of details, but if Apple really wanted to push into college sports you'd think a Pac4/MWC package would be a great start with a smaller investment. I think it was mentioned by another post, but why not let them buy the Pac12 network as well. Offer Apple the extra options of having linear broadcasts along with streaming? It could mean that they could come in at $15mil per teams for 5-6 years, then an additional purchase of the Pac12 Network in payments to the Pac4 members over those years. The minutia of said deal is for those in the know, but I could see it as a win/win for all involved. I know I've read of some hesitancy or going back and forth in the MWC in terms of expansion vs merger. I'm thinking the only hesitation is in that there is no media deal. If Apple come is a says... "You two conferences merge as is right now and we'll guarantee 12-15 mil/per team for 6 years, with escalator clauses for subscription levels, and....", I think the MWC accepts with very little resistance?? Maybe aggielarry or other MWC types would have a better perspective. I am almost 100% sure that the MWC would accept this deal as outlined in a heartbeat. Full merger of the two conferences with all 16 teams is about the only realistic option. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Aug 12, 2023 14:05:30 GMT -8
Being on the ground floor in a conference that would allow OSU continued successes without kowtowing to big time traditional media powers would be awesome. Lots of details, but if Apple really wanted to push into college sports you'd think a Pac4/MWC package would be a great start with a smaller investment. I think it was mentioned by another post, but why not let them buy the Pac12 network as well. Offer Apple the extra options of having linear broadcasts along with streaming? It could mean that they could come in at $15mil per teams for 5-6 years, then an additional purchase of the Pac12 Network in payments to the Pac4 members over those years. The minutia of said deal is for those in the know, but I could see it as a win/win for all involved. I know I've read of some hesitancy or going back and forth in the MWC in terms of expansion vs merger. I'm thinking the only hesitation is in that there is no media deal. If Apple come is a says... "You two conferences merge as is right now and we'll guarantee 12-15 mil/per team for 6 years, with escalator clauses for subscription levels, and....", I think the MWC accepts with very little resistance?? Maybe aggielarry or other MWC types would have a better perspective. I am almost 100% sure that the MWC would accept this deal as outlined in a heartbeat. Full merger of the two conferences with all 16 teams is about the only realistic option. If the MWC would accept the deal in a heartbeat it means one thing. The MWC is getting too much. The four pac teams should get more, alot more then giving each team the same. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Aug 12, 2023 14:12:41 GMT -8
I am almost 100% sure that the MWC would accept this deal as outlined in a heartbeat. Full merger of the two conferences with all 16 teams is about the only realistic option. If the MWC would accept the deal in a heartbeat it means one thing. The MWC is getting too much. Not if there are stipulations in the contract that mandate the extra dollars go to upgrading/ expanding their football/ basketball/ baseball facilities, staff and recruiting. The additional monies could be used to elevate those programs, much like the traitors that jumped ship are attempting to do. Anything that potentially creates greater parity in the college football world I am for, instead of the continued march towards polarization and have/ have not's.
*Edit - that does not include sharing the already committed, waiting to be paid dollars the remaining PAC teams are set to receive next August - those monies should be excluded, as the new teams did not earn it. In addition, some level of revenue sharing, where existing PAC teams get a larger share for the first 3-5 year contract, given the conference currently has an automatic bid as a P5 conference. Once the initial contract/ probationary time is up - then equal shares. And the contract, to be fair to joining teams, should have a stipulation that if any of the remaining 4 Pac members bail early, there is a steep buyout clause. No bolting of Cal/ Stanford, if they wish to participate - or pay a heavy price.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 12, 2023 14:21:38 GMT -8
I am almost 100% sure that the MWC would accept this deal as outlined in a heartbeat. Full merger of the two conferences with all 16 teams is about the only realistic option. If the MWC would accept the deal in a heartbeat it means one thing. The MWC is getting too much. The four pac teams should get more, alot more then giving each team the same. That's whe we do not dissolve the Pac. They dissolve the MWC and join the Pac. Existing Pac members set the terms. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Aug 12, 2023 14:21:43 GMT -8
If the MWC would accept the deal in a heartbeat it means one thing. The MWC is getting too much. Not if there are stipulations in the contract that mandate the extra dollars go to upgrading/ expanding their football/ basketball/ baseball facilities, staff and recruiting. The additional monies could be used to elevate those programs, much like the traitors that jumped ship are attempting to do. Anything that potentially creates greater parity in the college football world I am for, instead of the continued march towards polarization and have/ have not's.
