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Post by speakthetruth on Feb 28, 2023 17:12:46 GMT -8
Because the other Pac12 teams have a talent advantage against us. That's obvious. In the 2021 Pac12T and NCAAT, the Beaver team had enough high level talent to compete head to head with UCLA, UO, CU, Tennessee, Oklahoma St, Loyola and Houston. Plus, many of the Beaver players saved their best performances when it counted, and it was beautiful. Solid coaching/scheming with talent + big game heroics by OSU = Pac12 Championship + NCAA Elite 8. It was the greatest OSU MBB season of your lifetime. I'd argue the Elite 8 trip was due to coaching and scheming WAY more than talent, at least individual talent. Ethan was the most talented kid on the team. We ran into more talented teams much of the season, it's why the Beavs were picked last, but the coaches had them playing great D and playing together on offense that last third to half of the season. This is what I just don't understand. If the elite 8 trip was due to coaching and scheming why in the hell is he only winning 35% of the pac12 games over 9 years. I'd say it was a combination of players getting hot and some teams overlooking the beavs. If it was coaching seems the overall pac12 league record would be alot better or did coaching only get hot for a few weeks that year? |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 28, 2023 17:41:10 GMT -8
Nobody overlooks anyone in the NCAA tournament. Certainly Okie State and Loyola didn't after we eliminated Tennessee.
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Post by beaverology on Feb 28, 2023 17:51:29 GMT -8
No way teams were overlooking OSU. We had just run the table on UCLA, UO and CU. Alatishe, the Pac12T MVP, was on everybody's radar screen. Calloo, Roman Silva, Zach, that team was balanced and could score from anywhere. People knew what they were facing, and it was awesome. WT and his staff called one great game after another.
Who remembers Alatishe checking Cade Cunningham's jump shots straight up? It was impressive defense.
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Post by speakthetruth on Feb 28, 2023 17:54:24 GMT -8
Ok case solved. the answer is coaching got hot for a few weeks. Too bad it isn't consistent.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 28, 2023 18:14:34 GMT -8
I'd argue the Elite 8 trip was due to coaching and scheming WAY more than talent, at least individual talent. Ethan was the most talented kid on the team. We ran into more talented teams much of the season, it's why the Beavs were picked last, but the coaches had them playing great D and playing together on offense that last third to half of the season. This is what I just don't understand. If the elite 8 trip was due to coaching and scheming why in the hell is he only winning 35% of the pac12 games over 9 years. I'd say it was a combination of players getting hot and some teams overlooking the beavs. If it was coaching seems the overall pac12 league record would be alot better or did coaching only get hot for a few weeks that year? Tinkle inherited almost nothing. Literally. 6 or 7 scholarship players and the top scorer averaged 4.0 points a game under the previous coach. He took them and a bunch of walkons to 17 wins then the tournament the next year. He inherited a team that had only 3 winning seasons in 24, and that includes the out of league games. His 35% league win percentage is HEAVILY influenced by 2 very bad years. The first was going to happen because he was hired after recruiting season and had only 1 class and no scholarship contributors from the previous regime. The 2nd was of his own making, but the circumstances were odd. His previous year overachieved, that year underachieved. Oh well. This year is obviously improved and the kids that were brought in look as though they have the potential to be better down the line than possibly any group weve had in 30 some odd years. Look up the definition for "critical thinking" and you will see it's not about being critical, it's not about looking at the obvious results, it's about looking at the "why" those results occurred. There's an obvious why about year #3, he inherited nothing, only had one recruiting class with playing experience. The reason behind last year is more of a mystery, but bad attitudes by some players have been well documented, and they are gone now. This year it's obviously a VERY young team and they are not successful but are managing to hang with some pretty talented teams. The "got hot and everyone overlooked them argument" for their tourney year is hard to buy. You're talking 10 teams in 12 games or so, several of them ranked, just rolled over to the team picked to be the worst team in the league and possibly the Power 5. I personally think Tinkle has done an admirable coaching job in 7 of his 9 years given the circumstances. I might even include that 3rd year just because despite injuries and inexperience the kids stuck with it and actually had a .500 year the next season. Last year was a flop all around, not just in game results but in team discipline, if that were to continue he should be gone. This year was obviously going to be a hard knocks year, but the kids are playing hard and improving. That's what will give him another year. |
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Post by beaverology on Feb 28, 2023 18:24:45 GMT -8
If you look at the coaching history since Ralph, it's been the same pattern of hiring the next guy who comes in, lasts about 5 or 6 years, and gets fired. This pattern has repeated itself over and over. We've all seen it. It's broken. I think Barnes wants to break the cycle. He has a good coach in WT, the coach is paid until 2027. Why rush it? Barnes is comfortable staying with it another 2 years. Would you be excited about hiring the next OSU MBB if you were Barnes? Look at the history.
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 2, 2023 20:07:20 GMT -8
If you look at the coaching history since Ralph, it's been the same pattern of hiring the next guy who comes in, lasts about 5 or 6 years, and gets fired. This pattern has repeated itself over and over. We've all seen it. It's broken. I think Barnes wants to break the cycle. He has a good coach in WT, the coach is paid until 2027. Why rush it? Barnes is comfortable staying with it another 2 years. Would you be excited about hiring the next OSU MBB if you were Barnes? Look at the history. ”Barnes is comfortable staying with it another 2 years.” How in the hell do you know? |
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