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Post by rgeorge on Aug 9, 2023 10:50:58 GMT -8
Players like DJU and Chiles did not come here to play the Wyomings of this world. They came here to play the Utahs and Oregons. Going MWC will affect our recruiting. Have we just given up on wanting to see Oregon State maintain its current level? Is this just about finding a conference home now? Fresno State and Boise State each went bowling last year. Boise State nearly always goes. They finished 10-4 (equalling our best record under Riley) and played in the Frisco Bowl (?) against N Texas or somebody like that. Fresno State finsihed 10-4 as well and made the, wait for it, LA Bowl, a gamed that we made after a disappointing finish in a 7 win season. Boise State has had an outstanding record for years now, yet they are still struggling for national recognition. I'm not saying the MWC teams can't propel themselves forward but it is not a bet I would take. LOL... when is the last time you actually talked to a recruit? About anything? How do you know the whys of how they chose to come to OSU? Complete and utter nonsense to state you know this. Will OSU lose players? Yep... they do already. Will recruiting change? Maybe. But, OSU doesn't get 4/5* players on any regular basis. Ok... almost never as far as 5*. OSU will still attract players as the best team in a new conference. And, as the best football program will align themselves for future media deals. Folks act like some powerhouse football program got left in the dust. OSU draws about the 10th most eyes on their games in the Pac12. Our coach has the program turning a corner, but with a losing overall & Pac12 record. OSU has a MWC size stadium and hoops programs that as of now are the decline. Bet or not bet on "MWC teams propelling themselves forward", did you on OSU? |
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Post by grayman on Aug 9, 2023 12:41:20 GMT -8
Players like DJU and Chiles did not come here to play the Wyomings of this world. They came here to play the Utahs and Oregons. Going MWC will affect our recruiting. Have we just given up on wanting to see Oregon State maintain its current level? Is this just about finding a conference home now? Fresno State and Boise State each went bowling last year. Boise State nearly always goes. They finished 10-4 (equalling our best record under Riley) and played in the Frisco Bowl (?) against N Texas or somebody like that. Fresno State finsihed 10-4 as well and made the, wait for it, LA Bowl, a gamed that we made after a disappointing finish in a 7 win season. Boise State has had an outstanding record for years now, yet they are still struggling for national recognition. I'm not saying the MWC teams can't propel themselves forward but it is not a bet I would take. LOL... when is the last time you actually talked to a recruit? About anything? How do you know the whys of how they chose to come to OSU? Complete and utter nonsense to state you know this. Will OSU lose players? Yep... they do already. Will recruiting change? Maybe. But, OSU doesn't get 4/5* players on any regular basis. Ok... almost never as far as 5*. OSU will still attract players as the best team in a new conference. And, as the best football program will align themselves for future media deals. Folks act like some powerhouse football program got left in the dust. OSU draws about the 10th most eyes on their games in the Pac12. Our coach has the program turning a corner, but with a losing overall & Pac12 record. OSU has a MWC size stadium and hoops programs that as of now are the decline. Bet or not bet on "MWC teams propelling themselves forward", did you on OSU? I understand where you're coming from but the fact that DJ and Chiles chose OSU is pretty clear evidence that they at least saw the chance to play in the Pac-12 as a positive. If they wanted to play in the MWC, they would have been welcomed by every single school. As for players leaving OSU...this is not at all like a few hitting the transfer portal. It's going to be an issue for the first couple of years. Maybe there will be some holdovers for a season. But the lure of playing in the P4 is going to be extremely strong for all athletes. Do I think they will want to leave OSU? Not in the vast majority of cases. I think they'll see it as a necessity. They will retain players who are lower on the depth chart and probably a starter here and there. As for recruiting, you a right about OSU not getting a lot of 4-star recruits. I think they will still get a lot of 3-star guys but they won't be the borderline 4-star types that they now seem to be landing. Smith has made significant inroads in recruiting and the Beavers have been able to stay in the mix for some big name recruits for a much longer time and even landed a few. A lot of that gets erased if they don't find a way into the Big 12. No, there will be more marginal 3-stars and 2-star guys. It just stands to reason. |
