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Post by cake on Aug 9, 2023 17:34:34 GMT -8
Small fish, big pond, eat your way to the top.
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Post by ag87 on Aug 9, 2023 17:50:31 GMT -8
I want to see us in a conference located in the Pacific and mountain time zones with a possible exception to schools inside Texas. I'd think there are other western universities with this vision who also want to compete at a high level. Unfortunately the obvious possibilities have too many ties to the rust belt. This forced the mountain zone universities to run to the gulf coast. I also believe the ASU and Utah presidents got bad financial advice.
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Post by alexm on Aug 9, 2023 18:01:23 GMT -8
Ummm, he's already considered one of the top young coaches in the country......and we are looking at a potential big season......and a huge loss of revenue......I expect to not be able to keep him....I could be wrong, but we just won't be able to pay him, period You may look at more of those type lists than me. But, I'm not sure JS is seen as a top young (under 40 type) nationally as OSU fan thinks. Again, complete guess, but JS could be, someday, be considered for mid tier or lower B12, B10, SEC job. Just don't see him leaving for that. And, he'll get paid more than adequately for living in Corvallis. To be honest... HC do far less "coaching" than most realize. Losing assistants is a far bigger concern of mine. JS's best job has been building this staff. Just giving you our point of view in Westwood, he’s probably the consensus #1 among UCLA fans as a potential Chip replacement given his ties to the area and his work at OSU. |
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Post by 93beav on Aug 9, 2023 18:28:49 GMT -8
Those are the only two options? Then I guess #1, but it's just not realistic.
If you think conference realignment was fun, wait until playoff realignment. The bigger conferences don't want to lose all that money. They'll make it darn near impossible for us to get in.
I think people also always look at just football. I like our baseball and women's basketball program and many, many years ago liked our basketball program. If we can fund those, great. If not, I think we're just always going to hope the football team has another miracle season. As someone put in another thread, the key is to kick ass this season and get as many people as possible to watch Oregon State games when not on Pac-12.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 9, 2023 19:48:31 GMT -8
That's what I'm sayin.....we are primed to take this thing to the next level, then this bulls%#t. It's hard to discuss this because... - definition of "next level; - anything that's not within said definition will be considering dissing on the program; That said, one 10 win season, a dominate bowl win over the FL JV team, one big time portal transfer, picked 5th(?) in Pac12 preseason poll... and OSU is "primed" for what exactly? Is the program much better? Yep. Is it anywhere near an elite, next level program? Nope. Coming off a 10-3 season, new Reser is indeed exciting, but... let's just not get over our skis too much. Dude, wtf are you talkin about?! You do remember the 2017 season, right? 1-11.....0-9 in conference.....the one win against Portland st. That we squeeeeaked out, and should've lost. From that, to last season.....now going into this season ranked for the first time since '13....dark horse pick to win the conference.....outside chance to make the playoff! I would say that's pretty dam exciting!! And then the conference falls apart.....besides the fact that this is a major distraction for the team, we don't even know where we will be in '24! The only thing we do know is we will have a significantly less amount of money for our sports programs. But you're over here saying no one is gonna poach Smith, and downplaying how good our program is........I think ur either slightly delusional, or you're on a fishin trip......if that's the case I took it hook, line, and sinker! Fyi, what I mean by next level is winning the conference......do you think that is out of reach? |
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Post by Angus on Aug 9, 2023 23:32:13 GMT -8
Biggest question is IMO, what fills Reser? What generates excitement in our fanbase? And maybe most importantly, what generates interest in a FUTURE OSU fanbase? Playing Wyoming/San Jose State's or Kansas State/BYUs every year?
IMO our fanbase continues to dwindle if we go the MWC route. Going the big12 way, at least we can get maybe a 40-60 percentage split of new fans versus UO, than almost zilch if we go MWC.
might be a new thread ... but what hasn't been brought up is... is the level of competition that much better in the big12? Just how much "harder" is it to get to a playoff spot in the big12 vs the MWC? Especially if the big12 gets two guaranteed spots.
