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Post by nabeav on Feb 27, 2023 14:11:55 GMT -8
I was at the game Saturday night. Those who said the atmosphere was great are 100% right. It was a very good college basketball game. Both teams played hard and played well. In the end, we missed our last shot and they made theirs. The real difference in my opinion was N'Faly Dante. We didn't have anyone on the roster with the size to match him other than Ibekwe, and he didn't have the speed necessary to hang. Dante was awesome, and we didn't have an answer.
As for the people contending that this was a "moral victory" or there are people that are happy with the outcome....c'mon. Nobody has said that. They said they're encouraged by what they are seeing. I get that. The team plays hard, they play for each other. You can be happy with the progress and discouraged by the results.
It seems like everyone wants everyone else to pick a side: Either we suck or we're awesome and there's nothing wrong. Why? Why can't we be patient? I'm excited to see what this group can do with another year under their belts next year, but some people what to fire the coach, which would undoubtedly lead to more roster turnover than we'd otherwise see, and then we've got new guys implementing a new system again....which....is that going to be better than running it back with these guys? Maybe? Probably not?
If we get more games like Saturdays going forward, we're in for a treat. Just show up and see what happens.
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Post by nabeav on Feb 27, 2023 14:18:45 GMT -8
Find a team that was picked to finish last in the preseason, then went to the elite 8, then do your research and get back to me. We were one of the greatest Cinderellas in NCAA tournament history. We weren't Duke or UNC who fell on their face the following year. You're changing the subject. Yes, it was a great run off of a team picked to finished last. But, WT failed to capitalize on the momentum and whiffed on most of the transfers brought in last year. That in turn led to our best returning scorer leaving to go to Nevada. It also led to another player (Rand), that was not part of the problem and had potential, leaving because of PTSD from the culture that he had to play in. Winning 3 games in the entire season after you took a team to the elite 8 is a historic meltdown for any power 5 program. Nobody is saying we are DUKE or UNC. It sucked. Everyone acknowledges it sucked, including Tinkle. The program has taken steps to correct what went wrong last season. Also, while I don't disagree that having Rand would be helpful, I saw numerous instances of him last year not playing sound defense and just leaving his guy to try and get a blocked shot. He may not have been "part of the problem" in the locker room, but I can't say his play was stellar either. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 27, 2023 14:18:59 GMT -8
I was at the game Saturday night. Those who said the atmosphere was great are 100% right. It was a very good college basketball game. Both teams played hard and played well. In the end, we missed our last shot and they made theirs. The real difference in my opinion was N'Faly Dante. We didn't have anyone on the roster with the size to match him other than Ibekwe, and he didn't have the speed necessary to hang. Dante was awesome, and we didn't have an answer. As for the people contending that this was a "moral victory" or there are people that are happy with the outcome....c'mon. Nobody has said that. They said they're encouraged by what they are seeing. I get that. The team plays hard, they play for each other. You can be happy with the progress and discouraged by the results. It seems like everyone wants everyone else to pick a side: Either we suck or we're awesome and there's nothing wrong. Why? Why can't we be patient? I'm excited to see what this group can do with another year under their belts next year, but some people what to fire the coach, which would undoubtedly lead to more roster turnover than we'd otherwise see, and then we've got new guys implementing a new system again....which....is that going to be better than running it back with these guys? Maybe? Probably not? If we get more games like Saturdays going forward, we're in for a treat. Just show up and see what happens. I definitely hope the Freshmen core stays in tact. I like the potential and the effort of the group. I think if this year's results happened last year, you wouldn't hear near the amount of grumbling that you do now. If we had come back to down to earth and won 10-12 games last year, but the team showed potential, people would be more patient. The problem is that many posters are having a hard time getting over that 3 win season last year. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 27, 2023 14:20:18 GMT -8
You're changing the subject. Yes, it was a great run off of a team picked to finished last. But, WT failed to capitalize on the momentum and whiffed on most of the transfers brought in last year. That in turn led to our best returning scorer leaving to go to Nevada. It also led to another player (Rand), that was not part of the problem and had potential, leaving because of PTSD from the culture that he had to play in. Winning 3 games in the entire season after you took a team to the elite 8 is a historic meltdown for any power 5 program. Nobody is saying we are DUKE or UNC. It sucked. Everyone acknowledges it sucked, including Tinkle. The program has taken steps to correct what went wrong last season. Also, while I don't disagree that having Rand would be helpful, I saw numerous instances of him last year not playing sound defense and just leaving his guy to try and get a blocked shot. He may not have been "part of the problem" in the locker room, but I can't say his play was stellar either. I just thought Rand had "potential", but yes, there were many times when he was out of position on defense. |
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Post by nabeav on Feb 27, 2023 14:41:26 GMT -8
I loved watching Rand play. One of the most exciting players we've had in recent memory, but as a coach he would've driven me nuts.
