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Post by ee1990 on Aug 8, 2023 20:46:44 GMT -8
I'd still like to keep a two timezone conference. I think it will be a recruiting win for teams in the league. Long travel times and problems with classes, tests, studying are all more difficult when traveling two or three time zones. Most parents will like the minimal travel as well. Either merge with MWC or Get two more teams in the Pac-4 by 2024, then build more in 2025. Both scenarios we need to stay P5 for the auto bid The Big-12 media payout is like 5 times that of the current Mountain West deal. This isn't rational thinking. |
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Post by ee1990 on Aug 8, 2023 20:49:04 GMT -8
Financially is what caused this mess. Best move is what is best in both the short run and the long run. What is best for the student athletes and fans probably isn't the best thing financially in the short term I don't disagree but 15M short term in Big 12 with full payout upon new contract lomg term would likely be a 100M+ difference over 12 to 15 years in MWC. Even more. With "incentives" towards the end of the current scaling contract, Big-12 teams are going to push 47-50 million a year. Half of that is triple what the MWC is at right now. |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 8, 2023 21:01:58 GMT -8
I'd still like to keep a two timezone conference. I think it will be a recruiting win for teams in the league. Long travel times and problems with classes, tests, studying are all more difficult when traveling two or three time zones. Most parents will like the minimal travel as well. Either merge with MWC or Get two more teams in the Pac-4 by 2024, then build more in 2025. Both scenarios we need to stay P5 for the auto bid The Big-12 media payout is like 5 times that of the current Mountain West deal. This isn't rational thinking. What's not rational is comparing deals that OSU isn't part of, or every will be. IF... and it won't... a B12 invite came OSU would get a partial share. Maybe 1/2. OSU is not part of the MWC media contract and never will be. If there is a Pac4/MWC merger it'll be a contract somewhere far higher than the current MWC, and probably equal or more than any B12 partial share... that's not coming. |
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Post by ee1990 on Aug 8, 2023 21:14:31 GMT -8
The Big-12 media payout is like 5 times that of the current Mountain West deal. This isn't rational thinking. What's not rational is comparing deals that OSU isn't part of, or every will be. IF... and it won't... a B12 invite came OSU would get a partial share. Maybe 1/2. OSU is not part of the MWC media contract and never will be. If there is a Pac4/MWC merger it'll be a contract somewhere far higher than the current MWC, and probably equal or more than any B12 partial share... that's not coming. I'm not the one day dreaming about scenarios so don't talk to me about what will or won't happen. I replied to someone who thinks time zones are more important to the program than tens of millions of dollars, while saying flying to Austin instead of Tucson for a football game would be too expensive. Additionally, a very simple point you're missing is that the half? share would be temporary, even if that is the better part of a decade. Half of 40-50 a year is commensurate with the full share of the Apple TV deal, and would absolutely dwarf anything a conference with Boise St and San Jose St would get. I know you don't seriously think adding the two most geographically disadvantaged P5 programs in the nation and the two most don't give a s%#t about football programs in the nation to the Mountain West conference would take that media deal from 8 million a year to even 15 a year, do you? That wouldn't be rational. |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 8, 2023 21:18:24 GMT -8
What's not rational is comparing deals that OSU isn't part of, or every will be. IF... and it won't... a B12 invite came OSU would get a partial share. Maybe 1/2. OSU is not part of the MWC media contract and never will be. If there is a Pac4/MWC merger it'll be a contract somewhere far higher than the current MWC, and probably equal or more than any B12 partial share... that's not coming. I'm not the one day dreaming about scenarios so don't talk to me about what will or won't happen. I replied to someone who thinks time zones are more important to the program than tens of millions of dollars. Additionally, a very simple point you're missing is that the half? share would be temporary, even if that is the better part of a decade. Half of 40-50 a year is commensurate with the full share of the Apple TV deal, and would absolutely dwarf anything a conference with Boise St and San Jose St would get. I know you don't seriously think adding the two most geographically disadvantaged P5 programs in the nation and the most don't give a s%#t about football programs in the nation to the Mountain West conference would take that media deal from 8 million a year to even 15 a year, do you? I actually will tell you that your BS is just as irrational as what you accuse others of. Half a deal with enormous extra travel expenses for a decade is a death sentence. But, again there's no invite. "...you don't seriously think adding the two most geographically disadvantaged P5 programs in the nation..." But, with your own words the B12 invites? Lol... No hint of an invite so it's irrational to compare. |
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Post by ee1990 on Aug 8, 2023 21:20:01 GMT -8
