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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jun 24, 2023 14:29:56 GMT -8
This really isn't about winning some battle about sides. I made an observation based on comments from people I know in Idaho and who identify in similar manners. We do not need to sling s%#t back and forth to prove a dumb point. It's not a culture friendly to all of academic practice which is going to be a challenge to ever stacking their priorities to meet the current standards of the P12. If it was just about sports then it would be a no brainier. UNLV has the same standard problem but a completely different culture. Doctors leaving a state is a tragedy for its people not a gotcha win. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jun 24, 2023 14:52:48 GMT -8
People have done the research, and they're leaving the blue state hellholes for Idaho. Spare me the excuses. Very few people move for purely ideological reasons. Most people move for jobs, family or cost of living. Cost of living is high in places that are attractive due to culture, economics or family. They are low in places that offer less attraction. Sure there are other factors but those have been the dominant ones for the last 70 years or so. If Idaho falls or Lewiston has the same CoL as Seattle or Portland I doubt many people would be moving there. Many people in Idaho are now complaining about CoL increases in housing due to new people and investors buying up property. I assume you are actually referring to people leaving cities and not necessarily states. West Virginia, Mississippi and Illinois are the only states that currently have a negative population growth rate. Prominent growth states like California have slowed down substantially in the last decad and is moving more towards athe New York model. Both states have way too many people and very high CoL. Idaho is growing quickly mostly due to people being able to sell in high housing markets and live very comfortably there. This is true of many many low CoL locations due to rpte work availability no longer trapping people in large cities. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jun 24, 2023 15:10:13 GMT -8
People representing 63% of Oregon's land mass could be living in Idaho if they had their way, without moving.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 24, 2023 15:16:43 GMT -8
People representing 63% of Oregon's land mass could be living in Idaho if they had their way, without moving. Good trivia question. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jun 24, 2023 15:32:25 GMT -8
People representing 63% of Oregon's land mass could be living in Idaho if they had their way, without moving. Idk the exact number by counties who voted but I'm pretty sure that would be like 65% of the people in counties representing 63% of the land mass. I believe the majority of that land is also BLM and National forest which is represented by all US citizens not just the people who live in the counties where it exists. It's a nitpick. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 24, 2023 16:05:54 GMT -8
People representing 63% of Oregon's land mass could be living in Idaho if they had their way, without moving. Many in the other 37% of Oregon would not stand in their way. Good on Boise State if they can raise the money. If it makes it more attractive to the Big 12, then great, because the chance they ever get asked to join the Pac-12 is extremely remote. |
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Post by bvrbred on Jun 24, 2023 16:29:58 GMT -8
The stadium already exists. All they're talking about 32 million to bowl in an endzone and add about 3500 additional seats (mainly premium), the result of which will look more like a football stadium that what we will have. You don't think they can handle 32 million? I’ll believe it when the contracts are signed and ground is broken. Until then it’s all talk and pretty pictures. They had cool renderings of their new baseball stadium not so long ago. That was a lot less than $32MM. Whatever happened to that project? Right, and you expect them to follow through on a fundraiser for a construction probject notwithstanding canceling the sport. Is anyone going to do such a thing for a club sport, except maybe Stanford? You really see that situation as analogous? Baseball, under the best of circumstances, loses money nearly everywhere including here and we have three national championships. Football makes money and floats other boats nearly everywhere. You see Boise State canceling their football program? They are 264-78 since 1996 when the program started with 14 conference championships and 20 bowl games. Football is the only reason most people have even heard of Boise State. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 24, 2023 16:43:17 GMT -8
I would not think of speaking for Mr. Werebeaver, but think his point is, they had big plans and pretty pictures for a baseball project that never got off the ground.