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Post by ag87 on Aug 9, 2023 13:49:07 GMT -8
I don't care how good Wyomings facilities are. Virtually no one other than perhaps the small population of wyoming watches them play. If I could grab teams from the MWC to form a league wyoming would not be on the list. When Cal and Stanford bolt, which they will, either insanely to the ACC or as cut-rate members of the Big Ten or Big 12, there will be two of us left. We realistically need 8, 9 or 10 other universities to form a viable league that would attract a mid-level TV deal. It would be best to stay in the Mountain and Pacific time zones, to save money on travel costs, to form future rivalries, for convenient starting times, so fans can more easily attend road games, so our athletes don't get overburdened with excessive travel, to avoid the logistical problems that will (IMHO) eventually take down the far-flung leagues that spread across four time zones. There are currently 11 MWC teams (Hawaii, an affiliate for football, is not a full-time member). I certainly take Wyoming, with its facilities, success in basketball, history of facility/program investment, and the convenience and cost of a 2-for-1 CSU/Wyoming road trip for volleyball, soccer, basketball and wrestling (UNC instead of CSU) over San Jose State, Air Force, New Mexico and/or Utah State. No MWC school attracts huge TV numbers. It's about getting the strongest and best-financed contemporaries who will invest to make their programs stronger. Wyoming certainly meets that criteria. I don't understand your fascination with Wyoming |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 9, 2023 13:56:40 GMT -8
When Cal and Stanford bolt, which they will, either insanely to the ACC or as cut-rate members of the Big Ten or Big 12, there will be two of us left. We realistically need 8, 9 or 10 other universities to form a viable league that would attract a mid-level TV deal. It would be best to stay in the Mountain and Pacific time zones, to save money on travel costs, to form future rivalries, for convenient starting times, so fans can more easily attend road games, so our athletes don't get overburdened with excessive travel, to avoid the logistical problems that will (IMHO) eventually take down the far-flung leagues that spread across four time zones. There are currently 11 MWC teams (Hawaii, an affiliate for football, is not a full-time member). I certainly take Wyoming, with its facilities, success in basketball, history of facility/program investment, and the convenience and cost of a 2-for-1 CSU/Wyoming road trip for volleyball, soccer, basketball and wrestling (UNC instead of CSU) over San Jose State, Air Force, New Mexico and/or Utah State. No MWC school attracts huge TV numbers. It's about getting the strongest and best-financed contemporaries who will invest to make their programs stronger. Wyoming certainly meets that criteria. I don't understand your fascination with Wyoming Wyoming is pretty sweet......other than their winters. Id move there if they had milder winters......but, then there'd be more Cali transplants which would defeat the purpose. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 9, 2023 14:36:14 GMT -8
I'd probably hit every current MWC member stadium for a Beaver game if they were part of our conference. Fresno maybe just once unless it's on the way to somewhere else.
Someone earlier in one thread said they'd prefer to visit Washington than BSU, I wouldn't unless it were late fall and the weather was super crappy. I've been to Boise earlier in the fall and really enjoyed it. I'm thinking on the whole I'd enjoy visiting the MWC cities more than the larger cities in the current PAC.