I'm not the one day dreaming about scenarios so don't talk to me about what will or won't happen. I replied to someone who thinks time zones are more important to the program than tens of millions of dollars. Additionally, a very simple point you're missing is that the half? share would be temporary, even if that is the better part of a decade. Half of 40-50 a year is commensurate with the full share of the Apple TV deal, and would absolutely dwarf anything a conference with Boise St and San Jose St would get. I know you don't seriously think adding the two most geographically disadvantaged P5 programs in the nation and the most don't give a s%#t about football programs in the nation to the Mountain West conference would take that media deal from 8 million a year to even 15 a year, do you? I actually will tell you that your BS is just as irrational as what you accuse others of. Half a deal with enormous extra travel expenses for a decade is a death sentence. But, again there's no invite. No hint of an invite so it's irrational to compare. You're dumber than a bag of hammers. Let's take 8.5 a year instead of 15+++++++ that doubles in a few years because of plane tickets. Apparently today on the internet, doing 2nd grade arithmetic is "BS". But you're right, there is no Big-12 offer. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 8, 2023 21:22:11 GMT -8
Wyoming's facilities are as good, or better, than ours. Their north end zone weight facility is awesome. They have an indoor practice facility that's newer and nicer than ours. They have a separate facility for volleyball and wrestling. And they are about to redo the west side of their stadium too, to match the east side, which was renovated several years ago. They have a 15K basketball arena that was extensively renovated several years ago. They also have a state legislature that works with athletics and often matches donations above a certain $ amount, something the Oregon state legislature would never do. They are not a lower-level MWC program. Their AD (Tom Burman) was the AD at Portland State before going to UW. I don't know how much longer he is going to work but he would be a definite ally of OSU and WSU. And no one gives AF nationally. UNLV adds more value than Wyoming. Heck, so does Nevada and they play in a bad HS stadium. Bad high school stadium? It's not fancy, but it holds 30k fans and didn't look to me to be in disrepair the other year when I was there. |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 8, 2023 21:24:33 GMT -8
I actually will tell you that your BS is just as irrational as what you accuse others of. Half a deal with enormous extra travel expenses for a decade is a death sentence. But, again there's no invite. No hint of an invite so it's irrational to compare. You're dumber than a bag of hammers. Let's take 8.5 a year instead of 15+++++++ that doubles in a few years because of plane tickets. Apparently today on the internet, doing 2nd grade arithmetic is "BS". Actually 2nd grade is name calling and making up #s. Did you decide the new contract would be $8.5? 🤣🤣 You come to chime in (very late in the game for you) your expertise and call other opinions irrational. Of course you should recognize it. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 8, 2023 21:36:41 GMT -8
What's not rational is comparing deals that OSU isn't part of, or every will be. IF... and it won't... a B12 invite came OSU would get a partial share. Maybe 1/2. OSU is not part of the MWC media contract and never will be. If there is a Pac4/MWC merger it'll be a contract somewhere far higher than the current MWC, and probably equal or more than any B12 partial share... that's not coming. I'm not the one day dreaming about scenarios so don't talk to me about what will or won't happen. I replied to someone who thinks time zones are more important to the program than tens of millions of dollars, while saying flying to Austin instead of Tucson for a football game would be too expensive. Additionally, a very simple point you're missing is that the half? share would be temporary, even if that is the better part of a decade. Half of 40-50 a year is commensurate with the full share of the Apple TV deal, and would absolutely dwarf anything a conference with Boise St and San Jose St would get. I know you don't seriously think adding the two most geographically disadvantaged P5 programs in the nation and the two most don't give a s%#t about football programs in the nation to the Mountain West conference would take that media deal from 8 million a year to even 15 a year, do you? That wouldn't be rational. The Mountain West deal is 4 million per team. We go there, that's all there is for at least 1 year. The Pac, and George K or a replacement, just might be able to squeeze a heck of a lot more out of a contract than that by picking up the MWC teams (0 penalty buyout if they pick enough of them) and add a few choice teams from further east. Despite all the crap that went down recently, a reorganized Pac Whatever probably carries more name brand power than a reorganized MWC, even if it contains the same teams. |
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Post by ee1990 on Aug 8, 2023 22:40:42 GMT -8
