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Post by beaverology on Feb 27, 2023 20:15:33 GMT -8
They're gone. They've been gone for a while. People move on. Most here are comfortable talking about the present and the future of OSU MBB. Some still aren't ready. Take your time.
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Feb 27, 2023 20:27:25 GMT -8
They're gone. They've been gone for a while. People move on. Most here are comfortable talking about the present and the future of OSU MBB. Some still aren't ready. Take your time. You’re right. Last year was a long time ago. Clearly too long ago to have any relevance. By the way, most of us can actually deal w both this year and last year……And still look to the future. It doesn’t have to be all or nothing. |
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Post by beaverology on Feb 27, 2023 20:30:44 GMT -8
They're gone. They've been gone for a while. People move on. Most here are comfortable talking about the present and the future of OSU MBB. Some still aren't ready. Take your time. You’re right. Last year was a long time ago. Clearly too long ago to have any relevance. By the way, most of us can actually deal w both this year and last year……And still look to the future. It doesn’t have to be all or nothing. What are you gonna say that you haven't already said 20x? 50x? Go on, let's see you type it out. "Yes, the 2021 accomplishments were nice and the current team has some intriguing talent, but what I really want to talk about is last year....." |
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Feb 27, 2023 20:51:50 GMT -8
Seriously just stop. We all know who is known for repeating the same things and trying to stop all talk he doesn’t like. Your accusations to Judge Smails were embarrassing
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 27, 2023 21:34:03 GMT -8
You’re right. Last year was a long time ago. Clearly too long ago to have any relevance. By the way, most of us can actually deal w both this year and last year……And still look to the future. It doesn’t have to be all or nothing. What are you gonna say that you haven't already said 20x? 50x? Go on, let's see you type it out. "Yes, the 2021 accomplishments were nice and the current team has some intriguing talent, but what I really want to talk about is last year....." Pot? Meet kettle. Seems like 1/2 of your lifetime posts are not only the same, but in this thread! |
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Post by beaverology on Feb 28, 2023 12:41:26 GMT -8
Well I have a question for you. Your question was whether the coach is supposed to outcoach and outscheme all the other teams. First of all the answer is yes. But second If tinkle outcoached and outschemed the other coaches in the ncaa tournament a couple years ago why can't he do the same with less talented opponents in the pac12? There must be somebody out there with an answer. Because the other Pac12 teams have a talent advantage against us. That's obvious. In the 2021 Pac12T and NCAAT, the Beaver team had enough high level talent to compete head to head with UCLA, UO, CU, Tennessee, Oklahoma St, Loyola and Houston. Plus, many of the Beaver players saved their best performances when it counted, and it was beautiful. Solid coaching/scheming with talent + big game heroics by OSU = Pac12 Championship + NCAA Elite 8. It was the greatest OSU MBB season of your lifetime. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Feb 28, 2023 14:25:13 GMT -8
There must be somebody out there with an answer. Because the other Pac12 teams have a talent advantage against us. That's obvious. In the 2021 Pac12T and NCAAT, the Beaver team had enough high level talent to compete head to head with UCLA, UO, CU, Tennessee, Oklahoma St, Loyola and Houston. Plus, many of the Beaver players saved their best performances when it counted, and it was beautiful. Solid coaching/scheming with talent + big game heroics by OSU = Pac12 Championship + NCAA Elite 8. It was the greatest OSU MBB season of your lifetime. My lifetime? Nope. Try the 1963 season where the beavs made the final four. Just curious do you think the 21 team could compete with any of the late 70s or early 80s teams? |
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Post by qbeaver on Feb 28, 2023 14:44:41 GMT -8
Because the other Pac12 teams have a talent advantage against us. That's obvious. In the 2021 Pac12T and NCAAT, the Beaver team had enough high level talent to compete head to head with UCLA, UO, CU, Tennessee, Oklahoma St, Loyola and Houston. Plus, many of the Beaver players saved their best performances when it counted, and it was beautiful. Solid coaching/scheming with talent + big game heroics by OSU = Pac12 Championship + NCAA Elite 8. It was the greatest OSU MBB season of your lifetime. My lifetime? Nope. Try the 1963 season where the beavs made the final four. Just curious do you think the 21 team could compete with any of the late 70s or early 80s teams? In the tournament ...yes. I watched every one of those painful losses in the first round. Ralph was not a good tournament coach. Lamar,K-State,Notre Dame, West Virginia,Georgetown,Fresno state(NIT,was there) Evansville,etc. Loved those teams during the regular season. The tournament broke my heart. Still have some of those games on DVD and have never watched them. My dad saw all of those teams,including the Pete Maravich team in 1967 and was at the 1955 game against USF versus Bill Russell and K.C. Jones. That 1963 team had Terry Baker and Mel Counts,and I believe Steve Pauly was on that team. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 28, 2023 14:52:04 GMT -8
Because the other Pac12 teams have a talent advantage against us. That's obvious. In the 2021 Pac12T and NCAAT, the Beaver team had enough high level talent to compete head to head with UCLA, UO, CU, Tennessee, Oklahoma St, Loyola and Houston. Plus, many of the Beaver players saved their best performances when it counted, and it was beautiful. Solid coaching/scheming with talent + big game heroics by OSU = Pac12 Championship + NCAA Elite 8. It was the greatest OSU MBB season of your lifetime. My lifetime? Nope. Try the 1963 season where the beavs made the final four. Just curious do you think the 21 team could compete with any of the late 70s or early 80s teams? This falls into a similar argument as when people try to determine one GOAT in a sport over different eras. No way to know. Different rules (shot clock, three point line), different officiating (much more physical back then). No way to tell. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Feb 28, 2023 14:54:29 GMT -8
The 82 team made the elite 8. Unfortunately they met up with Georgetown. GT would have probably won it all if not for an errant pass in the last minute of the finals.