And, we would still have to travel to Boise and Fresno in odd years... likely losses enough to knock us out of consideration right there.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 10, 2023 6:32:02 GMT -8
Biggest question is IMO, what fills Reser? What generates excitement in our fanbase? And maybe most importantly, what generates interest in a FUTURE OSU fanbase? Playing Wyoming/San Jose State's or Kansas State/BYUs every year? IMO our fanbase continues to dwindle if we go the MWC route. Going the big12 way, at least we can get maybe a 40-60 percentage split of new fans versus UO, than almost zilch if we go MWC. might be a new thread ... but what hasn't been brought up is... is the level of competition that much better in the big12? Just how much "harder" is it to get to a playoff spot in the big12 vs the MWC? Especially if the big12 gets two guaranteed spots. And, we would still have to travel to Boise and Fresno in odd years... likely losses enough to knock us out of consideration right there. Winning games, winning conference championships, winning bowl games, the same as before. The Big 12 isn't calling. Don't waste your summer praying in vain for a savior to rise from these streets. |
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Post by jrbeavo on Aug 10, 2023 6:49:20 GMT -8
It's hard to discuss this because... - definition of "next level; - anything that's not within said definition will be considering dissing on the program; That said, one 10 win season, a dominate bowl win over the FL JV team, one big time portal transfer, picked 5th(?) in Pac12 preseason poll... and OSU is "primed" for what exactly? Is the program much better? Yep. Is it anywhere near an elite, next level program? Nope. Coming off a 10-3 season, new Reser is indeed exciting, but... let's just not get over our skis too much. Dude, wtf are you talkin about?! You do remember the 2017 season, right? 1-11.....0-9 in conference.....the one win against Portland st. That we squeeeeaked out, and should've lost. From that, to last season.....now going into this season ranked for the first time since '13....dark horse pick to win the conference.....outside chance to make the playoff! I would say that's pretty dam exciting!! And then the conference falls apart.....besides the fact that this is a major distraction for the team, we don't even know where we will be in '24! The only thing we do know is we will have a significantly less amount of money for our sports programs. But you're over here saying no one is gonna poach Smith, and downplaying how good our program is........I think ur either slightly delusional, or you're on a fishin trip......if that's the case I took it hook, line, and sinker! Fyi, what I mean by next level is winning the conference......do you think that is out of reach? Really good points. The negative attitude a couple of posters have on here is getting monotonous. It is like if a family member is sick and the only way for everyone to react is "well, they're going to die...no reason to have any cheer or optimism". I understand pragmatism and realism, but the truth is we really don't know how this is going to end up....the odds are admittedly not good. But to continue to make the point that marginal success in the 'small pond' is the way to go, is literally belied by the fact that we are currently a pretty good sized fish in a pretty good sized body of water. Why is the assumption that that would necessarily not continue if we had an affiliation w a conference that would allow for plus recruits to even consider us? They may end up being right, but this obsession with admonishing anyone who dares to think there may be a surprise pot of gold out there is annoying. It is like dealing with a couple of irascible nuns in grammar school! |
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Post by irimi on Aug 10, 2023 7:19:26 GMT -8
It's hard to discuss this because... - definition of "next level; - anything that's not within said definition will be considering dissing on the program; That said, one 10 win season, a dominate bowl win over the FL JV team, one big time portal transfer, picked 5th(?) in Pac12 preseason poll... and OSU is "primed" for what exactly? Is the program much better? Yep. Is it anywhere near an elite, next level program? Nope. Coming off a 10-3 season, new Reser is indeed exciting, but... let's just not get over our skis too much. Dude, wtf are you talkin about?! You do remember the 2017 season, right? 1-11.....0-9 in conference.....the one win against Portland st. That we squeeeeaked out, and should've lost. From that, to last season.....now going into this season ranked for the first time since '13....dark horse pick to win the conference.....outside chance to make the playoff! I would say that's pretty dam exciting!! And then the conference falls apart.....besides the fact that this is a major distraction for the team, we don't even know where we will be in '24! The only thing we do know is we will have a significantly less amount of money for our sports programs. But you're over here saying no one is gonna poach Smith, and downplaying how good our program is........I think ur either slightly delusional, or you're on a fishin trip......if that's the case I took it hook, line, and sinker! Fyi, what I mean by next level is winning the conference......do you think that is out of reach? I'm not defending him. But clearly baseba1111 is talking about being an elite team as his definition of "next level." What he doesn't explain is what "elite team" means to him. He was right to point out that "next level" can be interpreted in various ways, but he didn't really do much to clarify the conversation. I think there are probably about 6 or 7 truly elite teams, by which I mean they are consistently at the top of the polls. And I don't think any of the past or present Pac 12 teams have that status. Then I see a second tier of teams that often fill up the top 25. I see a few Pac 12 teams in there and a few more B1G teams in there. Then there's a third tier of teams that break into the top 25 but struggle to stay consistent. That's a lot of teams. I think we have finally reached this tier. So "next level" for me involves consistency. And I think a reasonable person could argue that the Beavers really haven't reached this level yet. I'm generous when it comes to my Beavers. The fourth tier is a group of teams that work to get winning seasons. Sometimes they get it, sometimes they don't. The fifth tier is the old Beavers. The losers that can't manage to even win a handful of games. It's hard to place the remaining Pac 12 teams. Where does Wazzu really belong on here? How about Cal and Stanford? Each of these schools probably belongs in the fourth tier, but each has tastes of success in the past. And this is what sucks so much about the realignment. Taking a snapshot now may or may not show the real team. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 10, 2023 7:56:22 GMT -8
There would be worse outcomes than being the Boise State of the next decade. Somehow they were not irrelevant, despite being in the MWC.