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 9, 2023 14:44:35 GMT -8
I'd probably hit every current MWC member stadium for a Beaver game if they were part of our conference. Fresno maybe just once unless it's on the way to somewhere else. Someone earlier in one thread said they'd prefer to visit Washington than BSU, I wouldn't unless it were late fall and the weather was super crappy. I've been to Boise earlier in the fall and really enjoyed it. I'm thinking on the whole I'd enjoy visiting the MWC cities more than the larger cities in the current PAC. I personally hate most everything about Seattle... Except a few great food stops! Despise ASU and their stadium, especially at night. Actually reminds me of a larger, present day version of Fresno St circa 2001. Night games are scary! UCLA can be a fun trip, lots of neat by beach stays & great food/drink options. USC & coliseum area sucks! Screw any historic value & famous alums. And it's one of my alma maters. SLC... blah... nice stadium, OK food scene. Boulder... fun downtown, plenty of hotels walking distance to the stadium. But, screw late season games there. Tucson... much better than Tempe, feel much safer, but tougher to travel to. Cal/Furd... fav roadies by far. Cheap flights with 3 airports serving the area. Pullman... not the easiest to get to, but nice drive early in the year. A Lewiston stay/eat (Effie Burger) is our method. Eugene... never go back since like early 2000's |
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Post by lefty on Aug 9, 2023 14:48:04 GMT -8
There is a good chance that Chiles is going to be "recruited" by a lot of wealthy teams if we don't get this resolved soon and satisfactory
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 9, 2023 14:57:28 GMT -8
When Cal and Stanford bolt, which they will, either insanely to the ACC or as cut-rate members of the Big Ten or Big 12, there will be two of us left. We realistically need 8, 9 or 10 other universities to form a viable league that would attract a mid-level TV deal. It would be best to stay in the Mountain and Pacific time zones, to save money on travel costs, to form future rivalries, for convenient starting times, so fans can more easily attend road games, so our athletes don't get overburdened with excessive travel, to avoid the logistical problems that will (IMHO) eventually take down the far-flung leagues that spread across four time zones. There are currently 11 MWC teams (Hawaii, an affiliate for football, is not a full-time member). I certainly take Wyoming, with its facilities, success in basketball, history of facility/program investment, and the convenience and cost of a 2-for-1 CSU/Wyoming road trip for volleyball, soccer, basketball and wrestling (UNC instead of CSU) over San Jose State, Air Force, New Mexico and/or Utah State. No MWC school attracts huge TV numbers. It's about getting the strongest and best-financed contemporaries who will invest to make their programs stronger. Wyoming certainly meets that criteria. I don't understand your fascination with Wyoming Because earlier on this thread someone pretty clearly said it's a school we shouldn't take if we grabbed some MWC schools. After doing some research, I discovered it would actually be a pretty good school to team up with. I had no idea their facilities and funding model with the state were anywhere near that good. I tried to educate myself, instead of just talking message-board bulls%#t (not saying you were, by any means. Not signaling you out. But there is a lot of it here, probably some of it mine, too). If someone would have said, "Don't take New Mexico" or "don't take SJSU" I'd have done a deeper dive on those programs, to see what positives or negatives they present. Knowledge is power. Information is the coin of the realm. |
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Post by irimi on Aug 9, 2023 15:07:03 GMT -8
There is a good chance that Chiles is going to be "recruited" by a lot of wealthy teams if we don't get this resolved soon and satisfactory But it doesn't even have to be Chiles to be painful. In fact, we might be able to survive without him. But lose an O-line starter and we might be hurting. Drop a defender and we're in trouble. We don't have the depth to lose players. |
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Post by ricke71 on Aug 9, 2023 15:20:10 GMT -8
I don't understand your fascination with Wyoming Wyoming is pretty sweet......other than their winters. Id move there if they had milder winters......but, then there'd be more Cali transplants which would defeat the purpose. "Fascination"  ? two words: Fennis Dembo. He's now a career man with the San Antonio's VIA Transit service........... ............. “Everything I had dreamed about, it happened there at Wyoming" (Dembo, 2021) |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 9, 2023 17:24:09 GMT -8
There is a good chance that Chiles is going to be "recruited" by a lot of wealthy teams if we don't get this resolved soon and satisfactory But it doesn't even have to be Chiles to be painful. In fact, we might be able to survive without him. But lose an O-line starter and we might be hurting. Drop a defender and we're in trouble. We don't have the depth to lose players. That's all true. Which points to the fact OSU is far from "there" right now. It's an up & coming program, but there was zero guarantees that a revived Pac12 conference assured a steady climb to being a consistent power. |