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Feb 27, 2023 15:05:59 GMT -8
Find a team that was picked to finish last in the preseason, then went to the elite 8, then do your research and get back to me. We were one of the greatest Cinderellas in NCAA tournament history. We weren't Duke or UNC who fell on their face the following year. You're changing the subject. Yes, it was a great run off of a team picked to finished last. But, WT failed to capitalize on the momentum and whiffed on most of the transfers brought in last year. That in turn led to our best returning scorer leaving to go to Nevada. It also led to another player (Rand), that was not part of the problem and had potential, leaving because of PTSD from the culture that he had to play in. Winning 3 games in the entire season after you took a team to the elite 8 is a historic meltdown for any power 5 program. Nobody is saying we are DUKE or UNC. Rand and Lucas weren't the only ones who left because of what Tinkle allowed to go on during that awful season. I know that one left during the season and one other one stayed on that team but chose not to play anymore. The official story was an injury but the truth was he had had enough according to my source in the locker room. The lack of leadership was unbelievable to most who were there |
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Post by qbeaver on Feb 27, 2023 15:07:03 GMT -8
Rand was an explosive athlete...not sure how great he was as a basketball player. Certainly quick off the floor.
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 27, 2023 15:08:28 GMT -8
You're changing the subject. Yes, it was a great run off of a team picked to finished last. But, WT failed to capitalize on the momentum and whiffed on most of the transfers brought in last year. That in turn led to our best returning scorer leaving to go to Nevada. It also led to another player (Rand), that was not part of the problem and had potential, leaving because of PTSD from the culture that he had to play in. Winning 3 games in the entire season after you took a team to the elite 8 is a historic meltdown for any power 5 program. Nobody is saying we are DUKE or UNC. Rand and Lucas weren't the only ones who left because of what Tinkle allowed to go on during that awful season. I know that one left during the season and one other one stayed on that team but chose not to play anymore. The official story was an injury but the truth was he had had enough according to my source in the locker room. The lack of leadership was unbelievable to most who were there Yes, I know they weren't the only ones, just the two that I would have liked to see stay. Hunt wouldn't have given us much this year with the way Pope has played. |
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Feb 27, 2023 15:10:55 GMT -8
I was at the game Saturday night. Those who said the atmosphere was great are 100% right. It was a very good college basketball game. Both teams played hard and played well. In the end, we missed our last shot and they made theirs. The real difference in my opinion was N'Faly Dante. We didn't have anyone on the roster with the size to match him other than Ibekwe, and he didn't have the speed necessary to hang. Dante was awesome, and we didn't have an answer. As for the people contending that this was a "moral victory" or there are people that are happy with the outcome....c'mon. Nobody has said that. They said they're encouraged by what they are seeing. I get that. The team plays hard, they play for each other. You can be happy with the progress and discouraged by the results. It seems like everyone wants everyone else to pick a side: Either we suck or we're awesome and there's nothing wrong. Why? Why can't we be patient? I'm excited to see what this group can do with another year under their belts next year, but some people what to fire the coach, which would undoubtedly lead to more roster turnover than we'd otherwise see, and then we've got new guys implementing a new system again....which....is that going to be better than running it back with these guys? Maybe? Probably not? If we get more games like Saturdays going forward, we're in for a treat. Just show up and see what happens. I definitely hope the Freshmen core stays in tact. I like the potential and the effort of the group. I think if this year's results happened last year, you wouldn't hear near the amount of grumbling that you do now. If we had come back to down to earth and won 10-12 games last year, but the team showed potential, people would be more patient. The problem is that many posters are having a hard time getting over that 3 win season last year. YES. YOU NAILED IT EXACTLY IMHO |
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Feb 27, 2023 15:12:17 GMT -8
Rand and Lucas weren't the only ones who left because of what Tinkle allowed to go on during that awful season. I know that one left during the season and one other one stayed on that team but chose not to play anymore. The official story was an injury but the truth was he had had enough according to my source in the locker room. The lack of leadership was unbelievable to most who were there Yes, I know they weren't the only ones, just the two that I would have liked to see stay. Hunt wouldn't have given us much this year with the way Pope has played. Sorry, that wasn't intended to be directly toward you. You are definitely well informed of the many things that went on that year. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 27, 2023 15:48:53 GMT -8
You're changing the subject. Yes, it was a great run off of a team picked to finished last. But, WT failed to capitalize on the momentum and whiffed on most of the transfers brought in last year. That in turn led to our best returning scorer leaving to go to Nevada. It also led to another player (Rand), that was not part of the problem and had potential, leaving because of PTSD from the culture that he had to play in. Winning 3 games in the entire season after you took a team to the elite 8 is a historic meltdown for any power 5 program. Nobody is saying we are DUKE or UNC. Rand and Lucas weren't the only ones who left because of what Tinkle allowed to go on during that awful season. I know that one left during the season and one other one stayed on that team but chose not to play anymore. The official story was an injury but the truth was he had had enough according to my source in the locker room. The lack of leadership was unbelievable to most who were there My read of Tinkle is he is probably a "peacemaker" and might not be one who is likely to kick kids off the team during the season and will try to make due with what he's got and deal with the mess after the season. There are a couple different types of management styles and depending on who (player wise) you're dealing with either style could bite you in the butt in the wrong situations. Sort of the "player's coach" versus the coach that continuously cracks the whip. Either one can have successes, either can have failures. Last season was a real failure, it appears (to some of us anyways) the direction now is improved. I'm hoping it literally was a 1 year covid recruiting mess that caused last season. I'm assuming Silva not returning may have been influenced by how last season went, we could have used him this season. |