Apparently some heavy hitters within the ACC are really pushing to add the Bay Area schools. The sooner that's resolved, the better. I say let them go, playing half your games clear across the country would be an absolute disaster and it would give us some convenient, high-RPI OOC options for our Olympic sports.
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Post by speakthetruth on Aug 10, 2023 8:09:48 GMT -8
If I'm an 18 to 21 year old college student athlete I just wouldn't find it fun to travel west coast to east coast or vice versa to play a game. Can't imagine flying across country if you are a baseball player to have your games rained out. And then there are the football cancelations due to hurricanes. How many family are flying across country to watch half your games?
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 10, 2023 8:58:04 GMT -8
Dude, wtf are you talkin about?! You do remember the 2017 season, right? 1-11.....0-9 in conference.....the one win against Portland st. That we squeeeeaked out, and should've lost. From that, to last season.....now going into this season ranked for the first time since '13....dark horse pick to win the conference.....outside chance to make the playoff! I would say that's pretty dam exciting!! And then the conference falls apart.....besides the fact that this is a major distraction for the team, we don't even know where we will be in '24! The only thing we do know is we will have a significantly less amount of money for our sports programs. But you're over here saying no one is gonna poach Smith, and downplaying how good our program is........I think ur either slightly delusional, or you're on a fishin trip......if that's the case I took it hook, line, and sinker! Fyi, what I mean by next level is winning the conference......do you think that is out of reach? I'm not defending him. But clearly baseba1111 is talking about being an elite team as his definition of "next level." What he doesn't explain is what "elite team" means to him. He was right to point out that "next level" can be interpreted in various ways, but he didn't really do much to clarify the conversation. I think there are probably about 6 or 7 truly elite teams, by which I mean they are consistently at the top of the polls. And I don't think any of the past or present Pac 12 teams have that status. Then I see a second tier of teams that often fill up the top 25. I see a few Pac 12 teams in there and a few more B1G teams in there. Then there's a third tier of teams that break into the top 25 but struggle to stay consistent. That's a lot of teams. I think we have finally reached this tier. So "next level" for me involves consistency. And I think a reasonable person could argue that the Beavers really haven't reached this level yet. I'm generous when it comes to my Beavers. The fourth tier is a group of teams that work to get winning seasons. Sometimes they get it, sometimes they don't. The fifth tier is the old Beavers. The losers that can't manage to even win a handful of games. It's hard to place the remaining Pac 12 teams. Where does Wazzu really belong on here? How about Cal and Stanford? Each of these schools probably belongs in the fourth tier, but each has tastes of success in the past. And this is what sucks so much about the realignment. Taking a snapshot now may or may not show the real team. All I know is we have our guy, and for the first time in a long time it feels like we are a legit contender. ....and it feels sustainable! And then the rug gets pulled out! This is why I'm so pissed! If we still sucked ass I'd be like "yep, we suck, off to the MW". I mena id still be super pissed in general....but it's extra s%#tty given the timing I'm with jimbeav.....I have a couple annual FF meetings coming up to discuss rule changes, etc.....I'm seriously thinking about not going because of the duck fans in the leagues....a couple guys been chirpin on group text already and I think I made it clear I'm not in the mood to hear it.....it's not that I don't want to face the music here, it's more about me keeping my cool.....I think I need more time to cool off....being around arrogant duck fans will not help me achieve that. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 10, 2023 9:34:25 GMT -8
If I'm an 18 to 21 year old college student athlete I just wouldn't find it fun to travel west coast to east coast or vice versa to play a game. Can't imagine flying across country if you are a baseball player to have your games rained out. And then there are the football cancelations due to hurricanes. How many family are flying across country to watch half your games? I'm thinking the travel, for both the players and their families, is going to keep a fair number of recruits to the teams that don't travel as far. It also might help bring in a few transfers who are sick of the long trips. In the end it could balance out some to where it doesn't harm recruiting as much as some people expext. |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 10, 2023 10:14:42 GMT -8
