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Post by rmancarl on Feb 12, 2023 20:22:55 GMT -8
Huh, USC players keep looking back at their coach for plays. Wonder if their fans are complaining about Gotlieb wanting to be the PG for her team? Hey beaveragain, just wanted to say thanks for your many post with common sense. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 12, 2023 20:34:24 GMT -8
Goodman turned pro and never played another college game. She did not enter the transfer portal.
Corosdale did not enter the portal. She was a grad transfer.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 12, 2023 20:42:15 GMT -8
Yes, every program has to deal with the portal. I'm just not sure that it has hit most other programs with the same impact as it has Oregon State. The Beavers have lost Sasha Goforth (McDonald's All-American); Greta Kampschroeder (McDonald's AA); Taylor Jones (5-star recruit, No. 15 nationally, All-Pac-12); Kennedy Brown (McDonald's AA, No. 19 national recruit), Aleah Goodman (All-Pac-12, 20-21 AA honorable mention), Taya Corosdale (hon mention Pac-12). Not to mention Destiny Slocum, who was a grad transfer and would have played her final season at OSU in 20-21 had she stayed. She was a two-time all-Pac-12 and honorable mention AA while at OSU. The Beavers also lost Savannah Samuel and Jasmine Simmons since 20-21. Rueck has been able to bring in Ellie Mack, Emily Codding, Tea Adams, Jovana Subasic and now Bendu Yeaney and Shalexxus Aaron. Even though not all of the transfers out of OSU have played at a high level, Rueck has not been able to come close to matching the losses. The addition of Beers and Gardiner should help, but Rueck needs to be able to land some impact players through the portal moving forward. Let's breakdown the transfers out. Sasha Goforth has a serious medical issue that caused her to quit playing altogether. Aleah Goodman played her time and while she could have come back for a super senior year she entered the wnba draft and was drafted, it didn't work out but she has been hired by Kara Lawson at Duke. Destiny was a grad transfer who wanted to play for the first coach she committed to. Taya is another grad transfer, and I imagine the double of a Duke degree and playing on a team that Aleah is on staff at. I'm good with grad transfers since they fulfilled their commitment. Jaz went home to follow her dreams in another sport as a professional. Greta and Taylor transferred to be closer to home. Kennedy is a bit closer to home but I think she wasn't happy playing the 5 which is where we needed her. Savannah had potential but according to social media mom took exception to Rueck making the comment that Savannah's shot was a work in progress. I'm really not sure how it worked out for her. I do agree that we have been hit worse than a lot of teams but there are some that have been hit harder. Getting transfers has been difficult, I'm sure that the staff had been hitting the recruiting trail but recruiting and landing are two different things. Fortunately they are still doing well with high schoolers. I'm not sure but I have a feeling that we traded down by losing Katie and Brian for Jenny and Deven. |
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Post by beav74 on Feb 12, 2023 21:12:46 GMT -8
That has to be the reason we’re not doing as well. Katie having way more coaching experience before she came here and Brian having been an assistant at WSU!!!
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 12, 2023 21:23:15 GMT -8
Rueck did not pull Mannen in a few other recent games in which she did not play particularly well. Are we sure she's not hurt? I guess you aren't able to give Rueck any credit. Instead you just want to be a troll Please let us know what he should get credit for. |
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Post by skyrider on Feb 12, 2023 21:29:08 GMT -8
None of this is a reflection on the efforts the players are giving but what a "train wreck" this has become. Lets list a few things-(a) probably one of two best players(Gardiner) seemingly can not play very many minutes in a game. (b) it appears very likely that TVO has been playing hurt (c) the team flat out can not score any points at the end of games or in overtime (d) there are grade school teams that shoot a better 3 point percentage than this team. This whole issue around injuries and players who seemingly can only play a few minutes, would seem to indicate poor physical conditioning and probably an inadequate training staff and program. It is very difficult to not assume that once again we will be losing key players to the transfer portal. SR is here for several more years unless he decides to hang it up early. Hopefully somehow he will do a complete, thorough evaluation of the program with the aid of competent outside sources to make some attempt to "right the ship". Right now the trademarks of this program are (a) key players transferring out via the portal (b) injuries that seem to linger on and on (c) terrible shooting and (d)creatively learning how to lose game after game. Frankly speaking, the players deserve better coaching, conditioning, player development, better training and medical support. My position is that SR is not earning his significant salary. For the fans and OSU administration to ignore that fact is very harmful to the players and is just postponing and worsening the eventual restructuring that will have