*Edit - that does not include sharing the already committed, waiting to be paid dollars the remaining PAC teams are set to receive next August - those monies should be excluded, as the new teams did not earn it. In addition, some level of revenue sharing, where existing PAC teams get a larger share for the first 3-5 year contract, given the conference currently has an automatic bid as a P5 conference. Once the initial contract/ probationary time is up - then equal shares. And the contract, to be fair to joining teams, should have a stipulation that if any of the remaining 4 Pac members bail early, there is a steep buyout clause. No bolting of Cal/ Stanford, if they wish to participate - or pay a heavy price.
The "edit" sou n ds better. |
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Post by irimi on Aug 12, 2023 14:46:29 GMT -8
There are apparently already 110 million Augmented Reality (whatever that is) users in the US, and another 65 million Virtual Reality users in the US. Seems high to me, but what do I know. Apple is into that. If they start integrating that into football broadcasts, there will be football fans currently into AR & VR that will suscribe even if they aren't fans of the specific teams. There's really no telling where that could go, and meanwhile the other conferences are locked into "linear TV" contracts for years. This is the opportunity to get in on a technology leap years before the others. People think it will take ages to get popular. The very first Iphone release was June 29th 2007, not very long ago. It took America by storm. It could be a complete failure, and Apple was willing to guarantee money and a 3 year out clause. The upside potential is crazy. I think it's worth a risk if Apple is still willing to deal. www.zippia.com/advice/virtual-reality-statistics/If Apple is willing to continue talks, we should jump on it. In fact, we were stupid not to the first time around. But now having the Apple brand behind the Pac conference would be a huge plus. After all, it would only be to their advantage to see the Pac get stronger. |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 12, 2023 15:30:08 GMT -8
As far as the merger, from an person whose got no idea these insider details work...
-Pac 4 doesn't have leverage;
-MWC teams can begin with = $
-escaltors can provide increased revenue by viewership;
-Pac4 has extra $ coming in IF the MWC merges. Hence, the MWC is getting more media $ for allowing the Pac4 to continue to collect on residual $
-selling the Pac12 network could provide extra yearly revenue. And, Apple could buy it at a bargain price with viewership escalators.
If Apple is willing to talk in this mode... go for it. Even at $12-15 mil per team with the extra yearly revenue osu would be fine. Sell the Pac12 network even better.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Aug 12, 2023 15:34:32 GMT -8
There are NO buyout penalties if 9 or more of the MWC teams decide to go to the Pac. Other stuff may be in the works. Big news about the 4 remaining schools hiring a consultant tonight. Isn't the number seven? If seven or more MWC teams leave, there are no buyout penalties. Seven makes no sense. You may as well take seven and one other team or the full eight from the Mountain West. Eight would probably be: Air Force, Boise, Colorado State, Fresno, Nevada, San Diego State, UNLV, and Utah State. If one gets left out, it is probably Fresno, unless someone has a different read. Nobody in Sacramento or anywhere else watches Fresno. I could see Air Force, Fresno, and New Mexico shifting around. Hawai'i only plays in the Mountain West for football. San Jose State and Wyoming do not cut it, unless you buy San Jose State's baseball prowess. I'm good with that conference. In fact I kinda like it. If all Pac 4 stick together, they could make a legit argument to remain a P5 and garner a decent TV contract. However I think I read they are meeting next week and could vote the Pac 12 off out of A5 group. Doubt their is a new conference built by then. BTW...Fresno State is the 3rd highest watched mwc team behind BSU and CSU, and is the only member with 2 MWC championships in past 5 years. Including last year. Its typical Pac12/OSU elitist ignorance to omit Fresno over the likes of Utah State, Nevada, AF, etc  . Especially when right now OSU is the program that just got s%#t on by all of college football. There is a reason the Big 12 showed more interest in adding Fresno State than Oregon State. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 12, 2023 17:23:59 GMT -8
Kliavkoff and the 4 remaining Presidents and ADs should be on the phone constantly with their counterparts in the other Power 5 conferences saying "Hold your horses". If they are serious about this they should possibly go fairly public with any attempt to drop a 5th A5 conference before it has been organized.
Don't know if that'd help,but it may slow down the rumored meeting.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 12, 2023 20:45:32 GMT -8
I honestly don't care about all the details.......but if we can keep the Pac together by merging with the MW, and keep our football program intact,keep rollin in baseball, sounds good to me.......I would love to remain relevant, while giving the middle finger to the B1G and big 12 defectors.....I'm still skeptical the money will be there, but this would be best case scenario if it can work.
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. Especially when right now OSU is the program that just got s%#t on by all of college football.