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Post by avidbeaver on Aug 9, 2023 6:08:25 GMT -8
The path forward is a winding path that isn't known where it will lead. Lots of unknowns even after a decision is made.
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Post by ftd on Aug 9, 2023 6:18:24 GMT -8
The path forward is a winding path that isn't known where it will lead. Lots of unknowns even after a decision is made. thats what she said :max_bytes(150000):strip_icc():focal(999x0:1001x2)/hollywood-auction-tout-2000-d10cf6ad98e74847bba097c194264d4d.jpg) |
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Post by speakthetruth on Aug 9, 2023 6:26:29 GMT -8
I don't play an attorney in real life or on TV but something tells me that there will be a lawsuit(s) by the 4 remaining pac teams against a number of potential parties - the various tv networks, former pac teams, other leagues, etc... Like I said I am not an attorney but there will be legal ramifications to all this.
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Post by idaho on Aug 9, 2023 6:44:07 GMT -8
Wherever OSU ends up, they need to make sure that they have an easy out. If OSU has a great football season, like we are all hoping and realistically could happen, then they will want the ability to move to a better conference.
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Post by TheGlove on Aug 9, 2023 6:45:21 GMT -8
Wyoming's facilities are as good, or better, than ours. Their north end zone weight facility is awesome. They have an indoor practice facility that's newer and nicer than ours. They have a separate facility for volleyball and wrestling. And they are about to redo the west side of their stadium too, to match the east side, which was renovated several years ago. They have a 15K basketball arena that was extensively renovated several years ago. They also have a state legislature that works with athletics and often matches donations above a certain $ amount, something the Oregon state legislature would never do. They are not a lower-level MWC program. Their AD (Tom Burman) was the AD at Portland State before going to UW. I don't know how much longer he is going to work but he would be a definite ally of OSU and WSU. It's all that Fennis Dembo $ the man that wanted to fight me |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 9, 2023 6:48:24 GMT -8
The Big 12 doesn't want us, not now, not for the 24-25 academic year when the Pac-12 has vaporized, probably not ever. So comparing any media deal we could cobble together with a merged/select pieces of the MWC to what the Big 12 is paying ASU, Arizona, etc., is a mindless exercise.
In order for us to get a slice of the Big 12 media rights pie, we'd have to be in the Big 12. Most objective people would look at the situation right now and conclude, "That's not going to happen." If anything, they'd probably offer the Bay Area schools first.
I still believe these far-flung conferences will see what a headache it is logistically, their athletes will begin to push back, and further adjustments will be made when their next media contract comes due. I don't think those adjustments will include adding teams. Other's mileage may vary.
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Post by speakthetruth on Aug 9, 2023 6:57:42 GMT -8
I don't care how good Wyomings facilities are. Virtually no one other than perhaps the small population of wyoming watches them play. If I could grab teams from the MWC to form a league wyoming would not be on the list.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 9, 2023 8:13:24 GMT -8
The Mountain West deal is 4 million per team. We go there, that's all there is for at least 1 year. The Pac, and George K or a replacement, just might be able to squeeze a heck of a lot more out of a contract than that by picking up the MWC teams (0 penalty buyout if they pick enough of them) and add a few choice teams from further east. Despite all the crap that went down recently, a reorganized Pac Whatever probably carries more name brand power than a reorganized MWC, even if it contains the same teams. Sure but that's just a name, and what "further east" teams are going to join us? BYU? oops. Tulane? Oops. etc, etc, etc. The Pac's automatic playoff bid expires in 2 years. Also thank you for the correction, I was considering an article that was referring to the AAC, in error. SMU was basically a done deal Thursday night apparently. There are rumors Tulane and others were still actually interested. Having a signed media deal in hand removes a ton of uncertainty. IF that deal had been accepted, there would have been takers. The only question is how badly Apple wants college football and how much they’ll still pay, all of the other Power 5 conferences are locked into media contracts for many years. Apple’s best opportunity to get off the ground with college football in the next several years is probably the Pac Whatever, if they are truly interested in football, the deal might not be as bad as some here think. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 9, 2023 9:10:24 GMT -8
I don't care how good Wyomings facilities are. Virtually no one other than perhaps the small population of wyoming watches them play. If I could grab teams from the MWC to form a league wyoming would not be on the list. When Cal and Stanford bolt, which they will, either insanely to the ACC or as cut-rate members of the Big Ten or Big 12, there will be two of us left. We realistically need 8, 9 or 10 other universities to form a viable league that would attract a mid-level TV deal. It would be best to stay in the Mountain and Pacific time zones, to save money on travel costs, to form future rivalries, for convenient starting times, so fans can more easily attend road games, so our athletes don't get overburdened with excessive travel, to avoid the logistical problems that will (IMHO) eventually take down the far-flung leagues that spread across four time zones. There are currently 11 MWC teams (Hawaii, an affiliate for football, is not a full-time member). I certainly take Wyoming, with its facilities, success in basketball, history of facility/program investment, and the convenience and cost of a 2-for-1 CSU/Wyoming road trip for volleyball, soccer, basketball and wrestling (UNC instead of CSU) over San Jose State, Air Force, New Mexico and/or Utah State. No MWC school attracts huge TV numbers. It's about getting the strongest and best-financed contemporaries who will invest to make their programs stronger. Wyoming certainly meets that criteria. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 9, 2023 9:42:56 GMT -8
Pay attention to Henry's last paragraph. A lot of people seem the think the MWC teams are "all they can be" right now, yet a lot of them have been investing what they can into their programs. Jumping up to a league with more "prestige", if in name only, and a larger media contract could help propel them forward.