Until a shovel is turned, this project is also big plans and pretty pictures.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 24, 2023 18:11:47 GMT -8
I’ll believe it when the contracts are signed and ground is broken. Until then it’s all talk and pretty pictures. They had cool renderings of their new baseball stadium not so long ago. That was a lot less than $32MM. Whatever happened to that project? Right, and you expect them to follow through on a fundraiser for a construction probject notwithstanding canceling the sport. Is anyone going to do such a thing for a club sport, except maybe Stanford? You really see that situation as analogous? Baseball, under the best of circumstances, loses money nearly everywhere including here and we have three national championships. Football makes money and floats other boats nearly everywhere. You see Boise State canceling their football program? They are 264-78 since 1996 when the program started with 14 conference championships and 20 bowl games. Football is the only reason most people have even heard of Boise State. They (like *ucks) killed their successful wrestling program and added baseball with great (misguided) hopes for it elevating the prestige of their overall athletic program. They had identified a potential site for a dedicated BSU baseball stadium and circulated renderings to explore fundraising. They played part of 1 season in 2020. 14 games in they closed it down for COVID - for good as it turned out. They couldn't find the funds to continue the sport (or bring back wrestling, a much cheaper sport to run),forget about funding for a new stadium. I guess my point is that BSU athletics is economically-challenged. When you put their recent less-than-stellar results on top of that I'm skeptical about those lovely expansion renderings becoming reality. broncosports.com/sports/baseball/schedule(mods, sincere thanks for moving this thread off the OSU FB board) |
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Post by spudbeaver on Jun 24, 2023 19:33:15 GMT -8
People have done the research, and they're leaving the blue state hellholes for Idaho. Spare me the excuses. Doctors are fleeing that state as fast as they can. But don't worry, who needs doctors? Their football stadium is right next to that new state-of-the art baseball stadium they were going to build, right? FYI, Micron founders Ward and Joe Parkinson attended Columbia University in New York City. They got as far away from Idaho as they could for their college education. JR Simplot was the money and the catalyst behind the whole thing. He dropped out of school in 8th grade yet built an empire. My wife and I ate lunch with him and his wife skiing at Brundage Mtn. Fascinating man. You can try to degrade Idaho all you want, but people like Simplot were amazing. You might want to read up on the whole thing. Not sure why you and others feel the need to degrade simple, yet smart, motivated people. I don’t begrudge anybody for going to Columbia or Harvard, etc. I have several friends that are alumni of those schools. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 24, 2023 21:49:03 GMT -8
The point was, in order to be a Pacific-12 university, you have to be a top-quality research institution, or a member of the Association of American Universities. Boise State will never reach that level.
The state of Idaho simply won't invest enough in higher education for that to happen, a decision made by the politicians, who in turn were elected by the state's citizens.
Idaho has made its choices. Its citizens (outside of Ada County and the Moscow area) seem happy enough with the choices they've made. Great for them, as long as you don't need to see an OB/GYN.
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Post by sparty on Jun 25, 2023 5:39:51 GMT -8
Pretty pictures of imaginary stadiums are nice. Securing the $$ to actually build it is another thing entirely. The stadium already exists. All they're talking about 32 million to bowl in an endzone and add about 3500 additional seats (mainly premium), the result of which will look more like a football stadium that what we will have. You don't think they can handle 32 million? Alberstons groceries is now owned by Safeway? Are the original Albertsons owners big Boise state fans? Don't really know the history of their donors, just asking? There are ties there somewhere.
It seems like there needs to be a mind set change of what we can do at OSU instead of what we can't do. I don't think that can do attitude is fully embraced.
And what does a lease/gift agreement do to the tsdtr indoor project?
All voted on by state officials and apparently legit but it must save in costs for large projects and by what amount?
Build things and return as a gift..... what? Take projects more private? I don't know.
From Oregonlive.....
......The finance and facilities committee of UO’s board of trustees approved a proposal to lease or license portions of the Hatfield-Dowlin Complex as well as property to be acquired from the city of Eugene to Phit Too, LLC, an entity of the University of Oregon Foundation, which will manage construction of the new 170,000-square-foot facility and then return it to the university as a gift. The full board will vote on the proposal during its meeting on Tuesday......
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Post by Judge Smails on Jun 25, 2023 5:49:34 GMT -8
The stadium already exists. All they're talking about 32 million to bowl in an endzone and add about 3500 additional seats (mainly premium), the result of which will look more like a football stadium that what we will have. You don't think they can handle 32 million? Alberstons groceries is now owned by Safeway? Are the original owners big Boise state fans? Don't really know the history, just asking? There are ties there somewhere. Albertsons was started in Idaho. The Albertsons also paid millions to change the name of the College of Idaho to Albertsons college for about 20 years before the name reverted back. |
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Post by sparty on Jun 25, 2023 5:55:24 GMT -8
Alberstons groceries is now owned by Safeway? Are the original owners big Boise state fans? Don't really know the history, just asking? There are ties there somewhere. Albertsons was started in Idaho. The Albertsons also paid millions to change the name of the College of Idaho to Albertsons college for about 20 years before the name reverted back. So they have no ties to Boise State just to the college of Idaho? |
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Post by beaverology on Jun 25, 2023 6:45:52 GMT -8
It's sad that insecure people have to slur the state of Idaho and the people who live there. Quoting an article from a news outlet (Idaho Capital Sun) that is more political publication than objective journalism only proves the point. Any doctor who leaves Idaho won't be relocating to San Fran, LA, Seattle or PDX. And we all know why. For the 2 experts here, how many doctors have left Idaho, and how many rushed in to replace them? You don't know.
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