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Post by ag87 on Aug 9, 2023 17:57:36 GMT -8
I'd probably hit every current MWC member stadium for a Beaver game if they were part of our conference. Fresno maybe just once unless it's on the way to somewhere else. Someone earlier in one thread said they'd prefer to visit Washington than BSU, I wouldn't unless it were late fall and the weather was super crappy. I've been to Boise earlier in the fall and really enjoyed it. I'm thinking on the whole I'd enjoy visiting the MWC cities more than the larger cities in the current PAC. I saw OSU at Wyoming in 92 (?), Utah State in 98, Boise in 88, Nevada in 99, and Hawaii in 90 ( the Chaffey game). Obviously things can change. Honolulu and Reno are the only locations I'd go to see unless I got crazy about OSU road games. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 9, 2023 18:25:02 GMT -8
I'd probably hit every current MWC member stadium for a Beaver game if they were part of our conference. Fresno maybe just once unless it's on the way to somewhere else. Someone earlier in one thread said they'd prefer to visit Washington than BSU, I wouldn't unless it were late fall and the weather was super crappy. I've been to Boise earlier in the fall and really enjoyed it. I'm thinking on the whole I'd enjoy visiting the MWC cities more than the larger cities in the current PAC. I saw OSU at Wyoming in 92 (?), Utah State in 98, Boise in 88, Nevada in 99, and Hawaii in 90 ( the Chaffey game). Obviously things can change. Honolulu and Reno are the only locations I'd go to see unless I got crazy about OSU road games. The game at Laramie was the 1993 opener, I was there too. It was an absolutely beautiful day, we scored 27 fourth-quarter points to win. Reggie Tongue took two to the house and Michael Hale had a monster game. I was at USU too, cold night, late start because of some LDS convention in SLC. It would have been decent as an afternoon game. Romney Stadium has been completely revamped since then. Went to Nevada in 99, Dennis's first game. It was hotter than hell, the field was in horrible shape, fights in the stands, Fessler and Mauer got beer dumped on them, not a nice stadium. I've been to 3 or 4 games in Fresno, not sure why I kept going back. |
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Post by grayman on Aug 9, 2023 18:29:08 GMT -8
I'd probably hit every current MWC member stadium for a Beaver game if they were part of our conference. Fresno maybe just once unless it's on the way to somewhere else. Someone earlier in one thread said they'd prefer to visit Washington than BSU, I wouldn't unless it were late fall and the weather was super crappy. I've been to Boise earlier in the fall and really enjoyed it. I'm thinking on the whole I'd enjoy visiting the MWC cities more than the larger cities in the current PAC. I personally hate most everything about Seattle... Except a few great food stops! Despise ASU and their stadium, especially at night. Actually reminds me of a larger, present day version of Fresno St circa 2001. Night games are scary! UCLA can be a fun trip, lots of neat by beach stays & great food/drink options. USC & coliseum area sucks! Screw any historic value & famous alums. And it's one of my alma maters. SLC... blah... nice stadium, OK food scene. Boulder... fun downtown, plenty of hotels walking distance to the stadium. But, screw late season games there. Tucson... much better than Tempe, feel much safer, but tougher to travel to. Cal/Furd... fav roadies by far. Cheap flights with 3 airports serving the area. Pullman... not the easiest to get to, but nice drive early in the year. A Lewiston stay/eat (Effie Burger) is our method. Eugene... never go back since like early 2000's I agree on Seattle...terrible traffic, stadium isn't in a particularly convenient spot. Salt Lake City actually offers a lot more than people think. Lots of cool stuff close to Vivint Arena. And the views are great. |
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Post by ag87 on Aug 9, 2023 18:47:47 GMT -8
I saw OSU at Wyoming in 92 (?), Utah State in 98, Boise in 88, Nevada in 99, and Hawaii in 90 ( the Chaffey game). Obviously things can change. Honolulu and Reno are the only locations I'd go to see unless I got crazy about OSU road games. The game at Laramie was the 1993 opener, I was there too. It was an absolutely beautiful day, we scored 27 fourth-quarter points to win. Reggie Tongue took two to the house and Michael Hale had a monster game. I was at USU too, cold night, late start because of some LDS convention in SLC. It would have been decent as an afternoon game. Romney Stadium has been completely revamped since then. Went to Nevada in 99, Dennis's first game. It was hotter than hell, the field was in horrible shape, fights in the stands, Fessler and Mauer got beer dumped on them, not a nice stadium. I've been to 3 or 4 games in Fresno, not sure why I kept going back. At Reno I was with my dad. He knew of Mauer's two uncles who sat near us. They played high school football in Powers (8-man) and eventually got to the NFL. From this board and Pure-Orange, Jeff Ramp and I have figured out we must have been only about 10-feet apart at the Hawaii game. Billy Hughly's mom was near us and she was going crazy as Billy returned two different kick-offs into Hawaii territory. |
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