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Post by beaverology on Feb 27, 2023 17:39:58 GMT -8
Wayne Tinkle is gonna be the coach next year and there's nothing anybody can do about here except whine. The NCAA tournament appearances, the Pac12 title and the elite 8 run guarantee it. Stop fighting it and accept it. I have.
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Post by speakthetruth on Feb 27, 2023 17:45:08 GMT -8
I get it that we all want to see OSU win a lot of games. But if our budget ranks 10th in the Pac12 and we finish near the bottom in recruiting every year, that's like a math equation where you put the numbers into calculator and hit the equal sign. Why is it so hard for some people to understand this? Do they think that the OSU MBB head coach is just supposed to outcoach and outscheme all the other teams? Well I have a question for you. Your question was whether the coach is supposed to outcoach and outscheme all the other teams. First of all the answer is yes. But second If tinkle outcoached and outschemed the other coaches in the ncaa tournament a couple years ago why can't he do the same with less talented opponents in the pac12? There must be somebody out there with an answer. |
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Post by beaverology on Feb 27, 2023 18:22:50 GMT -8
Find a team that was picked to finish last in the preseason, then went to the elite 8, then do your research and get back to me. We were one of the greatest Cinderellas in NCAA tournament history. We weren't Duke or UNC who fell on their face the following year. You're changing the subject. Yes, it was a great run off of a team picked to finished last. But, WT failed to capitalize on the momentum and whiffed on most of the transfers brought in last year. That in turn led to our best returning scorer leaving to go to Nevada. It also led to another player (Rand), that was not part of the problem and had potential, leaving because of PTSD from the culture that he had to play in. Winning 3 games in the entire season after you took a team to the elite 8 is a historic meltdown for any power 5 program. Nobody is saying we are DUKE or UNC. Really wants to talk about last year. Will discuss last season in great detail for hours! |
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Post by beaverology on Feb 27, 2023 18:26:08 GMT -8
It sucked. Everyone acknowledges it sucked, including Tinkle. The program has taken steps to correct what went wrong last season. Also, while I don't disagree that having Rand would be helpful, I saw numerous instances of him last year not playing sound defense and just leaving his guy to try and get a blocked shot. He may not have been "part of the problem" in the locker room, but I can't say his play was stellar either. I just thought Rand had "potential", but yes, there were many times when he was out of position on defense. Again, Smalls only really wants to talk about last year. etc, etc. |
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Post by beaverology on Feb 27, 2023 18:30:51 GMT -8
Smalls: "I definitely hope the Freshmen core stays in tact. I like the potential and the effort of the group.
I think if this year's results happened last year, you wouldn't hear near the amount of grumbling that you do now. If we had come back to down to earth and won 10-12 games last year, but the team showed potential, people would be more patient. The problem is that many posters are having a hard time getting over that 3 win season last year."
Again, wants to talk about last year.
Treasurevalley: "I thought Judge Smails articulated it best by acknowledging this season would have seemed easier to take w/ the promising freshman if Tinkle didn't shoot himself in the foot (several times) by having the worst season in history right after the amazing elite 8 run. I think I'm being VERY "objective" that back to back 20 loss seasons are not good after going to the elite 8. Even YOU literally just said that nobody thinks this is ok and nobody thinks its a success. So how is it a fantasy to fire a coach based on what you just described lol? (And I didn't even address firing him at all. Just pointing out what a colossal failure he was when it should have been a season to really build on for the future to keep the momentum going)."
Always about last year. That's where their passion is.