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Feb 28, 2023 15:04:45 GMT -8
The 82 team made the elite 8. Unfortunately they met up with Georgetown. GT would have probably won it all if not for an errant pass in the last minute of the finals. As a kid I actually knew Idaho's best player Kenny Owens (from the team we last beat in the NCAA tourney before the elite 8 run right before we got beat by G'town). He played at TVCC in Ontario where my dad taught. Best team the Chukars ever had. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 28, 2023 15:08:15 GMT -8
There must be somebody out there with an answer. Because the other Pac12 teams have a talent advantage against us. That's obvious. In the 2021 Pac12T and NCAAT, the Beaver team had enough high level talent to compete head to head with UCLA, UO, CU, Tennessee, Oklahoma St, Loyola and Houston. Plus, many of the Beaver players saved their best performances when it counted, and it was beautiful. Solid coaching/scheming with talent + big game heroics by OSU = Pac12 Championship + NCAA Elite 8. It was the greatest OSU MBB season of your lifetime. I'd argue the Elite 8 trip was due to coaching and scheming WAY more than talent, at least individual talent. Ethan was the most talented kid on the team. We ran into more talented teams much of the season, it's why the Beavs were picked last, but the coaches had them playing great D and playing together on offense that last third to half of the season. |
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Post by nabeav on Feb 28, 2023 15:31:25 GMT -8
I gotta laugh that we're talking about "high level talent" on a team that featured message board punching bag Zach Reichle as a key member of the starting lineup.
That team had "old" talent
Ethan was a 4 year starter
Reichle was a 4th year player
Silva was a 4th year player
Calloo and Alatishe were both in their 3rd years
Lucas and Hunt both played significant minutes as freshmen the year earlier
Andela was almost 21 years old
You had guys that were (for the most part) more mature, had been coached by Tinkle for several years. The combination of experienced players and coaching continuity is what allowed that team to thrive.
Something to watch maybe....Pope's stats are pretty similar to Ethan's as a freshman.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 28, 2023 15:32:59 GMT -8
Because the other Pac12 teams have a talent advantage against us. That's obvious. In the 2021 Pac12T and NCAAT, the Beaver team had enough high level talent to compete head to head with UCLA, UO, CU, Tennessee, Oklahoma St, Loyola and Houston. Plus, many of the Beaver players saved their best performances when it counted, and it was beautiful. Solid coaching/scheming with talent + big game heroics by OSU = Pac12 Championship + NCAA Elite 8. It was the greatest OSU MBB season of your lifetime. I'd argue the Elite 8 trip was due to coaching and scheming WAY more than talent, at least individual talent. Ethan was the most talented kid on the team. We ran into more talented teams much of the season, it's why the Beavs were picked last, but the coaches had them playing great D and playing together on offense that last third to half of the season. Last third is probably more accurate. Last third of games: Oregon State went 9-2 over the final third and 9-1 away from Gill, including nine straight. Last third of time: Oregon State went 10-3 over the final third and 9-1 away from Gill, including nine straight. Crazy to see how they won it, too. It was pretty much different every game. Oregon State won it with offense against UCLA but won it with defense against Loyola-Chicago. Oregon State rained threes down on UCLA, Colorado, and Oklahoma State but played much more of an inside game against Oregon, Tennessee, and Loyola-Chicago. Oregon State beat the other team in rebounding Oregon, Tennessee, and Oklahoma State, but got outrebounded in the other three. Lots of steals against UCLA. Lots of blocks against Tennessee and Oklahoma State. Entertaining. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 28, 2023 15:40:28 GMT -8
I gotta laugh that we're talking about "high level talent" on a team that featured message board punching bag Zach Reichle as a key member of the starting lineup. That team had "old" talent Ethan was a 4 year starter Reichle was a 4th year player Silva was a 4th year player Calloo and Alatishe were both in their 3rd years Lucas and Hunt both played significant minutes as freshmen the year earlier Andela was almost 21 years old You had guys that were (for the most part) more mature, had been coached by Tinkle for several years. The combination of experienced players and coaching continuity is what allowed that team to thrive. Something to watch maybe....Pope's stats are pretty similar to Ethan's as a freshman. Pope's stats are generally better than Ethan. However, Ethan's got to the line more, his defensive stats are better, and his hustle stats are almost all better. Pope is a much better shooter, who is better with the ball, and better at racking up steals. Ethan got to the line more, was better at rebounding, was a better passer, and had more blocks. Ethan bought in and became great, because he bought in. If we see the same growth out of Pope under Tinkle, Pope could be very, very special at the end of four years. |
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