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Post by rafer on Feb 27, 2023 16:45:45 GMT -8
Tinkle may have been able to keep us at a better level after the elite 8 run consistently......but totally crapped the bed the next season. One of the most improbable implosions in college basketball history. Unless anyone else can find another school who went from the elite 8 to almost losing every single game the following season. Somehow it turned into a major rebuilding project as if there was some sort of scandal w/ sanctions and stuff like which normally causes such a dramatic historic drop. I mean we're going to lose 20 games and some feel like its a success. And this is just two years removed from that amazing tourney run. Its really amazing when you think about it. Bulls%#t, nobody thinks it's ok, no one thinks it's a success! It is what it is, to be trite. There are several promising FRESHMEN, a couple that will be stars perhaps. At least there is promise, or are you one that wants wt gone at any cost, and don't forget, many players would leave, just to fulfill your fantasies of firing the coach? There is promise, or you're not being objective, and wt will be back next year. Gonna be a long off season for ya with all that frustration. |
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Post by rafer on Feb 27, 2023 16:49:17 GMT -8
Please be sure to include PK's prrsonal bitch, Altman!! Buys 6 or 8 new players every year. The Beavs don't have unlimited $$$$ for pay for play "student athletes "! |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 27, 2023 17:14:42 GMT -8
Tinkle may have been able to keep us at a better level after the elite 8 run consistently......but totally crapped the bed the next season. One of the most improbable implosions in college basketball history. Unless anyone else can find another school who went from the elite 8 to almost losing every single game the following season. Somehow it turned into a major rebuilding project as if there was some sort of scandal w/ sanctions and stuff like which normally causes such a dramatic historic drop. I mean we're going to lose 20 games and some feel like its a success. And this is just two years removed from that amazing tourney run. Its really amazing when you think about it. Bulls%#t, nobody thinks it's ok, no one thinks it's a success! It is what it is, to be trite. There are several promising FRESHMEN, a couple that will be stars perhaps. At least there is promise, or are you one that wants wt gone at any cost, and don't forget, many players would leave, just to fulfill your fantasies of firing the coach? There is promise, or you're not being objective, and wt will be back next year. Gonna be a long off season for ya with all that frustration. I was on campus in the mid-70s when Johnson arrived and then Radford, Blume and others arrived. Granted the Beavers had a better season that year than this, but it was pretty darned easy to believe at the time that that group of Beavs were going to be much better in a couple of years. We don't have a Steve Johnson type at this point, but we've got good young kids at the other positions and it's not hard to believe this team is going to be much better in a couple years. If KC and the other bigs who arrive next year develop well, if even one of them develops into a reliable journeyman post this team could make some noise in conference (and beyond). Not saying this team will become the 79/80/81 Beavs reborn, but it potentially could become a pretty darned good team. |
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Feb 27, 2023 17:20:21 GMT -8
Tinkle may have been able to keep us at a better level after the elite 8 run consistently......but totally crapped the bed the next season. One of the most improbable implosions in college basketball history. Unless anyone else can find another school who went from the elite 8 to almost losing every single game the following season. Somehow it turned into a major rebuilding project as if there was some sort of scandal w/ sanctions and stuff like which normally causes such a dramatic historic drop. I mean we're going to lose 20 games and some feel like its a success. And this is just two years removed from that amazing tourney run. Its really amazing when you think about it. Bulls%#t, nobody thinks it's ok, no one thinks it's a success! It is what it is, to be trite. There are several promising FRESHMEN, a couple that will be stars perhaps. At least there is promise, or are you one that wants wt gone at any cost, and don't forget, many players would leave, just to fulfill your fantasies of firing the coach? There is promise, or you're not being objective, and wt will be back next year. Gonna be a long off season for ya with all that frustration. I thought Judge Smails articulated it best by acknowledging this season would have seemed easier to take w/ the promising freshman if Tinkle didn't shoot himself in the foot (several times) by having the worst season in history right after the amazing elite 8 run. I think I'm being VERY "objective" that back to back 20 loss seasons are not good after going to the elite 8. Even YOU literally just said that nobody thinks this is ok and nobody thinks its a success. So how is it a fantasy to fire a coach based on what you just described lol? (And I didn't even address firing him at all. Just pointing out what a colossal failure he was when it should have been a season to really build on for the future to keep the momentum going). To try to answer what I think you're asking me, I don't think he should be "gone at any cost." I think he created an enormous hole for him to have to dig out of by doing such a poor job in 2022. I feel its being "objective" to say by next year we should be talking about at least a winning season. Rafer, what do you consider is being "objective" for him to have to accomplish next year for him to keep earning that check? |
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