to come. All the talk about close finishes, moral victories, etc. only allows the denial of actuality to continue. So you must be attending their practices to know what is being worked on? Please enlighten us on what the coaches are doing if not working with the players. The coaching staff is teaching their players to miss 3 point shots? Or not letting them practice them? That must be it, it can't be streaking shooting. You surely must be able to shoot 3 point shots all day since you make it sound so easy. As for lingering injuries, it was announced quite a while ago that TVO has an injury that will be taken care of after the season. It is not serious and playing won't make it worse. What other ones are you referring to? In the last four years that have been an acl, torn hamstring, and acl. The lingering ones are a medical condition that eventually forced the player to stop playing and a player that had the same issues in high school and had continued to have those issues at her new school. How are you able to know about their medical treatment? In what way is it inadequate? What do you base your claims on? As far as transfers in the portal era most schools have had issues, well over 1000 players each year have used it and a lot of the players have decided to play closer to home. It was made worse by the difficulty to see family. It has hit us hard. I'm interested in who if anyone leaves this year. Ncaa is supposedly going back to a position of one free transfer and play right away the next one will require sitting out a year. How exactly is OSU and the coaches are harmful to the players? This is an asinine statement. If you are so against the program just don't waste your time watching their games. believeinbeavs,
Thank you for input. Always well thought out and expressed. I do disagree with your statement that "If you are so against the program just don't waste your time watching their games".
I am strongly in favor of OSU women's basketball. I believe that to ignore the reality of what is going on(the 4 year rapid descent to the bottom of the conference) is not the best type of support that is needed at this point.
You apparently disagree and I can understand that viewpoint as well.
Hopefully am I incorrect and you are "spot on" in your view that positive support is all that is needed to "right the ship".
The type of thing that is happening regularly that makes me question the direction the team is going in is when the Beavs basically have hardly any offensive producing talent SR chooses to play Gardiner only 8 minutes in a game (USC game)
Yes, I know it could be because of an injury. However how many of these type of incidents are we going to excuse SR for?
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Post by rmancarl on Feb 12, 2023 21:35:01 GMT -8
beav74, don't take offense to those comments. Jenny and Devin may turn out to be a major upgrade, but it's too early to know that. There hasn't been any signs yet of major recruiting wins, but Devin is young. She has time to show us she can excel in recruiting. Most of us on this board don't even know which positions each coach concentrates on, if any' for that matter. I would guess that Devin works with the bigs more that guards, and if that is true, we have to like the progress of both Raegan and Jelena. Brian and Katie both had some great strengths for the program. We just don't know much about Jenny and Devin as coaches because we haven't seen, or heard much yet. We all wish Devin the best and hope she goes on to be one of the best coaches Oregon State has ever had. Go Beavs!
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Post by grayman on Feb 12, 2023 21:41:00 GMT -8
Goodman turned pro and never played another college game. She did not enter the transfer portal. Corosdale did not enter the portal. She was a grad transfer. Yes, I am aware. I just added some grad transfers because the timeline I used was 2020-21 to now. Goodman could have played one more season as well. They left the program. That's what this is all really about, not the difference between grad transfers and portal transfers (and I did specify the difference when I mentioned Slocum). |
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Post by grayman on Feb 12, 2023 21:44:44 GMT -8
Yes, every program has to deal with the portal. I'm just not sure that it has hit most other programs with the same impact as it has Oregon State. The Beavers have lost Sasha Goforth (McDonald's All-American); Greta Kampschroeder (McDonald's AA); Taylor Jones (5-star recruit, No. 15 nationally, All-Pac-12); Kennedy Brown (McDonald's AA, No. 19 national recruit), Aleah Goodman (All-Pac-12, 20-21 AA honorable mention), Taya Corosdale (hon mention Pac-12). Not to mention Destiny Slocum, who was a grad transfer and would have played her final season at OSU in 20-21 had she stayed. She was a two-time all-Pac-12 and honorable mention AA while at OSU. The Beavers also lost Savannah Samuel and Jasmine Simmons since 20-21. Rueck has been able to bring in Ellie Mack, Emily Codding, Tea Adams, Jovana Subasic and now Bendu Yeaney and Shalexxus Aaron. Even though not all of the transfers out of OSU have played at a high level, Rueck has not been able to come close to matching the losses. The addition of Beers and Gardiner should help, but Rueck needs to be able to land some impact players through the portal moving forward. Let's breakdown the transfers out. Sasha