Dude, wtf are you talkin about?! You do remember the 2017 season, right? 1-11.....0-9 in conference.....the one win against Portland st. That we squeeeeaked out, and should've lost. From that, to last season.....now going into this season ranked for the first time since '13....dark horse pick to win the conference.....outside chance to make the playoff! I would say that's pretty dam exciting!! And then the conference falls apart.....besides the fact that this is a major distraction for the team, we don't even know where we will be in '24! The only thing we do know is we will have a significantly less amount of money for our sports programs. But you're over here saying no one is gonna poach Smith, and downplaying how good our program is........I think ur either slightly delusional, or you're on a fishin trip......if that's the case I took it hook, line, and sinker! Fyi, what I mean by next level is winning the conference......do you think that is out of reach? Really good points. The negative attitude a couple of posters have on here is getting monotonous. It is like if a family member is sick and the only way for everyone to react is "well, they're going to die...no reason to have any cheer or optimism". I understand pragmatism and realism, but the truth is we really don't know how this is going to end up....the odds are admittedly not good. But to continue to make the point that marginal success in the 'small pond' is the way to go, is literally belied by the fact that we are currently a pretty good sized fish in a pretty good sized body of water. Why is the assumption that that would necessarily not continue if we had an affiliation w a conference that would allow for plus recruits to even consider us? They may end up being right, but this obsession with admonishing anyone who dares to think there may be a surprise pot of gold out there is annoying. It is like dealing with a couple of irascible nuns in grammar school! What is monotonous is folks just making crap up. The "points" raised above do not change any of the FACTS I presented. PERIOD. There was no "admonishing"... again just made up BS by anyone who disagree with those that may have the objectivity to point out the current overall state of OSU athletics, that other P4 conferences are coming to the rescue (and really who'd really like that pity handout at this point?), and the elite level programs and the media potential for each. Talk of possibilities of what may happen is not the actual reality of today. Talking of GAG and where OSU's football program has progressed is a nonfactor. Oregon State is not a major player in anything but baseball. Oregon State does not draw enough eyes to make it an advantageous addition to any major media deal. Hence, here we sit. So, which possible "pot of gold" are you speaking of? As most of the discussion since this all happened has been very positive with an extensive sharing of ideas how how OSU could survive. There has been a enthusiastic sharing of ideas on this board through numerous threads. The potential of a P4 partial "pot of gold" or at least the gold that fell out of the pot, versus creating a smaller, potential P5 conference, with the opportunity to be on the cutting edge with a smaller "pot" to begin with is a common theme. Being a huge fan of OSU, the university and athletic programs, doesn't mean you get to ignore the facts that actually matter and think it some conspiracy. It is a debacle, but unfortunately it has and always will be a business since the media began controlling college sports. If any of the "points" listed above were salient would we being having this discussion? As far as your nuns... look in the mirror. Edit... a quick reading of your recent posts, it seems you are one who consistently admonishes other ideas as having no possibility of success and being a "dead end". But, I guess using highly generalized terms like "lifeline" and "pot of gold" allows you to claim some type of relevance when OSU does land in whatever conference and media deal. Oh, and as far as the posters I've read here, no one seems to be claiming they are 'right', or proposing their ideas are the only road to success. So maybe practice what you attempt to preach. |
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Post by beaverdan86 on Aug 10, 2023 10:25:33 GMT -8
I'm not sure that travel is that big of deal to these kids today. Today's kids play travel baseball, hoops, soccer and they are used to flying all over the US to play in games from the time they are in their early teens. Just saying....
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