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Post by beaverology on Feb 26, 2023 20:28:32 GMT -8
I get it that we all want to see OSU win a lot of games. But if our budget ranks 10th in the Pac12 and we finish near the bottom in recruiting every year, that's like a math equation where you put the numbers into calculator and hit the equal sign. Why is it so hard for some people to understand this? Do they think that the OSU MBB head coach is just supposed to outcoach and outscheme all the other teams?
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Post by irimi on Feb 26, 2023 20:43:40 GMT -8
I get it that we all want to see OSU win a lot of games. But if our budget ranks 10th in the Pac12 and we finish near the bottom in recruiting every year, that's like a math equation where you put the numbers into calculator and hit the equal sign. Why is it so hard for some people to understand this? Do they think that the OSU MBB head coach is just supposed to outcoach and outscheme all the other teams? I think the question becomes how can we break this pattern if not through the head coach’s schemes and coaching? We can’t recruit great players because we finish poorly. We don’t have the money to pay more because the interest in a losing team is not strong. So I think folks want a coach who can perform miracles, and they overlook the fact that if the Beavs had not imploded last year, we could very well have been getting better athletes, seeing more interest, and getting more money. We came damn close. |
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Post by beaverology on Feb 26, 2023 20:48:38 GMT -8
The kicker to this reality is NIL. I donate to both DamN and GK collectives. I'm happy to do it. But I see other programs like Colorado and WSU paying recruits to commit to their school, and it's working for them. OSU is not doing that. So where does that leave the Beavs? I'll give you one guess. Yep.
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 26, 2023 20:52:19 GMT -8
I have had it with moral victories and wait til next year. We should expect more and demand more. An 11th place finish IS NOT ok. It is NEVER ok. Thankfully Cal really sucks. Maybe the athletic department should have a parade through the campus celebrating the "achievement". Have you been asleep the last 40 years with regards to MBB? Reading your comments, you'd think we had an elite MBB team and just recently, the bottom's fallen out. Look at what ever metric you want, recruiting, budget/money spent, facilities, university location, win/loss records, NCAA wins, etc. I don't understand what you think you've been watching for the last 40 years w OSU MBB. We've had 1 player selected in the NBA draft since 1998. In 2021, we won our first NCAA tournament game in 40 years. From 1991 thru 2013, we had 2 winning seasons. I don't like repeating this stuff, but I think some people are in denial. 39 years actually, but close enough. The facility fallacy is just that. But yeah, we’ve sucked for a long time. Having said that, I don’t get why the accepted attitude should be that it’s ok to continue sucking. However, this is an old topic here. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 26, 2023 21:23:22 GMT -8
Have you been asleep the last 40 years with regards to MBB? Reading your comments, you'd think we had an elite MBB team and just recently, the bottom's fallen out. Look at what ever metric you want, recruiting, budget/money spent, facilities, university location, win/loss records, NCAA wins, etc. I don't understand what you think you've been watching for the last 40 years w OSU MBB. We've had 1 player selected in the NBA draft since 1998. In 2021, we won our first NCAA tournament game in 40 years. From 1991 thru 2013, we had 2 winning seasons. I don't like repeating this stuff, but I think some people are in denial. 39 years actually, but close enough. The facility fallacy is just that. But yeah, we’ve sucked for a long time. Having said that, I don’t get why the accepted attitude should be that it’s ok to continue sucking. However, this is an old topic here. I'd be curious about the "facility falacy" and just where it actually stands. There's been a bit of an arms race and just because a team threw money at something a couple years back doesn't mean others haven't spent a pile of money more recently. I saw a discussion the other day saying OSU is one of the few Power 5 schools that doesn't have a dedicated football weightroom and supposedly all of the sports share the same weightroom. Of course that turned into an argument of people claiming everyone else was wrong, so I don't really know what the actual status is. I know Gill got a nice new scoreboard a few years back, how do the present basketball locker rooms compare to those of other schools? I'd question the thinking that first impressions have no affect on recruiting. |
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Post by ee1990 on Feb 26, 2023 21:56:18 GMT -8
ee only shows up when we lose. Which, I will admit, has been too frequent in the last two seasons, even with our improvement this season. Liar |
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Feb 27, 2023 1:06:36 GMT -8
39 years actually, but close enough. The facility fallacy is just that. But yeah, we’ve sucked for a long time. Having said that, I don’t get why the accepted attitude should be that it’s ok to continue sucking. However, this is an old topic here. I'd be curious about the "facility falacy" and just where it actually stands. There's been a bit of an arms race and just because a team threw money at something a couple years back doesn't mean others haven't spent a pile of money more recently. I saw a discussion the other day saying OSU is one of the few Power 5 schools that doesn't have a dedicated football weightroom and supposedly all of the sports share the same weightroom. Of course that turned into an argument of people claiming everyone else was wrong, so I don't really know what the actual status is. I know Gill got a nice new scoreboard a few years back, how do the present basketball locker rooms compare to those of other schools? I'd question the thinking that first impressions have no affect on recruiting. The basketball locker room was redone fairly recently I believe. That game a few years back where ESPN highlighted the halftime meetings/adjustments against Colorado you got to see part of the meeting/locker room in Gill. Otherwise the practice facility is nice and most everything other than Gill itself has been updated enough to be competitive with our peers. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Feb 27, 2023 6:47:45 GMT -8
I get it that we all want to see OSU win a lot of games. But if our budget ranks 10th in the Pac12 and we finish near the bottom in recruiting every year, that's like a math equation where you put the numbers into calculator and hit the equal sign. Why is it so hard for some people to understand this? Do they think that the OSU MBB head coach is just supposed to outcoach and outscheme all the other teams? Well I have a question for you. Your question was whether the coach is supposed to outcoach and outscheme all the other teams. First of all the answer is yes. But second If tinkle outcoached and outschemed the other coaches in the ncaa tournament a couple years ago why can't he do the same with less talented opponents in the pac12? |