I'm not the one day dreaming about scenarios so don't talk to me about what will or won't happen. I replied to someone who thinks time zones are more important to the program than tens of millions of dollars, while saying flying to Austin instead of Tucson for a football game would be too expensive. Additionally, a very simple point you're missing is that the half? share would be temporary, even if that is the better part of a decade. Half of 40-50 a year is commensurate with the full share of the Apple TV deal, and would absolutely dwarf anything a conference with Boise St and San Jose St would get. I know you don't seriously think adding the two most geographically disadvantaged P5 programs in the nation and the two most don't give a s%#t about football programs in the nation to the Mountain West conference would take that media deal from 8 million a year to even 15 a year, do you? That wouldn't be rational. The Mountain West deal is 4 million per team. We go there, that's all there is for at least 1 year. The Pac, and George K or a replacement, just might be able to squeeze a heck of a lot more out of a contract than that by picking up the MWC teams (0 penalty buyout if they pick enough of them) and add a few choice teams from further east. Despite all the crap that went down recently, a reorganized Pac Whatever probably carries more name brand power than a reorganized MWC, even if it contains the same teams. Sure but that's just a name, and what "further east" teams are going to join us? BYU? oops. Tulane? Oops. etc, etc, etc. The Pac's automatic playoff bid expires in 2 years. Also thank you for the correction, I was considering an article that was referring to the AAC, in error. |
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Post by ee1990 on Aug 8, 2023 22:43:09 GMT -8
You're dumber than a bag of hammers. Let's take 8.5 a year instead of 15+++++++ that doubles in a few years because of plane tickets. Apparently today on the internet, doing 2nd grade arithmetic is "BS". Actually 2nd grade is name calling and making up #s. Did you decide the new contract would be $8.5? 🤣🤣 You come to chime in (very late in the game for you) your expertise and call other opinions irrational. Of course you should recognize it. So your argument is actually that I doubled the payout for the current MWC teams(I thought I'd read around 8 somewhere, I think perhaps that was the AAC contract)? So we're going to remove an *additional* 4 million a year from what their current contract is and you think this supports some argument for joining that pathetic conference? It's a "death sentence" to take 15 BASE with *massive* incentives for a few years THAT THEN DOUBLES, but makes more sense to renegotiate from a position of massive weakness with a baseline of 4 million. I repeat: you are dumber than a bag of hammers. Don't take 15++++ a year to get 4+  ? a year and have what little national presence you have diminished even further. WTF is this a conversation? If I walked up to a 2nd grader at a koolaid stand and offered them 25 cents instead of 50 for a cup, they wouldn't say "how about a nickel?". |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Aug 9, 2023 5:08:11 GMT -8
And no one gives AF nationally. UNLV adds more value than Wyoming. Heck, so does Nevada and they play in a bad HS stadium. Bad high school stadium? It's not fancy, but it holds 30k fans and didn't look to me to be in disrepair the other year when I was there. I'm obviously being hyperbolic. But IMO it's worse than UNLVs old stadium. It kinda reminds me of a small Parker...Four separate set of grandstands I've heard rumors they want to renovate it. It site in a bowl so it has potential. Although I'm not sure what they can do about the wind gusts. I swear of the 10 games I've seen there you can watch all the garbage blowing around while watching the game. The other game (OSU) it was like 90 and Bravs lost. |
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Post by ftd on Aug 9, 2023 5:14:09 GMT -8
I'd still like to keep a two timezone conference. I think it will be a recruiting win for teams in the league. Long travel times and problems with classes, tests, studying are all more difficult when traveling two or three time zones. Most parents will like the minimal travel as well. Either merge with MWC or Get two more teams in the Pac-4 by 2024, then build more in 2025. Both scenarios we need to stay P5 for the auto bid The Big-12 media payout is like 5 times that of the current Mountain West deal. This isn't rational thinking. right thats what I said merger..not join. the merge would be a New Pac conference with a deal closer to P12 than MWC money |
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Post by jimbeav on Aug 9, 2023 5:44:32 GMT -8
The Big-12 media payout is like 5 times that of the current Mountain West deal. This isn't rational thinking. right thats what I said merger..not join. the merge would be a New Pac conference with a deal closer to P12 than MWC money And why would any deal be closer to P12 money than MWC? Because you'll snap your fingers and make it so? Count me among the skeptical that any MWC-based solution is actually a solution at all. All I see down that path is a gutted AD budget, and an endless stream of defections out of the transfer portal. |
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Post by avidbeaver on Aug 9, 2023 6:05:32 GMT -8
right thats what I said merger..not join. the merge would be a New Pac conference with a deal closer to P12 than MWC money And why would any deal be closer to P12 money than MWC? Because you'll snap your fingers and make it so? Count me among the skeptical that any MWC-based solution is actually a solution at all. All I see down that path is a gutted AD budget, and an endless stream of defections out of the transfer portal. No mergers. Add teams from the mwc. A merger won't get you closer to pac 12 money. I am not in favor of a merger. Although both options wont get you pac 12 money. Only thing ghat would get you that is joining the Big 12 and that doesnt look like it will happen.Adding will have more value than merging. Now all of it might depend on what Cal and Stanford end up doing. It's like the wild west. Never know what is going to happen. |
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? a year and have what little national presence you have diminished even further. WTF is this a conversation? 