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 27, 2023 18:48:27 GMT -8
Smalls: "I definitely hope the Freshmen core stays in tact. I like the potential and the effort of the group. I think if this year's results happened last year, you wouldn't hear near the amount of grumbling that you do now. If we had come back to down to earth and won 10-12 games last year, but the team showed potential, people would be more patient. The problem is that many posters are having a hard time getting over that 3 win season last year." Again, wants to talk about last year. Treasurevalley: "I thought Judge Smails articulated it best by acknowledging this season would have seemed easier to take w/ the promising freshman if Tinkle didn't shoot himself in the foot (several times) by having the worst season in history right after the amazing elite 8 run. I think I'm being VERY "objective" that back to back 20 loss seasons are not good after going to the elite 8. Even YOU literally just said that nobody thinks this is ok and nobody thinks its a success. So how is it a fantasy to fire a coach based on what you just described lol? (And I didn't even address firing him at all. Just pointing out what a colossal failure he was when it should have been a season to really build on for the future to keep the momentum going)." Always about last year. That's where their passion is. Man, you are a blowhard. I’ve been fairly supportive of WT. I was just explaining why a lot of people are not. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Feb 27, 2023 18:54:01 GMT -8
Well I have a question for you. Your question was whether the coach is supposed to outcoach and outscheme all the other teams. First of all the answer is yes. But second If tinkle outcoached and outschemed the other coaches in the ncaa tournament a couple years ago why can't he do the same with less talented opponents in the pac12? There must be somebody out there with an answer. I guess the person (beaverology) criticizing others for their comments cant answer a simple question but maybe not a simple answer. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 27, 2023 18:58:48 GMT -8
ee only shows up when we lose. Which, I will admit, has been too frequent in the last two seasons, even with our improvement this season. Liar No! He’s right! The losing has been too frequent. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 27, 2023 19:30:09 GMT -8
Wayne Tinkle is gonna be the coach next year and there's nothing anybody can do about here except whine. The NCAA tournament appearances, the Pac12 title and the elite 8 run guarantee it. Stop fighting it and accept it. I have. Bobby Knight likes this post. |
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Post by beaver94 on Feb 27, 2023 19:32:18 GMT -8
Well I have a question for you. Your question was whether the coach is supposed to outcoach and outscheme all the other teams. First of all the answer is yes. But second If tinkle outcoached and outschemed the other coaches in the ncaa tournament a couple years ago why can't he do the same with less talented opponents in the pac12? There must be somebody out there with an answer. Didn’t he accomplish that on the way to the elite 8 when they won the PAC-12 tournament? |
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Feb 27, 2023 19:36:05 GMT -8
Smalls: "I definitely hope the Freshmen core stays in tact. I like the potential and the effort of the group. I think if this year's results happened last year, you wouldn't hear near the amount of grumbling that you do now. If we had come back to down to earth and won 10-12 games last year, but the team showed potential, people would be more patient. The problem is that many posters are having a hard time getting over that 3 win season last year." Again, wants to talk about last year. Treasurevalley: "I thought Judge Smails articulated it best by acknowledging this season would have seemed easier to take w/ the promising freshman if Tinkle didn't shoot himself in the foot (several times) by having the worst season in history right after the amazing elite 8 run. I think I'm being VERY "objective" that back to back 20 loss seasons are not good after going to the elite 8. Even YOU literally just said that nobody thinks this is ok and nobody thinks its a success. So how is it a fantasy to fire a coach based on what you just described lol? (And I didn't even address firing him at all. Just pointing out what a colossal failure he was when it should have been a season to really build on for the future to keep the momentum going)." Always about last year. That's where their passion is. You act like the program isn’t still affected by that free fall in 2022. But then again, you’ve made a lot of excuses for that disaster. Why, I honestly don’t know. If you had the inside scoop of what all went on, you wouldn’t be so quick to sweep it under the rug. You really think the worst season in our history isn’t a big deal? |
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Post by beaverology on Feb 27, 2023 19:49:12 GMT -8
"You act like the program isn’t still affected by that free fall in 2022. But then again, you’ve made a lot of excuses for that disaster. Why, I honestly don’t know. If you had the inside scoop of what all went on, you wouldn’t be so quick to sweep it under the rug. You really think the worst season in our history isn’t a big deal?"
Doesn't want the conversation about last year to end. What impact did it have on this team? This team was in high school last year. Move on.
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Feb 27, 2023 19:52:38 GMT -8
"You act like the program isn’t still affected by that free fall in 2022. But then again, you’ve made a lot of excuses for that disaster. Why, I honestly don’t know. If you had the inside scoop of what all went on, you wouldn’t be so quick to sweep it under the rug. You really think the worst season in our history isn’t a big deal?" Doesn't want the conversation about last year to end. What impact did it have on this team? This team was in high school last year. Move on. Nah, you aren’t sweeping anything under the rug. Thanks for proving me wrong lol. |
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Post by beaver94 on Feb 27, 2023 19:57:35 GMT -8
"You act like the program isn’t still affected by that free fall in 2022. But then again, you’ve made a lot of excuses for that disaster. Why, I honestly don’t know. If you had the inside scoop of what all went on, you wouldn’t be so quick to sweep it under the rug. You really think the worst season in our history isn’t a big deal?" Doesn't want the conversation about last year to end. What impact did it have on this team? This team was in high school last year. Move on. There would have been a couple guys from that team that would have not required this team to relay so heavily on so many freshmen. I hope they all stick around and I’m excited to see their future, but last year definitely has an impact on this years team. |
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Feb 27, 2023 20:04:13 GMT -8
"You act like the program isn’t still affected by that free fall in 2022. But then again, you’ve made a lot of excuses for that disaster. Why, I honestly don’t know. If you had the inside scoop of what all went on, you wouldn’t be so quick to sweep it under the rug. You really think the worst season in our history isn’t a big deal?" Doesn't want the conversation about last year to end. What impact did it have on this team? This team was in high school last year. Move on. There would have been a couple guys from that team that would have not required this team to relay so heavily on so many freshmen. I hope they all stick around and I’m excited to see their future, but last year definitely has an impact on this years team. That is the kind of sensible responses I like to see on here. |
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