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Feb 27, 2023 10:04:45 GMT -8
Tinkle may have been able to keep us at a better level after the elite 8 run consistently......but totally crapped the bed the next season. One of the most improbable implosions in college basketball history. Unless anyone else can find another school who went from the elite 8 to almost losing every single game the following season. Somehow it turned into a major rebuilding project as if there was some sort of scandal w/ sanctions and stuff like which normally causes such a dramatic historic drop. I mean we're going to lose 20 games and some feel like its a success. And this is just two years removed from that amazing tourney run. Its really amazing when you think about it.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 27, 2023 11:01:40 GMT -8
39 years actually, but close enough. The facility fallacy is just that. But yeah, we’ve sucked for a long time. Having said that, I don’t get why the accepted attitude should be that it’s ok to continue sucking. However, this is an old topic here. I'd be curious about the "facility falacy" and just where it actually stands. There's been a bit of an arms race and just because a team threw money at something a couple years back doesn't mean others haven't spent a pile of money more recently. I saw a discussion the other day saying OSU is one of the few Power 5 schools that doesn't have a dedicated football weightroom and supposedly all of the sports share the same weightroom. Of course that turned into an argument of people claiming everyone else was wrong, so I don't really know what the actual status is. I know Gill got a nice new scoreboard a few years back, how do the present basketball locker rooms compare to those of other schools? I'd question the thinking that first impressions have no affect on recruiting. Yes, teams share the Valley weight-training facility. Football gets top priority. They get it whenever they want. Other programs work around it, which is one reason the new CF baseball facility will have its own weight room. So in reality football does have a dedicated weight-training facility. |
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Post by beaverology on Feb 27, 2023 13:37:19 GMT -8
Tinkle may have been able to keep us at a better level after the elite 8 run consistently......but totally crapped the bed the next season. One of the most improbable implosions in college basketball history. Unless anyone else can find another school who went from the elite 8 to almost losing every single game the following season. Somehow it turned into a major rebuilding project as if there was some sort of scandal w/ sanctions and stuff like which normally causes such a dramatic historic drop. I mean we're going to lose 20 games and some feel like its a success. And this is just two years removed from that amazing tourney run. Its really amazing when you think about it. A team that went to the elite 8 had a really bad season the following year is one of the most improbable implosions in college basketball history? We lost our best player Ethan and we lost Zach, plus Andela was lost for the year. Maybe if we were Duke, UCLA or Kansas, you could say that, but saying that about OSU sounds like you don't understand how bad we've been for the last 40 years. Again, I hate repeating this, but some people just can't accept reality. We never shouda been picked 4th in the Pac12 preseason media, but that's a different story. |
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Post by qbeaver on Feb 27, 2023 13:52:35 GMT -8
Not amazing in today's climate at all. You lose two team leaders,then you can't leave campus during covid to recruit. We haven't consistently been good for almost 40 years. I truly believe if Gary Payton I hadn't had his scholarship pulled by St.Johns,we wouldn't have made the tournament in the late 1980's.
When you dont invest in hiring a quality coach the last 6-7 hires,how can we expect to consistently win? Who have we hired in the three major sports who has won consistently over their career besides Pat Casey? No one I can think of. Invest from the get go on a head coach and staff($) and you have a chance. To an 18 year old,Gill Coliseum is a dump. To a lot of us who have seen big success in Gill under Ralph,it has great memories. The problem is,osu isn't recruiting many 50+ Year old basketball recruits.
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 27, 2023 13:54:01 GMT -8
Tinkle may have been able to keep us at a better level after the elite 8 run consistently......but totally crapped the bed the next season. One of the most improbable implosions in college basketball history. Unless anyone else can find another school who went from the elite 8 to almost losing every single game the following season. Somehow it turned into a major rebuilding project as if there was some sort of scandal w/ sanctions and stuff like which normally causes such a dramatic historic drop. I mean we're going to lose 20 games and some feel like its a success. And this is just two years removed from that amazing tourney run. Its really amazing when you think about it. A team that went to the elite 8 had a really bad season the following year is one of the most improbable implosions in college basketball history? We lost our best player Ethan and we lost Zach, plus Andela was lost for the year. Maybe if we were Duke, UCLA or Kansas, you could say that, but saying that about OSU sounds like you don't understand how bad we've been for the last 40 years. Again, I hate repeating this, but some people just can't accept reality. We never shouda been picked 4th in the Pac12 preseason media, but that's a different story. Going from an Elite 8 to winning 3 games the next year is very improbable. That is one of the worst seasons by a power conference team in history. As in, I'm not sure it's ever happened. |
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Post by beaverology on Feb 27, 2023 14:00:21 GMT -8
Find a team that was picked to finish last in the preseason, then went to the elite 8, then do your research and get back to me. We were one of the greatest Cinderellas in NCAA tournament history. We weren't Duke or UNC who fell on their face the following year.
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 27, 2023 14:11:09 GMT -8
Find a team that was picked to finish last in the preseason, then went to the elite 8, then do your research and get back to me. We were one of the greatest Cinderellas in NCAA tournament history. We weren't Duke or UNC who fell on their face the following year. You're changing the subject. Yes, it was a great run off of a team picked to finished last. But, WT failed to capitalize on the momentum and whiffed on most of the transfers brought in last year. That in turn led to our best returning scorer leaving to go to Nevada. It also led to another player (Rand), that was not part of the problem and had potential, leaving because of PTSD from the culture that he had to play in. Winning 3 games in the entire season after you took a team to the elite 8 is a historic meltdown for any power 5 program. Nobody is saying we are DUKE or UNC. |
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