Goforth has a serious medical issue that caused her to quit playing altogether. Aleah Goodman played her time and while she could have come back for a super senior year she entered the wnba draft and was drafted, it didn't work out but she has been hired by Kara Lawson at Duke. Destiny was a grad transfer who wanted to play for the first coach she committed to. Taya is another grad transfer, and I imagine the double of a Duke degree and playing on a team that Aleah is on staff at. I'm good with grad transfers since they fulfilled their commitment. Jaz went home to follow her dreams in another sport as a professional. Greta and Taylor transferred to be closer to home. Kennedy is a bit closer to home but I think she wasn't happy playing the 5 which is where we needed her. Savannah had potential but according to social media mom took exception to Rueck making the comment that Savannah's shot was a work in progress. I'm really not sure how it worked out for her. I do agree that we have been hit worse than a lot of teams but there are some that have been hit harder. Getting transfers has been difficult, I'm sure that the staff had been hitting the recruiting trail but recruiting and landing are two different things. Fortunately they are still doing well with high schoolers. I'm not sure but I have a feeling that we traded down by losing Katie and Brian for Jenny and Deven. Why they left is not relevant to the discussion. Nor, really, is the fact that a couple were grad transfers. It's the fact that they left OSU and the impact on the program. |
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Post by beaveragain on Feb 12, 2023 21:46:57 GMT -8
Goodman turned pro and never played another college game. She did not enter the transfer portal. Corosdale did not enter the portal. She was a grad transfer. Yes, I am aware. I just added some grad transfers because the timeline I used was 2020-21 to now. Goodman could have played one more season as well. They left the program. That's what this is all really about, not the difference between grad transfers and portal transfers (and I did specify the difference when I mentioned Slocum). Graduate transfers are going to leave no matter if they are players or not. Portal transfers are leaving because they are players. Really not the same thing. |
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Post by standerd on Feb 12, 2023 21:58:01 GMT -8
A quick question before I head off for sleep tonight; why, after we take a shot, does everyone turn and run to the opponents end of the court? I have not seen any other PAC12 team do that. Aren’t we supposed to try to secure an offensive rebound? Any insights explaining this phenomenon will be most appreciated. I think this might be a clue or symptom of something, but I’m not sure what it might be.
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Post by osu82 on Feb 12, 2023 22:10:48 GMT -8
A quick question before I head off for sleep tonight; why, after we take a shot, does everyone turn and run to the opponents end of the court? I have not seen any other PAC12 team do that. Aren’t we supposed to try to secure an offensive rebound? Any insights explaining this phenomenon will be most appreciated. I think this might be a clue or symptom of something, but I’m not sure what it might be. Good question. I’ve noticed the same and not just this game. What happened to “follow your shot” for one? |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 12, 2023 22:16:52 GMT -8
A quick question before I head off for sleep tonight; why, after we take a shot, does everyone turn and run to the opponents end of the court? I have not seen any other PAC12 team do that. Aren’t we supposed to try to secure an offensive rebound? Any insights explaining this phenomenon will be most appreciated. I think this might be a clue or symptom of something, but I’m not sure what it might be. A lot of teams do it and it drives me crazy. I wish they would at least have the post stay and try to get the offensive rebound. If we get burned by their post a could times then change up the play. I think that teams do it more now because the game has sped up in the last 20 years. A good example was Marie, she could really run the court and often burned the opponent. |
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Post by lotrader on Feb 12, 2023 22:30:41 GMT -8
Defense has come a long way since the start of the season. On the offensive side we need a "playmaker" or two. A Haley Jones, Destiny Littleton, Charlisse Leger-Walker, etc. Someone who can score or find an open player in the clutch. Was a very physical game today, and OSU players were tough. Lots to look forward to especially if everyone on the team comes back.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 12, 2023 22:39:22 GMT -8
Defense has come a long way since the start of the season. On the offensive side we need a "playmaker" or two. A Haley Jones, Destiny Littleton, Charlisse Leger-Walker, etc. Someone who can score or find an open player in the clutch. Was a very physical game today, and OSU players were tough. Lots to look forward to especially if everyone on the team comes back. I really like how tough this team is, for one, they are very strong. And not just one or two of them, they are all strong physically and mentally. There is a lot they could hang their heads about but I'm not seeing it. |
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