As much as some people poo-poo that conference, a lot of their teams have gone bowling recently. I haven't compared, but our league has had it's share of weaker teams over the last little while. Heck, OSU has only been to 2 bowls in the last 9 years or so, but it's now surging.
If those teams have more available to invest they just might surprise some people when a few of them are battling for a Pac Whatever conference title.
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Post by bvrbred on Aug 9, 2023 10:01:54 GMT -8
Players like DJU and Chiles did not come here to play the Wyomings of this world. They came here to play the Utahs and Oregons. Going MWC will affect our recruiting. Have we just given up on wanting to see Oregon State maintain its current level? Is this just about finding a conference home now?
Fresno State and Boise State each went bowling last year. Boise State nearly always goes. They finished 10-4 (equalling our best record under Riley) and played in the Frisco Bowl (?) against N Texas or somebody like that. Fresno State finsihed 10-4 as well and made the, wait for it, LA Bowl, a gamed that we made after a disappointing finish in a 7 win season.
Boise State has had an outstanding record for years now, yet they are still struggling for national recognition. I'm not saying the MWC teams can't propel themselves forward but it is not a bet I would take.
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 9, 2023 10:11:09 GMT -8
Players like DJU and Chiles did not come here to play the Wyomings of this world. They came here to play the Utahs and Oregons. Going MWC will affect our recruiting. Have we just given up on wanting to see Oregon State maintain its current level? Is this just about finding a conference home now? Fresno State and Boise State each went bowling last year. Boise State nearly always goes. They finished 10-4 (equalling our best record under Riley) and played in the Frisco Bowl (?) against N Texas or somebody like that. Fresno State finsihed 10-4 as well and made the, wait for it, LA Bowl, a gamed that we made after a disappointing finish in a 7 win season. Boise State has had an outstanding record for years now, yet they are still struggling for national recognition. I'm not saying the MWC teams can't propel themselves forward but it is not a bet I would take. Nobody has given up, but if no other major conference will take you, you have to go where you are wanted. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 9, 2023 10:32:29 GMT -8
I don't care how good Wyomings facilities are. Virtually no one other than perhaps the small population of wyoming watches them play. If I could grab teams from the MWC to form a league wyoming would not be on the list. Oh oh. Now you've done it. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 9, 2023 10:35:20 GMT -8
Wyoming's facilities are as good, or better, than ours. Their north end zone weight facility is awesome. They have an indoor practice facility that's newer and nicer than ours. They have a separate facility for volleyball and wrestling. And they are about to redo the west side of their stadium too, to match the east side, which was renovated several years ago. They have a 15K basketball arena that was extensively renovated several years ago. They also have a state legislature that works with athletics and often matches donations above a certain $ amount, something the Oregon state legislature would never do. They are not a lower-level MWC program. Their AD (Tom Burman) was the AD at Portland State before going to UW. I don't know how much longer he is going to work but he would be a definite ally of OSU and WSU. It's all that Fennis Dembo $  |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 9, 2023 10:36:00 GMT -8
Players like DJU and Chiles did not come here to play the Wyomings of this world. They came here to play the Utahs and Oregons. Going MWC will affect our recruiting. Have we just given up on wanting to see Oregon State maintain its current level? Is this just about finding a conference home now? Fresno State and Boise State each went bowling last year. Boise State nearly always goes. They finished 10-4 (equalling our best record under Riley) and played in the Frisco Bowl (?) against N Texas or somebody like that. Fresno State finsihed 10-4 as well and made the, wait for it, LA Bowl, a gamed that we made after a disappointing finish in a 7 win season. Boise State has had an outstanding record for years now, yet they are still struggling for national recognition. I'm not saying the MWC teams can't propel themselves forward but it is not a bet I would take. With the Utah's and uo, also came Colorado (2 bowl games in 14 years) and UA (1 bowl game in 14 years) OSU (2 bowl games in 9 years) and another couple teams that you gotta go back a few years. Chiles and Uiagalelei both signed up after USC and UCLA had announced leaving and with an uncertain Pac 12 future. We just got a 4 Star 320# honor student transfer from Minnesota who'd have to be blind or deaf not to know the conference has troubles. Things I don't want to see the Beavers step down to the MWC. It makes more sense to bring the MWC conference up that to step down into it, even if we have to take a team that "only" went to a bowl game 5 of the last 6 years there were bowl games. The PAC Whatever could still be a highly regarded and possibly Power 5 conference if it has 14/16 teams. Unless the SEC has it's way, even without Power 5 status the Pac would have just as good of a chance agt getting into the playoffs as it is planned to take the highest rated team from 6 conferences - NOT the hight ranked team from each of the Power 5 and one other conference as some people seem to think. The MWC would have been in several playoffs this century under the current playoff plan. We've got some interesting opponents in future OOC schedules, maybe scheduling stronger OOC opponents will be more of a priority in the future. I don't think this potential conference will be as weak as some people think. |
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